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Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4

PerfSeeker said:
I'm just amazed that Steve Jobs had to trash other companies to justify this blatant design flaw. I thought Apple was "genius" and "it all just works" or "Apple products are insanely great". Yeah right.:rolleyes:
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It was kind of a weak move that he had to go there, but if he simply came out and said 'many other phones have similar issues', the pundits would have said 'oh ya right Steve no one has complained before so must not be an issue.' He proved that other phones had the same issue. Point proved.
 
I haven't read Consumer Reports in years; they are no longer relevant. Car dealers laugh at their recommendations on car prices. I certainly would not follow their recommendations about whether to buy an iPhone....maybe a toaster or a blender.
 
iphone 4 won't reach my country before end of the year. I hope apple solve all issues if there is any. Moreover the iPad has not officially released yet and most of people who like iPad, they bought it from online stores. That indicates I have to wait for very long time before I can get the new iPhone :(
 
BobVB said:
Ha! if Apple had any integrity they wouldn't have shown us 'dropping bars' when the problem is dropping calls, they would have shown us the 3GS, and they would have shown us what 1 finger does on the iPhone 4.

Please, CR need prove nothing to Apple - Apple has set the 'honesty' bar so low everyone can step over their standard.
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Its about truth. CR is supposed to be a non-profit agency that dispassionately evaluates products for consumer benefit. That means that they should care about what is true. CR says that the antenna issue is real and that they proved it, Apple says it is way overblown, that all cell phones suffer from the same issues, and that the CR tests were improperly done.

There is an easy way to prove what is true, here, and that is to invite CR to participate in the tests, in a proper facility, using both their experts and Apple's. If Apple is telling the truth, they should not have an issue with this. If CR cares about the truth, neither should they.
 
tt92618 said:
Its about truth. CR is supposed to be a non-profit agency that dispassionately evaluates products for consumer benefit. That means that they should care about what is true. CR says that the antenna issue is real and that they proved it, Apple says it is way overblown, that all cell phones suffer from the same issues, and that the CR tests were improperly done.
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With the key feature being that Apple just blew smoke and didn't even bother to try and demonstrate what CR did. The ball is still in Apple's court - lets seem them do a 24 dBm drop of signal strength with a single finger in the normal holding area of any other cell phone. Until they do that CR need do nothing at all...

A chimp wouldn't have been fooled by that dog and pony show Apple put on.
 
LagunaSol said:
So please tell us how to fix the signal degradation you get with any number of other smartphones by employing similar grips?
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You can't. Laws of physics. What you can do is fix the issue that makes the iPhone perform worse than most of the other phones. Check out Anandtech.

You're either being willfully dense or you were just born that way. Either way, it don't see much point in continuing the discussion.
 
Apple needs to do a full out recall and swallow some losses.

Damn sure enough I will not buy an iphone 4, and I'm no hater I have 3 Apple PC's in the room I'm in right now, in my house. But selling broken equipment isn't cool.

I used to be die hard but after this disgrace, I'm not.

I hope they rectify this somehow.
 
Max(IT) said:
maybe in your parallel dimension ...
In the real world, Nexus One has less battery life than iPhone 3GS, as Anandtech proved a few days ago ...
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sorry, extremely wrong here.
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not wrong at all actually, the nexus one suffers from coverage issues in a lot of reviews because it's a tmobile phone. where i live and have great coverage from tmobile i get 2 days without any problem whatsoever. do your homework son.
 
BobVB said:
With the key feature being that Apple just blew smoke and didn't even bother to try and demonstrate what CR did. The ball is still in Apple's court - lets seem them do a 24 dBm drop of signal strength with a single finger in the normal holding area of any other cell phone. Until they do that CR need do nothing at all...

A chimp wouldn't have been fooled by that dog and pony show Apple put on.
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this is a very good point. none of these other phones will exhibit that behavior because well, frankly, even tho the iphone has many great qualities, for years even, htc and rim have been at this a LOT longer. their build quality has always from day 1 of the iphone launch exceeded apples, sans a few crappy curve models. generally speaking htc makes devices other companies are jealous of. apple copied their candy bar design.
 
bobbytomorow said:
Apple needs to do a full out recall and swallow some losses.

Damn sure enough I will not buy an iphone 4, and I'm no hater I have 3 Apple PC's in the room I'm in right now, in my house. But selling broken equipment isn't cool.

I used to be die hard but after this disgrace, I'm not.

I hope they rectify this somehow.
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Apple "PC", yeah... And you do not even own an iphone. Sigh..

I hope they will not do a recall. Even the bumper thing is ridiculous.
I dont´t want my next iphone to cost 1000 Euros instead of 600 to cover a possible recall just because a few nerds cannont take their finger off the antenna although they already know it can weaken their reception.
Never had ANY problems in daily use.
 
Some of you are all over the place with this issue.

1. Consumer Reports is a respected organization with as little bias as you can have (we are all human, I am sure there is some bias somewhere)

2. They recommended the original Iphone, the 3G, the 3Gs, and raved about the features in the 4, but stopped short of a recommendation because of their perceived antenna problems.

3. Obviously, not everyone has problems with reception, and for those that have no problem, this is a fantastic phone.

4. Obviously, some do have problems with reception, and for those that do, and love the phone and would like to keep it, they complain to and about Apple, in the hope that their issues can be fixed without the use of a bumper. Others just return it.

5. When Consumer Reports does not recommend a car model based on a below average reliability rating, this does not mean you shouldn't by the car. They have no power to stop you. It means they are giving you a heads up that there is a larger probability of problems. You may buy that model and experience no issues whatsoever.

My wife has a 3G and I have an Iphone 4. Holding both phones normally, standing next to each other, mine will go to searching for signal and hers will show 2 bars and complete a call. I still love the phone and will keep it, but there is a problem there for some people in some areas.

My previous phone was a Palm Treo and it never dropped a call from my house. The 4 does on occasion. It's just so good in so many other ways I am willing to put up with it.
 
8-Bits said:
People attacking Consumer Reports are making a big mistake. CR has found major defects in automobiles for years and have forced car manufacturers around the world to correct safety problems. They matter, and all major companies know it.

Even if Apple has a better testing lab (you know, the $100 million dollar thing + 18 engineers with PhDs) than CR, they don't have an unbiased agenda.

Everyone will be better off when Apple actually responds to CR and fixes the iP4.
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There's also another question that (I find it strange) nobody asked: does the iPhone 4 have similar reception problems in Japan, the UK, Germany and France? Japan especially since in Japan and South Korea, cellphone towers are installed with essentially lots of more towers at lower transmitting power than the US practice, which is fewer cellphone towers at higher transmitting power. If the iPhone 4 does NOT have reception problems in Japan, that tells me the iPhone 4 was never properly tested with US cellphone tower configurations.
 
SactoGuy18 said:
There's also another question that (I find it strange) nobody asked: does the iPhone 4 have similar reception problems in Japan, the UK, Germany and France? Japan especially since in Japan and South Korea, cellphone towers are installed with essentially lots of more towers at lower transmitting power than the US practice, which is fewer cellphone towers at higher transmitting power. If the iPhone 4 does NOT have reception problems in Japan, that tells me the iPhone 4 was never properly tested with US cellphone tower configurations.
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UK - Yes.
 
Johns12 said:
Some of you are all over the place with this issue.
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It's just so good in so many other ways I am willing to put up with it.
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Good post. Apparently, and this isn't directed at you, having an iPhone 4 without problems isn't enough for some posters here... and some of them have been here a long time at that.

Even if you don't have a problem, why would you not want your phone's deficiency to be addressed? :confused:
 
igirlca said:
not wrong at all actually, the nexus one suffers from coverage issues in a lot of reviews because it's a tmobile phone. where i live and have great coverage from tmobile i get 2 days without any problem whatsoever. do your homework son.
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Absolutely WRONG.
I linked an Anandtech review, you linked NOTHING. With all due respect, your words about "2 days" are useless. And the review (that you clearly didn't read), spoke also about wifi performance, so network coverage is not a factor. Nexus One is one of the worst phones of the batch, speaking about battery life.
I did my homework, what about you ?
 
Max(IT) said:
Absolutely WRONG.
I linked an Anandtech review, you linked NOTHING. With all due respect, your words about "2 days" are useless. And the review (that you clearly didn't read), spoke also about wifi performance, so network coverage is not a factor. Nexus One is one of the worst phones of the batch, speaking about battery life.
I did my homework, what about you ?
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It turns out that Nexus One has less going for it than poor battery life:

Google quietly kills its once-hyped Nexus One phone
 
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