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froyo gets a reported 2 days of moderate/heavy use even with flash on, this is widely reported, and not just from me..sorry, extremely wrong here.

Unless you touch that spot just above the earphone jack. Then you lose all signal, the batteries run down to zero and the phone catches fire killing anyone standing close to you.
 
It is when it's used in a profane way.

Wow, you actually "missed" the part where I wrote that if it was the same issue that all phones have, you shouldn't be able to fix it by insulating the antenna with a piece of tape. It's classic denial.
 
Agreed.
There are some in this thread who have claimed Apple fanboys are attacking CR just because of the iPhone4 "non-recommendation." This is absolutely not true. CR has always been a rag, and I can't imagine anyone with any common sense putting any faith in their reports or recommendations.

You are lying, i know it, you know it, everyone knows it. Apple has used prior CR reports before in sales and training materials. I did not see anyone attacking CR when they had good reviews about the previous iphones. Millions of people use CR when buying products. It is one of the most respected review organizations in America (unless your an apple fanboy).


As I've said before, they know a little about a lot of products, but not much about anything. Want a car? Go read independent tests in Car & Driver. Want a new 3D TV? Read Sound & Vision test results. Same applies for anything else - Consumer Reports is not recognized as an authority on ANYTHING.

:rolleyes: It funny, actually no it is sad that you think those two magazines are more independent than CR. Once again Consumer Reports is recognized and highly respected for their independent reviews (unless you are an apple fanboy). Millions use Cr for their reviews, on thousand of products

Even if they wholeheartedly endorsed iPhone4, they would still be useless.

:rolleyes: If they wholeheartedly endorsed the IP4 then Apple would not have had to have an emergency conference where they admitted that the iphone was defective. If CR wholeheartedly endorsed the IP4 90% of the CR haters here would be in love when them. I know is is sacrilegious to speak ill of anything apple, so i understand why people are so angry with CR.
 
If it was the same issue that all phones have, you shouldn't be able to fix it by insulating the antenna with a piece of tape. This very simple fact escapes an awful lot of people. It's like watching the stages of grief at work.

Too bad fixing this issue with other phones isn't as simple as applying a piece of tape (or a rubber bumper). ;)

As for "stages of grief" and "classic denial" - I have no problem with my iPhone 4. No dramatic tears or cyber-rage here. It Just Works (TM). *shrug*
 
Wow, you actually "missed" the part where I wrote that if it was the same issue that all phones have, you shouldn't be able to fix it by insulating the antenna with a piece of tape. It's classic denial.

Wow, you actually "Missed" the part where the iP4 gets better reception than many smart phones without a bumper and blows the top of the reception charts off when you put on a bumper.

When something works well without the fix and extremely well when you add a painless fix, you can't call it broken.
 
I live at an ATT low signal spot. I get signal in the basement without the bumper when holding the phone the wrong way. This is not an issue.


I have a Toyota, i have never had the accelerator get suck, so the problem was not real. The stuck accelerator was a "non issue" because I did not have the problem, and it means that no one else on the planet had the problem, just like your phone.
 
Wow, you actually "Missed" the part where the iP4 gets better reception than many smart phones without a bumper and blows the top of the reception charts off when you put on a bumper.

When something works well without the fix and extremely well when you add a painless fix, you can't call it broken.

Reconsider the use of the word "fix" when trying to convince someone something isn't broken.

I think it is a bad idea for Apple to try to pass this off as the same issue as all phones have when it is obviously two separate issues - one of them being fixable. It's fairly apparent and does them no good.
 
I have a Toyota, i have never had the accelerator get suck, so the problem was not real. The stuck accelerator was a "non issue" because I did not have the problem, and it means that no one else on the planet had the problem, just like your phone.

...And even if it did, it would only result in you getting to your destination faster. What can be wrong with that?
 
Marmot Soup is thought to be profanity when it is used in a profane way. (It is somewhat harder to use Marmot Soup in a profane way. It just does not come out right when you stub your toe.)

If you really want to be profane, say scunthorpe until it becomes meaningless syllables with a slight hidden cuss.

(Scunthorpe is a place)
 
I have a Toyota, i have never had the accelerator get suck, so the problem was not real. The stuck accelerator was a "non issue" because I did not have the problem, and it means that no one else on the planet had the problem, just like your phone.

I drive an S-2000 I had the accelerator get stuck once. I reached down, pulled up the floor mat and it unstuck (less than a second). When I got home, I ditched the floor mat and the problem was solved forever. Many cars have accelerators that get stuck. I don't think Toyota had more of a problem than Honda or Ford. The fix is easy. The problem is trivial.

You can cause a Droid to lose signal by gripping it the wrong way. Same for a Blackberry. I don't see it as a problem just because some 98 year old lady in N. Dakota has a signal drop when she gets confused and tries to eat her phone.

All phones have issues. All cars have issues. This one is easy to fix and effects a small number of people.
 
So

They rate it the best but not recommend to buy it...?

Isn't that trying to have the cake and eat it?

It does not bode well for their sense of ratings when you think about it.
:rolleyes:
 
I have a Toyota, i have never had the accelerator get suck, so the problem was not real. The stuck accelerator was a "non issue" because I did not have the problem, and it means that no one else on the planet had the problem, just like your phone.

The iPhone4 behavior is more analogous to an SUV being unable to corner as fast as say a Mustang. It's a design limitation. It's known and the owners deal with it.
 
You can cause a Droid to lose signal by gripping it the wrong way. Same for a Blackberry. I don't see it as a problem just because some 98 year old lady in N. Dakota has a signal drop when she gets confused and tries to eat her phone.

All phones have issues. This one is easy to fix and effects a small number of people.


Steve Jobs would be very proud of the way you recycle his talking points. I guess the new apple slogan should be " It just works (and if it doesn't work for you it doesn't matter)". I guess trying to hold the phone in my left hand and make a call from downtown Boston was far too much for me to expect.

Not all phones have those antenna issues. Apple produced a video under ideal conditions for the outcome that will help them defend their defective product.
 
Yes. It's obviously a feature :D

Apparently RIM forgot to add this feature (being able to fix signal degradation via hand grip with a piece of tape) to the BlackBerry Bold 9650.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010...=Feed:+TheBoyGeniusReport+(Boy+Genius+Report)

Yet I don't expect to see this reported via the New York Times, CNN, Consumer Reports, and every tech website in the known universe. :rolleyes:

Hey CR, where's the Not Recommended rating for the Bold 9650? Nay, CR said

"A very good choice for heavy-duty Office and BlackBerry e-mail users and world-traveling Sprint customers."

and gave it a Recommended rating.

The double-standard here is astounding.
 
Steve Jobs would be very proud of the way you recycle his talking points. I guess the new apple slogan should be " It just works (and if it doesn't work for you it doesn't matter)". I guess trying to hold the phone in my left hand and make a call from downtown Boston was far too much for me to expect.

Not all phones have those antenna issues. Apple produced a video under ideal conditions for the outcome that will help them defend their defective product.

So, what’s the point of complaining about it here? Apple said what they would do at the press conference. That’s it.
 
Steve Jobs would be very proud of the way you recycle his talking points. I guess the new apple slogan should be " It just works (and if it doesn't work for you it doesn't matter)". I guess trying to hold the phone in my left hand and make a call from downtown Boston was far too much for me to expect.

Not all phones have those antenna issues. Apple produced a video under ideal conditions for the outcome that will help them defend their defective product.

I see no point in this post. It lacks logical and critical thinking skills. Also, Apple gave you a fix. Not happy? Return the phone.
 
Apparently RIM forgot to add this feature (being able to fix signal degradation via hand grip with a piece of tape) to the BlackBerry Bold 9650.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010...=Feed:+TheBoyGeniusReport+(Boy+Genius+Report)

Yet I don't expect to see this reported via the New York Times, CNN, Consumer Reports, and every tech website in the known universe. :rolleyes:

Hey CR, where's the Not Recommended rating for the Bold 9650? Nay, CR said



and gave it a Recommended rating.

The double-standard here is astounding.

Or they simply expect more of Apple because they've proven time and again that they can make a phone the mass public actually want to use.
 
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