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No. It's not "old people".

Plenty of young people support Hitlary who voted for the patriot act, supports this bill and will continue in Barry's footsteps.
And of course every one of the Republican candidates except Rand Paul also supports this kind of surveillance.

Bernie Sanders opposes it, but I'm guessing you're too partisan to consider him.
 
What they are not telling us is this law passed last year in a secret session and this is bringing it to the public now that all manufactures have been forced to comply including Apple with iOS 9.
Have you noticed how this bill mysteriously passes so quickly in the house and senate and will be signed by the pres soon without any vetting or public review. That's cause it's a done deal.

Hummmm I wonder what my iOS 8 iPhone 6 could sell for now without the secret back door? $1000?
 
This helps.

Also, NEVER give your Social Security number to any company which doesn't require it by law.

For example car rental agencies and doctors have these SSN questions on their forms to fill out.

Instead of arguing with a company clerk who doesn't know better and not getting what you want,
just reverse two digits in your real SSN.
You do not have to show proof of your SSN, as it is always advised not to carry the card.

That way if they really use it or it turns out it's needed, you can claim an error and know that it is being used.

Have been doing that since over 30 years and not once was I asked about it!

You can do the same with your D.O.B.
Agreed. And the secret question data mining.. Is not a problem for me. I use the same word to answer my secret questions. Like 'bycicle' - of course that's not my word, but you get the idea. My bank security guy got a big kick when verifying my identity because of a fraud alert. Also makes it easy to keep up.
 
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Being in Denver for the debate that starts 27 hours after the vote is no excuse for not being at the vote doing the job they seeked out and were elected to. There are many flights between DC and Denver in that 27 hour time period. Anyone who is skipping work to apply for a new job doesn't deserve either job!
Nice, get jet lagged before the debate.

I think the frustration is being directed at the wrong people.
 
Wrong!
We vote on their platforms - but when it comes time to live up to their promises they vote with the machine instead.
I don't know the answer. Voting for an HONEST AND HONORABLE politician seems an impossible task.
Wrong? In what way? If people voted for a person, and the person did something that he/she did not promise, then, oh I don't know, vote somebody else to replace that person. You won't get any changes if you keep voting for the same exact people to represent you, regardless of what they do.

I think it's time voters take up some responsibility instead of just whining and pointing fingers. But oh wait, let's change our twitter icon! That will do the trick! /s
 
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If you are against this type of bill, answer the following questions for yourself:

1. Have you read the summary of the bill? (S.754 - Cybersecurity Information Sharing Act of 2015)
2. Do you know how your senators voted? (On Passage of the Bill (S. 754, As Amended))
3. Have you communicated with your senators letting them know they lost your future vote? (email your senator)
4. Prepared an eloquent response to friends and acquaintances to make sure they are informed before they vote?

That's the best, IMHO, we can do.

Although my gut reaction is similar to many who have commented, reading the summary:

"(Sec. 8) Prohibits this Act from being construed to permit the federal government to require an entity to provide information to the federal government."

It still appears a voluntary measure for companies to share and divulge information in this bill. It states it over and over and the quote above directly states it from misinterpretation. So, if you trust the company you do business with not to share (iOS 8+ and the non-storing of encryption keys), then there shouldn't be a change. However, if you don't trust them, AT&T/Verizon, then expect them to keep sharing.

I am going to continue to read beyond the summary into the full text of the bill, but it's not as bad as it seems. Bad companies in terms of privacy will continue to be bad (with more impunity), good companies should be allowed to continue to be good.

I'm thinking of emailing my senator Franken and see why he objected. I must be missing something. I'll also continue reading deeper into the bill.
 
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Microsoft openly admit they have code that scans data held in the cloud to be sure they do not become a haven for illegal data, images, abuse etc etc.
Do we presume Apple also scans their users cloud data also, looking for similar illegal data or information stored on their systems?

Isn't that the whole Feds vs. Apple fight right now? Apple says it doesn't have the means to break into user's encrypted data. So if Apple was scanning it would be outright lying. I don't care for Tim Cook's management of Apple but I don't think he's a liar. So, no I don't presume Apple is peeking at information stored in iCloud or that might flow through Apple's servers.
 
This helps.

Also, NEVER give your Social Security number to any company which doesn't require it by law.

For example car rental agencies and doctors have these SSN questions on their forms to fill out.

Instead of arguing with a company clerk who doesn't know better and not getting what you want,
just reverse two digits in your real SSN.
You do not have to show proof of your SSN, as it is always advised not to carry the card.

That way if they really use it or it turns out it's needed, you can claim an error and know that it is being used.

Have been doing that since over 30 years and not once was I asked about it!

You can do the same with your D.O.B.
If I reverse the last two numbers of both (ssn and birthday) they are the same :)
 
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CISA is designed to allow companies to share information on cybersecurity threats with one another and the government. ...

As if somebody would shoot them currently if they picked up the phone and alerted each other about hacks. But it's OK now, because Congress have galvanised itself into action. :rolleyes:
 
Election day is next week. If you're not happy about someone who voted yay for this and they are on the ballot, vote for someone else. Then send the incumbent a nice letter telling them what you did and why you did it.
 
Election day is next week. If you're not happy about someone who voted yay for this and they are on the ballot, vote for someone else. Then send the incumbent a nice letter telling them what you did and why you did it.

No Congressional seats are up for reelection this year. The fact is, they do **** like this because our voting participation sucks.
 
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Isn't that the whole Feds vs. Apple fight right now? Apple says it doesn't have the means to break into user's encrypted data. So if Apple was scanning it would be outright lying. I don't care for Tim Cook's management of Apple but I don't think he's a liar. So, no I don't presume Apple is peeking at information stored in iCloud or that might flow through Apple's servers.

I feel it may be more to do with the EXACT words and phrases Tim publicly uses, which to us, we hear it as having one meaning, but it's VERY carefully crafted English to actually mean or allow something else.

So, not a Lie technically, but more a clever and precise use of language to appear to be saying one thing, whilst legally? meaning another.

And/or what you don't say, combined with the actual meaning of certain words.

If what WE THINK is genuine, then Apple's servers are the ideal place for nasty evil people to store child pornography, terrorist plots, you name it, that the place to store it. If it's not touchable, as Tim Suggests.

The point is, do any of us want Apple to be THE safe haven for all of that?
 
Problem with these bills is that the people voting for them, don't understand then implications, they just read the executive summary and vote yes.
 
Nice, get jet lagged before the debate.

I think the frustration is being directed at the wrong people.
"There is a problem in **** Country and I am needed in the Situation Room? I am sorry, but I have this thing tomorrow evening in Denver, so I am going to skip this and go to Denver today so I am not jet lagged tomorrow night."
 
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And of course every one of the Republican candidates except Rand Paul also supports this kind of surveillance.

Bernie Sanders opposes it, but I'm guessing you're too partisan to consider him.
I do disagree with Bernie on other issues, but he seems to be a good candidate with integrity.
 
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So get out there and vote them out. That's part of the problem - these people keep getting re-elected. Start setting a pattern that those that don't listen to their bosses (us) will get thrown out and you'll see things change.

Sadly most won't do this.

I can't if no decent politician steps up to run. My state attracts the worst of the worst.
 
Nice, get jet lagged before the debate.

I think the frustration is being directed at the wrong people.

So... Frustration about someone refusing to do their job being directed at the person who refuses to do their job "is being directed at the wrong people". If we shouldn't direct that frustration at the person who refuses to do their job, who *should* we direct it towards? Should we direct that frustration at the people who *were* there to do their jobs? That doesn't make sense.
 
For ****'s sake.

It's like emailing or letting representatives and senators know how we feel about this bill has absolutely no effect.
In this case, sadly true. Power is an irresistible potion to those in authority. The house and senate seem hell-bent on ramming this through. Maybe a deluge of millions upon millions of emails to Mr Obama might persuade him to consider his presidential veto powers. Of course Congress can then override that veto with a two-thirds majority.

Somehow I fear we're one step closer to that 'slippery slope' towards a police state where nothing will be sacred.
 
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