I have about ten people in my wider religious group that won’t talk to me over vaccines. Pastors want to push vaccines but they are worried about losing their congregations.
I would have never expected this a few years ago.
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I have about ten people in my wider religious group that won’t talk to me over vaccines. Pastors want to push vaccines but they are worried about losing their congregations.
I would have never expected this a few years ago.
I must say, among all the various conspiracies, the one that pisses me off the most is the moon landing one, but the most disturbing one is by far the Anti-Vaxx movement. I can't say I observe the same reluctance in my own congregation, but it's possible that those that don't want the vaccine are just being quiet. I talked to several people in multiple places, from clerks to engineers, that are against the vaccine. The vast majority are young.
Certainly one of the main issues is that like everything else in the US (see Simone Biles), it has to become political to a nauseating point.
I heard the moon-landing one a long time ago. My son instantly debunked a few of the arguments with really simple physics. One of the arguments is that the Lunar Lander wouldn't survive landing on the moon because of its construction. My son just told the person that the force of gravity is a lot less on the moon compared to the earth.
The bigger problem is the lack of science education.
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Sadly the moon landing and the flat earth conspiracy theories are becoming more popular by the day.
I am afraid that rather than lack of science education we’re at lack of common sense.
the thing is, idiots claiming the moon landing as a hoax don't really hurt anyone but themselves.
Idiots who refuse vaccinations and claim covid a hoax have the chance of directly hurting those around them.
that's what makes it so much worse IMHO
Wow, so this is interesting...
When the vaccine first came out, they knew it was very protective against the infection harming you. But, they didn't know if you could still get infected and pass it along, as is the case with many vaccines. Eventually they discovered the vaccine did double-duty and prevented infection, which prevented transmission. This led to the mask mandate repeal.
Now the evidence shows this is not true with the Delta virus. You are still very protected against getting seriously ill, but the vaccine does not prevent you from being infected -- and with very large viral loads. Thus vaccinated people can catch and pass on delta-COVID quite easily.
And the viral-loads with delta are much greater -- up to 1000x the previous variants, even among vaccinated.
We should all be masking again.
When the vaccine first came out, they knew it was very protective against the infection harming you. But, they didn't know if you could still get infected and pass it along, as is the case with many vaccines. Eventually they discovered the vaccine did double-duty and prevented infection, which prevented transmission. This led to the mask mandate repeal.
Now the evidence shows this is not true with the Delta virus. You are still very protected against getting seriously ill, but the vaccine does not prevent you from being infected -- and with very large viral loads. Thus vaccinated people can catch and pass on delta-COVID quite easily.
And the viral-loads with delta are much greater -- up to 1000x the previous variants, even among vaccinated.
We should all be masking again.
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Exactly. However, what is unknown is if this is inherent of what the virus outright can naturally do (the transmission of it despite any vaccination), or if it is because of it (the Delta variant) now beginning to mutate, making this a new "feature" of the variant.
BL.
The capacity of human ignorance knows no bounds. Conspiracy theories have been the basis of virulent anti-social behavior and prejudice for thousand of years. Today is no different than yesterday. This is one of the reasons I have little faith in people while trying to maintain some semblance of hope for the future of mankind in general. It's not easy.
I forgot how much colds suck lol. I got my first one in about 18 months. Putting my mask back on temporarily so I don’t spew cold germs all over people in stores lol. Maybe I’ll keep it on longer depending on how high cases increase in my area.
From The Washington Post:
‘The war has changed’: Internal CDC document warns delta infections are “like a different novel virus”
‘The war has changed’: Internal CDC document warns delta infections are “like a different novel virus”
To a point. The vaccine is incredibly effective against the Delta Variant. It’s not like we’re back to square 1.
Those that don’t want a vaccine will pay the price of their choice.
It is effective in preventing hospitalization and death. But it still allows transmission. That's a problem for those of us that take care of people that take care of others that aren't vaccinated.
Again, those that don’t want a vaccine also don’t want to “be protected”. Many do not believe that the virus even exists. I have conversations on a daily basis about this, people from left and right telling bs like vaccines don’t work, the virus is not strong, etc.
I am a devout religious Christian but I am also for Darwinism when it comes to this. If they want to risk it, so be it. I am vaccinated (I was among the very first in the world), my whole family is vaccinated, and we made our choice. Now that vaccines are available everywhere, people can freely make their choice. They want to risk hospitalization and death? Fine. They want to risk long COVID? Fine. Their choice. I did my part against COVID at home and at work for over a year.
I can’t wait for the booster shot! I want so many antibodies that I’ll cure people just by sneezing.
My mother is 99, frail and has a history of adverse reactions to vaccines. She worked as a Registered Nurse from the 1940s to the 1980s and had to retire due to work injuries.
And then there are a large number of people that can't be vaccinated.
They are called children.
Mortality and long COVID in children is so low that it’s not a problem. Pneumonia is much worse for them.
As for your mom, she’s certainly an exception - as one of my relatives that died last year due to COVID was an exception. Unless we get 100% coverage - which is impossible - she will always be at risk.
So it's okay for a couple of kids to die. Got it.
I'd like to see the variant vaccine so that I have more protection so that it's safer caring for my mother.
I'd guess that a large number of parents would want this to take care of their kids.
I know with our vaccination rates up here, we're seeing a really good reduction in the delta variants too. However, now almost all our cases are the delta variants.
Our numbers have gotten really low since we've hit about 75%+ first dose and 60% second.
it was just recently announced that a bunch of our testing centers can close due to no more use. Our ICU capactiy in our province was rammed in April/May with 900+ people in beds. We're down to 150ish averge
in several Public Health Units, it's now been announced 100% of all patients in hospital are unvaccinated. This doesn't mean people with vaccinations aren't getting covid, But that despite even the delta variant, the vaccines are enough to keep us alive and out of the worst case scenarios
at this point. People purposely chosing not to get vaccinated are idiots and are outright ignoring science and the evidence of efficacy that is in front of them.
the ONLY problem we have really with vaccines is international politics. I've got a shot of AZ and Moderna in me. Some places won't consider me fully vaccinated because of the mixed dosing. Despite NACI and the statistics showing that mixed dosing and the longer intervals we waited between doses have absolutely worked in our favour to crush the spread.
Oh please. No one is saying that it's okay for kids to die. Of course it's a tragedy when someone dies. If my brother dies - he's very much at risk due to the long Covid effects - it will be a tragedy. If a kid dies, it's a tragedy. But we're discussing public policy, and in public policy risk factors have to be taken into account.
There are about 65,500,000 kids aged 0-17. Of them, 340 (0.0005%) tragically died of COVID, and 831 (0.0013%) died of Pneumonia in the same period, and 187 (0.00028%) died of Influenza. About 51,000 died of other causes. Long covid is even rarer among that age group. So no, kids are not a problem.
Meanwhile, 2 kids aged 0-17 die every day in car crashes. When you go to bed tonight, you'll know that in the US there two kids that were alive when you woke up are no more. About 260 kids will be injured, some of them permanently. Are you okay with a couple of kids to die in a car crash? You know, it's pretty easy to drastically reduce the number of fatal car crashes. All it takes is a simple law (worded a bit better):
1) Speed limit all across the US is set to 15MPH in city roads, and 20MPH on highways and interstates.
2) All vehicle manufacturers will set the vehicles max speed to 20mph.
3) Whoever is found speeding between 20.01mph and 25mph will be fined $10,000 and face a minimum sentence of 2 months to 2 years of community service.
4) whoever is found speeding about 25.1mph will be fined $100,000 and face a minimum sentence of 10 years and maximum sentence of 15 years of penitentiary.
5) The above does not apply for emergency vehicles.
You see? Problem solved, completely legally. With the above, car crashes would plummet. Granted, it would crash the economy among other issues, but it would certainly reduce deadly crashes by at least 90%... unless you're "okay for a couple of kids to die".
Going back to COVID, the current vaccine is very effective against the variant.
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We don't have approvals yet on anyone younger. But that's just more reason for the rest of us who CAN get our shots to do so. To protect our kids and our vulnerable populations.
Today: Peel region has announced as well that 100% of cases in the hospital were unvaccinated.
yesterday's Numbers for Ontario: 218 Cases (thats actually a bit up, but expected due to reopening). 3 deaths. 1.12% positive testing. 121 ICU's (-20 from last week). 94,000 vaccines administered.
Of the 12+ year old population we are currently sitting at 80.08% first shot, and 67.89% second shot.
Those are not bad numbers!
One number I can't find is the actual population coverage for antibodies. That is, Vaccines + People with antibodies because they contracted the virus (obviously counting those that had both only once). That would tell us with some accuracy the true state of things (although we would miss those who got Covid and didn't test or didn't even realize it).
I would think that 80% vaxxed would mean at least 90% of actual immune individuals, if not more.
We aren't tracing that up here. The governments taken the approach that even previously infected people won't be considered "safe" unless they are vaccinated. it makes sense given that nobody seems to know how long natural anti-bodies seem to last.
Plus there's discussions now about a possible 3rd booster. Especially for the mixed users like myself, that way my official records would show 2 of the same vaccines for travel purposes. I honestly don't mind.
I can't guess just how much immunity we've got. But we did see a massive decline in cases once a certain threshodl of first shots was hit (I believe once we hit 70% first doses, the infection rates absolutely plummeted). So while two doses is best, even a single shot is massively helpful.
we had a bit of a political football being thrown around during the year, where certain regional politicians of a certain political persuasions were refusing to act depsite increasing numbers. We hit 8,000 cases a day average in April/May before we were getting vaccinated.
My province was hitting over 4,000 cases a day by April 10th. of a population of 14m, we were seeing nearly 8%+ positivity rate.
We locked down. And got vaccines out. And the numbers have absolutely plummetted. Vaccines work.
Mid April is when we hit about 50% vaccinations (first dose) and by June we were doing second doses for the general population