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Vaccines work.
100%!!! (well, 99.99%! :) )

We aren't tracing that up here. The governments taken the approach that even previously infected people won't be considered "safe" unless they are vaccinated.
It is a very sensible policy, and the best way to think about that. I am just curious about the Vaxxed + Naturally immune for curiosity's sake.


My province was hitting over 4,000 cases a day by April 10th. of a population of 14m, we were seeing nearly 8%+ positivity rate.
One thing that I am noticing is that it seems that the mortality rate is not truly following the cases rate, which would be a very welcome news. It's a bit too early to say - it will take about a month to truly know - but if this is the case we are indeed in a pretty decent spot. It's possible that this is because it's mostly the younger population that get sick. Below from Google, and then from Bing.

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Oh please. No one is saying that it's okay for kids to die. Of course it's a tragedy when someone dies. If my brother dies - he's very much at risk due to the long Covid effects - it will be a tragedy. If a kid dies, it's a tragedy. But we're discussing public policy, and in public policy risk factors have to be taken into account.

There are about 65,500,000 kids aged 0-17. Of them, 340 (0.0005%) tragically died of COVID, and 831 (0.0013%) died of Pneumonia in the same period, and 187 (0.00028%) died of Influenza. About 51,000 died of other causes. Long covid is even rarer among that age group. So no, kids are not a problem.

Meanwhile, 2 kids aged 0-17 die every day in car crashes. When you go to bed tonight, you'll know that in the US there two kids that were alive when you woke up are no more. About 260 kids will be injured, some of them permanently. Are you okay with a couple of kids to die in a car crash? You know, it's pretty easy to drastically reduce the number of fatal car crashes. All it takes is a simple law (worded a bit better):
1) Speed limit all across the US is set to 15MPH in city roads, and 20MPH on highways and interstates.
2) All vehicle manufacturers will set the vehicles max speed to 20mph.
3) Whoever is found speeding between 20.01mph and 25mph will be fined $10,000 and face a minimum sentence of 2 months to 2 years of community service.
4) whoever is found speeding about 25.1mph will be fined $100,000 and face a minimum sentence of 10 years and maximum sentence of 15 years of penitentiary.
5) The above does not apply for emergency vehicles.

You see? Problem solved, completely legally. With the above, car crashes would plummet. Granted, it would crash the economy among other issues, but it would certainly reduce deadly crashes by at least 90%... unless you're "okay for a couple of kids to die".

Going back to COVID, the current vaccine is very effective against the variant.


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I would personally prefer that people drive more responsibly, and keep their vehicles in good working order. We can definitely decrease accidents by enforcing existing laws. Such as the laws against distracted driving. Or the death penalty for drunk driving. I generally drive below the speed limit if I feel that the road doesn't support higher speeds.

I'd also add removal of driving privileges for a year for distracted driving. The last two accidents I was in involved getting hit by one person with her phone surgically attached to her hand and another young hit and run driver.

I am in a gym daily where there are 100-150 kids in close quarters. One case of COVID there would explode. I suspect the place is going to issue new guidance in a few weeks. Parents depend on this place to take care of their kids so that they can go to work. So closing this place down would be a problem for them.

I disagree with safer driving crashing the economy. If you lose your license, you need another way to get to work. So you could just hire someone to drive you. Speeding could be looked at as an efficiency and a lot of efficiency usually results in decreased jobs or decreased quality of jobs. Broken Windows economic theory.
 
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We don't have approvals yet on anyone younger. But that's just more reason for the rest of us who CAN get our shots to do so. To protect our kids and our vulnerable populations.

Today: Peel region has announced as well that 100% of cases in the hospital were unvaccinated.

yesterday's Numbers for Ontario: 218 Cases (thats actually a bit up, but expected due to reopening). 3 deaths. 1.12% positive testing. 121 ICU's (-20 from last week). 94,000 vaccines administered.

Of the 12+ year old population we are currently sitting at 80.08% first shot, and 67.89% second shot.

But you said that everyone that doesn't get vaccinations are idiots.
 
Those are not bad numbers!
One number I can't find is the actual population coverage for antibodies. That is, Vaccines + People with antibodies because they contracted the virus (obviously counting those that had both only once). That would tell us with some accuracy the true state of things (although we would miss those who got Covid and didn't test or didn't even realize it).

I would think that 80% vaxxed would mean at least 90% of actual immune individuals, if not more.

We got down to practically zero cases due to vaccination rates around 60%. Then Delta showed up and our numbers have tripled off the lows. So 60% isn't enough. MA is higher and their cases are rising so that may not be enough for Delta.
 
But you said that everyone that doesn't get vaccinations are idiots.
Everyone who is CHOSING not to.

There are legitimate excuses for those who cannot for specific reasons (medical) or age.

But you knew thats what I meant, don't JAQ off.
 
Beta variant seems to be taking hold in Europe, and there's a new Florida variant that's now up to 10% of cases there, so it looks like just maybe Delta is being slowly curbed by the vaccines as I expected a few pages back. That means it's suppressive effect on other variants is also likely to begin to wane, though, so they will have more opportunity to flourish. There was a theory Delta is about as transmissible as the virus can get without compromising significantly in another way, which would be good, then we'd be dealing with slightly less explosive outbreaks for variants that can get round existing vaccines. Others have pointed out viruses like Measles can be far more contagious, though:

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12+

We don't have approvals yet on anyone younger. But that's just more reason for the rest of us who CAN get our shots to do so. To protect our kids and our vulnerable populations.

Today: Peel region has announced as well that 100% of cases in the hospital were unvaccinated.

yesterday's Numbers for Ontario: 218 Cases (thats actually a bit up, but expected due to reopening). 3 deaths. 1.12% positive testing. 121 ICU's (-20 from last week). 94,000 vaccines administered.

Of the 12+ year old population we are currently sitting at 80.08% first shot, and 67.89% second shot.
All things considered Canadians are on track to herd immunity by the end of 2021. Then, not sure about when we would need booster shots. I hope border restrictions are fully removed by the end of the year.
 
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COVID 19 is a virus and like any virus, it needs a host to survive and multiply. It can not exist all on its own without a host. It's not a human being; it's a parasite. So how do you kill a parasite without spending lots of money and without needing a vaccine? Medical asepsis, unity and cooperation among those infected and uninfected -- a practice of practical hygiene and measures to curb and stop vector transmission.

If you look at SARS and MERS; they didn't require us to get the vaccine did they, but they helped us with the immense progress of our current COVID vaccines. What about the 1918 Flu pandemic where in those days, they didn't have much in terms of medical technology and medicines nor even a vaccine. And yet 100 years ago, they stopped the virus and humanity just move along.

The virus most feared enemy is NOT the vaccine. The virus most feared enemy is our UNITY and COOPERATION to starve it off any potential host. Remove the host by stopping vector transmission at its source and allowing the host to recover and kill the virus from within, then you would have stopped the transmission. However, you need the person be rational and also believe in unity, team player, empathy and have a sense of social awareness that doing this is a betterment of all man kind. In fact, early on in the pandemic, all it would take is simply masking, social distancing and staying at home. And the government would do the rest by providing government stimulus, rent moratoriums and anything possible to keep people at home or reduce contact and let the pandemic ride out. If we the people of the world would corporate and unite together, we wouldn't even be talking about a vaccine. It never happened with SARS and MERS, because back then, people were more united. Today, many nations have people that are MORE DIVIDED than ever, which is fertile ground for the virus to spread and multiply. In fact, the more division the more the virus finds potential vectors to mutate and spread and keep spreading. It's that simple. We are doing most of the virus' work and if the virus has a personality -- it would have all laughed at our division and dis-unity. And all we can talk now is like developing countermeasures in a divided world by using vaccines to counter a solution which could be easily solved by us seeing why are we so divided as a world, as a nation.

I look at the spread of the virus in many nations and the ones that had the most spread and the most deaths seemed to come from countries run by an autocratic regime, which included the United States in the past, which is surprising when it holds the world's reserve currency.

The purpose of masking and social distancing is simply to starve out the virus' potential vector of transmission and masking and social distancing work. It worked in the past; in 1918 flu without plasma, Remdesivir, Invermectin, the vaccine and so on and so forth. All it took was some unity and cooperation in 1918 even during and after WW1. But now, it seemed like division is a well championed narrative.

So what does it take for all of us to unite; to combat the virus and let it die? For some event in the near future that will push us; literally force us to unite. There are already some signs of this by mandating vaccines; but I think it will take more than that. Our economy right now is held only by the stimulus drug; it's on an IV line and right now, people are doing what they are doing to resist vaccination, because they do not see how it would affect the economy. What if the economy plunges 50-80% and then all of sudden, there is a pressing need to jump start the economy. The solution is to restore the economy to its pre-pandemic condition; meaning helping all countries not just the modern democracies reach full vaccination and I suspect the government requirements that all people who receive further government assistance will have to have full vaccination status. I will see this coming.

Look -- we had gotten rid of smoking indoors where ones that was the right of many smokers. Today if you want to smoke; you need to step outside and smoke elsewhere because the community wants that. I suspect moving forward, the majority of people in the world are going to get fed up with the unvaccinated and, just like smokers, simply put an ultimatum to them and say; want to belong to our community? Simple; get the vax. It didn't have to come to this, because we could have solved it in 2020 simply by wearing a mask and social distance. But that's not what happened for many people and so the COVID virus only finest point is showed us we are as people in the world and in nations that had the most infections that we expertly hid that division. The virus simply removed the veil for us to see that division.

Vaccine alone is not the only answer. It is unity among us as citizens in a nation and as people in the world. We must start to become more emphatic, more socially aware that we as 7 billion people living in this world must unite together to rid this virus. Or else; you will keep fighting this virus, deplete whatever resources we have in monetary stimulus and eventually will cause the economy of the world to collapse all in the attempt to teach us to accept the lessons in unity and cooperation.

I used to work in health care, in mental health nursing and while I had semi-retired from that profession, I always ride my bike past my former work place and that hospital I worked in had never have an outbreak during the pandemic. It wasn't a surprise to me because when I worked there at the time, we all work together as a team, practice medical asepsis as a team and vaccinate as a team. If you can't for any reason vaccinate, then wear a mask which a few of us did. There was unity and cooperation. The only times we lost the ball was because someone didn't practice medical asepsis and allowed the infection to spread. Someone who decided to adopt a rugged individualism mindset that it's all about me and no one else. I found it disturbing to even here that from medical professionals in the United States which are so highly divisive; high level lack of cooperation, but it is not limited to the USA. It is a lesson of what happens when we lacked social unity and cooperation and how the virus exploits this division to thrive, spread and multiply. Division is the oxygen the virus needs to fan its flames so to speak, whereas unity is the vacuum to suck its oxygen out.
 
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I would personally prefer that people drive more responsibly, and keep their vehicles in good working order.
Exactly. Public policy is about choosing what's feasible and what's not, and to which point we should trust people all while being sure that laws and constitutions are followed. Not easy!

We can definitely decrease accidents by enforcing existing laws. Such as the laws against distracted driving. Or the death penalty for drunk driving.

Well, death penalty for drunk driving is steep!


I'd also add removal of driving privileges for a year for distracted driving. The last two accidents I was in involved getting hit by one person with her phone surgically attached to her hand and another young hit and run driver.

Yes, it's like a plague. My FD and PD friends tell me how much of a problem it is. I highly recommend the book "A Deadly Wandering" by Matt Ritchel. It's an 2015 book, but it's quite interesting and well written. It's about the very first trial of a deadly car crash involving a driver distracted by his phone. Although it touches a lot on the legal proceedings, it truly explains lots of science behind the problem. You can probably find it for less than a dollar and it's worth a reading. It truly opened my eyes (for example, I had never realized that it takes about 30 seconds for the brain to sufficiently refocus from the phone to the road).

I disagree with safer driving crashing the economy. If you lose your license, you need another way to get to work. So you could just hire someone to drive you. Speeding could be looked at as an efficiency and a lot of efficiency usually results in decreased jobs or decreased quality of jobs. Broken Windows economic theory.
Well, it depends what you mean by "safer driving". If we mean, as in my extreme example, that the speed limit can't go above 15mph then yeah, most likely there would be quite a crash. If by safer we mean by palliative solutions (better technology, better patrolling etc.) then yeah that would not crash the economy.
 
COVID 19 is a virus and like any virus, it needs a host to survive and multiply. It can not exist all on its own without a host. It's not a human being; it's a parasite. So how do you kill a parasite without spending lots of money and without needing a vaccine? Medical asepsis, unity and cooperation among those infected and uninfected -- a practice of practical hygiene and measures to curb and stop vector transmission.

If you look at SARS and MERS; they didn't require us to get the vaccine did they, but they helped us with the immense progress of our current COVID vaccines. What about the 1918 Flu pandemic where in those days, they didn't have much in terms of medical technology and medicines nor even a vaccine. And yet 100 years ago, they stopped the virus and humanity just move along.

The virus most feared enemy is NOT the vaccine. The virus most feared enemy is our UNITY and COOPERATION to starve it off any potential host. Remove the host by stopping vector transmission at its source and allowing the host to recover and kill the virus from within, then you would have stopped the transmission. However, you need the person be rational and also believe in unity, team player, empathy and have a sense of social awareness that doing this is a betterment of all man kind. In fact, early on in the pandemic, all it would take is simply masking, social distancing and staying at home. And the government would do the rest by providing government stimulus, rent moratoriums and anything possible to keep people at home or reduce contact and let the pandemic ride out. If we the people of the world would corporate and unite together, we wouldn't even be talking about a vaccine. It never happened with SARS and MERS, because back then, people were more united. Today, many nations have people that are MORE DIVIDED than ever, which is fertile ground for the virus to spread and multiply. In fact, the more division the more the virus finds potential vectors to mutate and spread and keep spreading. It's that simple. We are doing most of the virus' work and if the virus has a personality -- it would have all laughed at our division and dis-unity. And all we can talk now is like developing countermeasures in a divided world by using vaccines to counter a solution which could be easily solved by us seeing why are we so divided as a world, as a nation.

I look at the spread of the virus in many nations and the ones that had the most spread and the most deaths seemed to come from countries run by an autocratic regime, which included the United States.

The purpose of masking and social distancing is simply to starve out the virus' potential vector of transmission and masking and social distancing work. It worked in the past; in 1918 flu without plasma, Remdesivir, Invermectin, the vaccine and so on and so forth. All it took was some unity and cooperation in 1918 even during and after WW1. But now, it seemed like division is a well championed narrative.

So what does it take for all of us to unite; to combat the virus and let it die? For some event in the near future that will push us; literally force us to unite. There are already some signs of this by mandating vaccines; but I think it will take more than that. Our economy right now is held only by the stimulus drug; it's on an IV line and right now, people are doing what they are doing to resist vaccination, because they do not see how it would affect the economy. What if the economy plunges 50-80% and then all of sudden, there is a pressing need to jump start the economy. The solution is to restore the economy to its pre-pandemic condition; meaning helping all countries not just the modern democracies reach full vaccination and I suspect the government requirements that all people who receive further government assistance will have to have full vaccination status. I will see this coming.

Look -- we had gotten rid of smoking indoors where ones that was the right of many smokers. Today if you want to smoke; you need to step outside and smoke elsewhere because the community wants that. I suspect moving forward, the majority of people in the world are going to get fed up with the unvaccinated and, just like smokers, simply put an ultimatum to them and say; want to belong to our community? Simple; get the vax. It didn't have to come to this, because we could have solved it in 2020 simply by wearing a mask and social distance. But that's not what happened for many people and so the COVID virus only finest point is showed us we are as people in the world and in nations that had the most infections that we expertly hid that division. The virus simply removed the veil for us to see that division.

Vaccine alone is not the only answer. It is unity among us as citizens in a nation and as people in the world. We must start to become more emphatic, more socially aware that we as 7 billion people living in this world must unite together to rid this virus. Or else; you will keep fighting this virus, deplete whatever resources we have in monetary stimulus and eventually will cause the economy of the world to collapse all in the attempt to teach us to accept the lessons in unity and cooperation.

I used to work in health care, in mental health nursing and while I had semi-retired from that profession, I always ride my back past my former work place and that hospital I worked in had never have an outbreak. It wasn't a surprise to me because when I worked there at the time, we all work together as a team, practice medical asepsis as a team and vaccinate as a team. If you can't for any reason vaccinate, then wear a mask which a few of us did. There was unity and cooperation. The only times we lost the ball was because someone didn't practice medical asepsis and allowed the infection to spread. Someone who decided to adopt a rugged individualism mindset that it's all about me and no one else. I found it disturbing to even here that from medical professionals in the United States which so a high level of division; high level of lack of cooperation. No wonder the virus thrives in the USA.
A fun fact, in East Asia, it has been noticed that seasonal flu infections has been wayyy down since 2020 because everyone wears a mask and practices good hygiene techniques. So, preventive measures definitely work. Some argue that it should be normalized.
 
I look at the spread of the virus in many nations and the ones that had the most spread and the most deaths seemed to come from countries run by an autocratic regime, which included the United States.

Most of your post is political so I won't touch on it, but I'll comment on this.

Many of the countries with the most spread also have better technology to monitor and track information coming from different sources. The US are particularly obsessed with numbers and stats - even music labels use data and computers to analyze music and extrapolate stats to decide if they should pay for an artist's work or not. And, contrary to many other countries (China, Russia etc.) that are fairly advanced, the data is truly public and does not go mainly through a centralized government (we can see data county by county). I am not sure for example that Zimbabwe is tracking Covid as efficiently as the US or France.
 
All things considered Canadians are on track to herd immunity by the end of 2021. Then, not sure about when we would need booster shots. I hope border restrictions are fully removed by the end of the year.

Border restrictions are going to be wholly dependant on the US unfortunately. If they can't get their **** together, it's likely that some form of Vaccination restrictions will remain for years to come.
 
COVID 19 is a virus and like any virus, it needs a host to survive and multiply. It can not exist all on its own without a host. It's not a human being; it's a parasite. So how do you kill a parasite without spending lots of money and without needing a vaccine? Medical asepsis, unity and cooperation among those infected and uninfected -- a practice of practical hygiene and measures to curb and stop vector transmission.

If you look at SARS and MERS; they didn't require us to get the vaccine did they, but they helped us with the immense progress of our current COVID vaccines. What about the 1918 Flu pandemic where in those days, they didn't have much in terms of medical technology and medicines nor even a vaccine. And yet 100 years ago, they stopped the virus and humanity just move along.

The virus most feared enemy is NOT the vaccine. The virus most feared enemy is our UNITY and COOPERATION to starve it off any potential host. Remove the host by stopping vector transmission at its source and allowing the host to recover and kill the virus from within, then you would have stopped the transmission. However, you need the person be rational and also believe in unity, team player, empathy and have a sense of social awareness that doing this is a betterment of all man kind. In fact, early on in the pandemic, all it would take is simply masking, social distancing and staying at home. And the government would do the rest by providing government stimulus, rent moratoriums and anything possible to keep people at home or reduce contact and let the pandemic ride out. If we the people of the world would corporate and unite together, we wouldn't even be talking about a vaccine. It never happened with SARS and MERS, because back then, people were more united. Today, many nations have people that are MORE DIVIDED than ever, which is fertile ground for the virus to spread and multiply. In fact, the more division the more the virus finds potential vectors to mutate and spread and keep spreading. It's that simple. We are doing most of the virus' work and if the virus has a personality -- it would have all laughed at our division and dis-unity. And all we can talk now is like developing countermeasures in a divided world by using vaccines to counter a solution which could be easily solved by us seeing why are we so divided as a world, as a nation.

I look at the spread of the virus in many nations and the ones that had the most spread and the most deaths seemed to come from countries run by an autocratic regime, which included the United States in the past, which is surprising when it holds the world's reserve currency.

The purpose of masking and social distancing is simply to starve out the virus' potential vector of transmission and masking and social distancing work. It worked in the past; in 1918 flu without plasma, Remdesivir, Invermectin, the vaccine and so on and so forth. All it took was some unity and cooperation in 1918 even during and after WW1. But now, it seemed like division is a well championed narrative.

So what does it take for all of us to unite; to combat the virus and let it die? For some event in the near future that will push us; literally force us to unite. There are already some signs of this by mandating vaccines; but I think it will take more than that. Our economy right now is held only by the stimulus drug; it's on an IV line and right now, people are doing what they are doing to resist vaccination, because they do not see how it would affect the economy. What if the economy plunges 50-80% and then all of sudden, there is a pressing need to jump start the economy. The solution is to restore the economy to its pre-pandemic condition; meaning helping all countries not just the modern democracies reach full vaccination and I suspect the government requirements that all people who receive further government assistance will have to have full vaccination status. I will see this coming.

Look -- we had gotten rid of smoking indoors where ones that was the right of many smokers. Today if you want to smoke; you need to step outside and smoke elsewhere because the community wants that. I suspect moving forward, the majority of people in the world are going to get fed up with the unvaccinated and, just like smokers, simply put an ultimatum to them and say; want to belong to our community? Simple; get the vax. It didn't have to come to this, because we could have solved it in 2020 simply by wearing a mask and social distance. But that's not what happened for many people and so the COVID virus only finest point is showed us we are as people in the world and in nations that had the most infections that we expertly hid that division. The virus simply removed the veil for us to see that division.

Vaccine alone is not the only answer. It is unity among us as citizens in a nation and as people in the world. We must start to become more emphatic, more socially aware that we as 7 billion people living in this world must unite together to rid this virus. Or else; you will keep fighting this virus, deplete whatever resources we have in monetary stimulus and eventually will cause the economy of the world to collapse all in the attempt to teach us to accept the lessons in unity and cooperation.

I used to work in health care, in mental health nursing and while I had semi-retired from that profession, I always ride my back past my former work place and that hospital I worked in had never have an outbreak. It wasn't a surprise to me because when I worked there at the time, we all work together as a team, practice medical asepsis as a team and vaccinate as a team. If you can't for any reason vaccinate, then wear a mask which a few of us did. There was unity and cooperation. The only times we lost the ball was because someone didn't practice medical asepsis and allowed the infection to spread. Someone who decided to adopt a rugged individualism mindset that it's all about me and no one else. I found it disturbing to even here that from medical professionals in the United States which so a high level of division; high level of lack of cooperation. No wonder the virus thrives in the USA.
They didn't stop the 1918 flu, they let it rip, it killed maybe 20-50 million people over 2-3 years then became the progenitor of the Influenza A virus that still kills by the thousands today =P
 
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Concerning children…since Jan 2020 according to the CDC the number of children who have died with or of COVID. Why not look at the cases of pneumonia or Flu and how they affect children? Do we mask children and force vaccinate them due to the risk?
In Japan, kids wear cute kids masks in public even before COVID. So, why not.

In China, healthy children in high risk communities are allowed but not required to get vaccinated. So, why not.
 
A fun fact, in East Asia, it has been noticed that seasonal flu infections has been wayyy down since 2020 because everyone wears a mask and practices good hygiene techniques. So, preventive measures definitely work. Some argue that it should be normalized.
yup!

there are entire strains of the Flu that we were predicting to hit last winter due to seasonality.

None were around. The combination of lockdowns, cleanliness, people wearing masks and cleaning after themselves have led to near zero cases of seasonal flus. Canada's health boards believe we may have even eradicated two or three of them.

Lets just put in perspective. the methods to lockdwon and reduce Covid, are enough to eliminate flues and colds. That's how infectious Covid is. things we are doing to protect against it are enough to eliminate other diseases that plague us year after year.

if ONLY we could convince more people to just overall be cleaner.
 
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A fun fact, in East Asia, it has been noticed that seasonal flu infections has been wayyy down since 2020 because everyone wears a mask and practices good hygiene techniques. So, preventive measures definitely work. Some argue that it should be normalized.
You know what, I don't believe that stat. It's a non sequitur. I do believe that flu is down - lockdowns certainly helped in less spread due to less contact among people - but I bet my life that the vast majority of people that had the flu didn't get tested for the flu for a variety of reasons, including not wanting to be quarantined (that is, hiding it), the precedence given to covid testing ("I feel sick, I test for Covid, if it's not covid it's something else probably the flu so no need to test for it"), and less availability for flu testing (remember that for a while they told people to not go to health center or doctors unless one was very very sick).
 
Border restrictions are going to be wholly dependant on the US unfortunately. If they can't get their **** together, it's likely that some form of Vaccination restrictions will remain for years to come.
If Canadians are all vaccined to a level of herd immunity, why do you care about infected people coming in?

I know you should not shoot yourself even wearing a bulletproof vest, but statistically it should be safe to do so.
 
You know what, I don't believe that stat. It's a non sequitur. I do believe that flu is down - lockdowns certainly helped in less spread due to less contact among people - but I bet my life that the vast majority of people that had the flu didn't get tested for the flu for a variety of reasons, including not wanting to be quarantined (that is, hiding it), the precedence given to covid testing ("I feel sick, I test for Covid, if it's not covid it's something else probably the flu so no need to test for it"), and less availability for flu testing (remember that for a while they told people to not go to health center or doctors unless one was very very sick).

Ican only speak to our numbers up here, but even when we were "open" an covid was surging, FLu numbers were almost completely gone.

Just the basic masking was enough to dramatically reduce the flu's spread.
 
In Japan, kids wear cute kids masks in public even before COVID. So, why not.

In China, healthy children in high risk communities are allowed but not required to get vaccinated. So, why not.
Asians wearing masks is somewhat of a stereotype, and one that has to die. They wear it more than us, but it's not like they do wear them like crazy.

Tokyo:

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Hong Kong:
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Taipei:
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If Canadians are all vaccined to a level of herd immunity, why do you care about infected people coming in?

I know you should not shoot yourself even wearing a bulletproof vest, but statistically it should be safe to do so.

Because we have population that cannot get vaccinated for certain reasons. Medical or age.

we don't just do things up here for individual rights/liberties. we tend to balance out public good as well. In our case, if requiring some remaining restrictions in place to keep the vulnerable populations safer, We will likely do so.

If we just throw open the border, especially to unvaccinated without restrictions, it just provides more points of entry where someone or groups of people could further propel more spread.

Just because we got to 80% vaccinations, doesn't mean we ignore the other 20% and leave them to die. Even if some of them made their own stupid choices.
 
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Just the basic masking was enough to dramatically reduce the flu's spread.
The only way to know actual flu numbers is through testing. I bet that most people that felt sick with flu-like symptoms didn't get tested for the flu, hence driving numbers down. Now, I might be totally wrong, but claiming that flu numbers are down simply because of masks is a non sequitur.
 
Asians wearing masks is somewhat of a stereotype, and one that has to die. They wear it more than us, but it's not like they do wear them like crazy.

Tokyo:

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Hong Kong:
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Taipei:
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that's because they've all moved to my neighbourhood :p

(in seriousness now)

My area is actually been one of th leading immigration regions for Chinese / Hong Kong. And while not everyone. Going shopping in the area or public spaces, before Covid would see 1 in 15 people of Chinese descent wearing masks already.
 
The only way to know actual flu numbers, is through testing. I bet that most people that felt sick with flu-like symptoms didn't get tested for the flu, hence driving numbers down. Now, I might be totally wrong, but claiming that flu numbers are down simply because of masks is a non sequitur.
We track the stats weekly up here

it also helps, that in addition to masking mandate for the last year, Canada does have a nation wide free flu vaccine program, and the last year saw one of the more used years as everyone rushed to get their flu shots.
 
Asians wearing masks is somewhat of a stereotype, and one that has to die. They wear it more than us, but it's not like they do wear them like crazy.

Tokyo:

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Hong Kong:
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Taipei:
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Not according to the VOA


and times


and qz

 
We track the stats weekly up here
Again, you can track what you know, not what you don't know

Example. How many people do you know that tested for Covid (positive or negative) in the past 12 months? I bet quite a lot. How many also tested for the flu, especially negative Covids? I bet not many.

For anything but Covid last year should be considered an anomaly because our behavior changed, because most places were not performing non Covid tests unless they had to, and because people were told to stay home and NOT go to the hospital/health center if they felt mildly sick. Just the last point is enough to skew the numbers.
 
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