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I'm also willing to pay $65 for 2TB of storage that I can upload data to at 100+MB/sec, rather than $120/year for 2TB of storage that I can only upload to at 700KB/sec.

I'm sure Apple has one of the best Internet connections in the world today, but not everyone else does. I don't exactly live in a rural area (large "town", maybe 50K people), but the best I can do here without paying through the nose for business fiber is 100Mbit down/8Mbit up. This is what has kept me from embracing cloud storage, and I'm sure for a huge percentage of the US it's also the reason why cloud storage just isn't feasible for large amounts of data.
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You almost need a whitelist; it's way too easy for someone to spin up a Nextcloud instance on a Docker-friendly cloud host.

Of course, I could also think of plenty of other ways to exfiltrate data even with extremely limited Internet access, but that's for a security team to figure out how to address...

Have a 500/500 mbit line here. iCloud is the slowest of the solutions I use. Onedrive, Google Disk and Jotta Cloud are all faster by quite a lot. And all three let me share folders and have done so for year, plus they are available on all my platforms.
 
You have them all powered up all the time? Other wise worry about stiction. You keep the drives all in one place? Hope you do not have a fire, flood or other natural disaster. How often do you replace your drives? How often do you rotate your backup drives? Do you make sure that the drives come from different lots, so they are not likely to fail at the same time? You also keep them attached to different machines so that a system failure does not wipe the drives, right?

What's your point? That data is never 100% safe? Because then we can move to a cave and stop using computers, is that the solution?

How would a cloud backup solve this problem? Don't know about you, but I can't spend 2 weeks uploading 12 TB of data to the cloud. Life is too short for that.
 
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Which people? Who exactly should Apple listen to? The posters who criticized Apple on macrumors?

I know that's heavily coated in sarcasm but yes, absolutely! They should have someone that monitors forums, what the jailbreaking community is doing, youtubers, reddit etc. We now live in a time where companies can get instant feedback on what their customers like and dislike about a product and correct it and give consumers more incentive to buy there products instead of trying a competitors product. Why on earth would a company not take advantage of that?

Obviously you can't address every little concern but the big ones? Hell's ya.

With being able to use an external storage on an ipad, going back to a modular upgradeable style Mac Pro it does seem like they are at least starting to listen to what customers want. Hopefully it continues.
 
Transferring large video files are of course another story. But that’s still the domain of PC’s and Macs.

And now iPads, if the new OS and iPad Pros are to be believed.

Also, even just on a consumer level your argument doesn't hold water. I've got a modest Olympus mirrorless. It's got wifi transfer but it can easily edge up to a full hour to transfer a bunch of photos and videos that way.

If that's the penalty for wireless transfer for a bunch of measly 16MP photos, how's that gonna work with anyone running a professional DSLR? At some point, you do the obvious thing and plug the SD card into the machine because it's faster. It's not even remotely difficult to imagine plenty of scenarios in which direct wired transfer is gonna be preferable.
 
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If Apple wants to attract, retain, and appease productivity customers (a.k.a. pros) it needs to stop forcing its consumer solutions on pros. Maybe, instead of MacOS, iPadOS, and iOS, there should be only two monikers: iOS and ProOS. Let the customer decide which OS to load on his device. Consumers can use iOS's recreational and walled features on their Macs and phones, while professionals and prosumers can use a flexible, unwalled platform for theirs. Expecting professional-scale applications to use iCloud in their workflows is unrealistic. External drives might be 1990's technology, but the U.S.'s internet standards are largely 1980's.
 
I agree personally, I used to get stuck on things and wouldn't wanna change, but now I use wireless mouse/keyboard even to game, haven't used CDs or DVDs in 15 years, HDDs in 10 years, etc. Progress is good, yes having the options is fine but most people seem to be reluctant to change but if they tried new stuff like wireless transfer they probably wouldn't think it's all that bad and would switch anyways. Apple gets you to that point by forcing it a bit, it's fine imo otherwise I may get stuck on old tech too.

Needed a file system to handle stuff tho, glad they're getting the software side worked out as well, that was needed more.
 
I know that's heavily coated in sarcasm but yes, absolutely! They should have someone that monitors forums, what the jailbreaking community is doing, youtubers, reddit etc. We now live in a time where companies can get instant feedback on what their customers like and dislike about a product and correct it and give consumers more incentive to buy there products instead of trying a competitors product. Why on earth would a company not take advantage of that?

Obviously you can't address every little concern but the big ones? Hell's ya.

With being able to use an external storage on an ipad, going back to a modular upgradeable style Mac Pro it does seem like they are at least starting to listen to what customers want. Hopefully it continues.
It’s an honest question because it seems to be written with some frequency in macrumors that Apple doesn’t listen to its customers. With 250 million customers how does Apple get their requirements?

How does Apple ensure that requirements from a random INternet poster is in apple’s customers best interests?(in general not referring to a specific product)
 
Never have I seen nor heard a Apple user belittle a Windows user (as Windows users belittle Apple users) for using Windows.
You must not get around much.
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I just hear it a lot more from Apple users than I do from Android/Windows users.
I've seen many Apple users over the years say this NEVER happens. Complete and utter BS.
 
Let me get this straight, you think the Senior Vice President of Software Engineering at Apple doesn't work on large projects with tons of assets. Seriously !!!!!
Yeah, I'm sure he's importing frameworks and libraries into Xcode all the time. Not. He is a manager. Managers rarely actually work on the projects themselves but make sure people have the resources they need and that they stay on track and meet deadlines. He's not fiddling with that crap. You think he is? His life is meeting hell. His world is documents and spreadsheets and calendars and assistants helping him manage all of it. You think he wrote a single line of code for iOS 13? You think he designed a single asset? You think he keyframed a single animation or lifted a finger to compose a single sound? Nope, nope, and nope.
 
Simple solution, Apple should add an SD Card Slot. Problem solved. No need to use a wire to connect to ones camera, just remove the SD card and transfer away, one less thing to carry.

But then way fewer people would pony up for a 256 or 512GB iPad, SD card prices being what they are now.
 
Sadly, I think he is too arrogant to understand why people wanted it... AirDrop? LOL...That's not the point!

Yeah, Airdrop is great, but when you work in a place that only has Windows computers and very unreliable WiFi along with bad cell reception, you really need physical storage.

Honestly I think this generation of iPad Pros should have had that functionality on release. I can't imagine that it would have been too hard for Apple to add that in iOS 12...

But at least it's there now!
 
It’s an honest question because it seems to be written with some frequency in macrumors that Apple doesn’t listen to its customers. With 250 million customers how does Apple get their requirements?

How does Apple ensure that requirements from a random INternet poster is in apple’s customers best interests?(in general not referring to a specific product)

You hire some people who can search the internet and read. I'm sure someone at Apple is aware to things like Macrumor's 9 to 5 mac powerful youtube reviewers and if not you higher people who have their finger on that that pulse. They have to kinda skim through this stuff but there is a lot to this type of stuff. Companies used to have to to market research so much more manually. The internet is a market research gift if companies use it properly.
 
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You hire some people who can search the internet and read. I'm sure someone at Apple is aware to things like Macrumor's 9 to 5 mac powerful youtube reviewers and if not you higher people who have their finger on that that pulse. They have to kinda skim through this stuff but there is a lot to this type of stuff. Companies used to have to to market research so much more manually. The internet is a market research gift if companies use it properly.
That's not to say Apple doesn't do any or all of the above. They just don't do it and implement the "feedback" from the sources mentioned in a way that is suitable and/or agreeable for you. And my guess is they look at how products are updated carefully and determine what product updates are strategic for them and result in a product that is cohesive, benefits the consumer and results in sales. That doesn't mean that every internet "suggestion" is a good one. If they all were:

- iphones would have a finger printer, sd card
- one would be able to downgrade ios to a prior version with apple's approval
- there would be multiple ios app stores and apple wouldn't take a 30% cut
- iphones would be cheaper, etc.
- homepod would connect with bluetooth
 
Load of bubkiss

I guess it really depends on what one means when one says “faster and more convenient”.

Were one shooting stills, a camera with 802.11ax would be able to transfer frames while the card was still in the camera as various shots were taken. You would gain the time spent waiting for the shooting to finish to take the card out and do the transfer. That would be faster and more convenient.

Now, Sure, convenience is nice with wireless. But if I'm transferring 200GB, at 500MB/s read right, it will take me about 2 minutes to transfer that TO the drive and about 2 minutes to transfer from the drive. But on WiFi, that transfer is going to take you anywhere from 8 to 15 minutes. Sometimes, convenience doesn't trump performance if time is of the essence.

Again, your example presumes that both transfers do not start until the shoot is finished. WiFi might allow the transfer to happen while the data is being generated, that might make it faster and more convenient.
 
Also, even just on a consumer level your argument doesn't hold water. I've got a modest Olympus mirrorless. It's got wifi transfer but it can easily edge up to a full hour to transfer a bunch of photos and videos that way.

I tried to find which version of the WiFi standard any of the Olympus cameras used, with no luck, but I know that many of the WiFi mirrorless and DSLRs do not support 802.11ac, the current (and much faster) version of the standard. With a WiFi connection, shots can be transferring while one is still shooting, rather than waiting for the shoot to finish. That can speed things quite a bit.

It is just just about the instantaneous transfer speed, but about the workflow as well. It will not always be better, but it will not always be worse either.
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What's your point? That data is never 100% safe?

My point was very simple, keeping a second set of 12TB worth of drives has more issues and costs, then you seem accept. As another poster said on here, keeping your back up in the same space as the original is asking for problems.

How would a cloud backup solve this problem? Don't know about you, but I can't spend 2 weeks uploading 12 TB of data to the cloud. Life is too short for that.

You have stated that you have 12TB of data. I have 27TB on my Dropbox. Just as it took time to create that data, I uploaded it as it was created. I can upload about 90GB an hour or about 2TB a day. Your 12TB would take 6 days. Figuring there were other things uploading, it might take two weeks. Fortunately, the syncing runs in the background and requires no intervention from me. It does mean that I have copies of my data so that I do not have to worry about natural disaster, fire or theft.
 
That's not to say Apple doesn't do any or all of the above. They just don't do it and implement the "feedback" from the sources mentioned in a way that is suitable and/or agreeable for you. And my guess is they look at how products are updated carefully and determine what product updates are strategic for them and result in a product that is cohesive, benefits the consumer and results in sales. That doesn't mean that every internet "suggestion" is a good one. If they all were:

- iphones would have a finger printer, sd card
- one would be able to downgrade ios to a prior version with apple's approval
- there would be multiple ios app stores and apple wouldn't take a 30% cut
- iphones would be cheaper, etc.
- homepod would connect with bluetooth

One does not get product development ideas from random strangers on Internet forums.

Though I am starting to notice a trend with Macrumours. If the critics hate on something here, you know it’s going to sell.

That’s how bad their track record is, and that’s how little they understand Apple.
 
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Apple execs like Federighi have the "smartest guys in the room" mentality. He's on record dismissing touchscreen laptops, while 2-in-1's seem to be fairly popular. Having committed to that position, they come out with the Touch Bar.
Exactly...

Pathetically arrogant.

Many Windows tablets are fully touchscreen as well as the surface Studio.
The only reason they do not want to do Touchscreen MBP is because it can canibilize the iPad sales.
Other than that it makes no sense whatsoever not to have a Laptop fully touchscreen

You can see that the current MBP is one of the worse products Apple ever designed, and no one in their right mind will buy such a badly designed overpriced product.
 
But then way fewer people would pony up for a 256 or 512GB iPad, SD card prices being what they are now.

I believe your comments are taken as sarcasm, however you can add an external SD Card reader and Apple would still be in the situation as you mention. Maybe this means built-in storage prices will come down and base storage increases to 128GB. :eek:;):p
 
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One does not get product development ideas from random strangers on Internet forums.

Though I am starting to notice a trend with Macrumours. If the critics hate on something here, you know it’s going to sell.

That’s how bad their track record is, and that’s how little they understand Apple.

You do not need to understand Apple, to know if a product is good or bad.
The Watch is great and is growing double digits
The MBP is one of the worse products ever designed by Apple, hence why Mac sales are down year over year.
Same with the old trashcan. I do not think Apple will ever release the Mac Pro (trashcan sales numbers) because it will be ridiculous compared to the sales of the old Cheese grater ones.

It took Apple 6 years to aknowledge and recognize their mistake. That is Arrogance at its best.
Was Apple right...? NO

Apple does some great things. THough, it is pathetic that many Apple blind supporters, cannot recognize when Apple does something bad, even if Apple apologizes for their mistakes...
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It’s an honest question because it seems to be written with some frequency in macrumors that Apple doesn’t listen to its customers. With 250 million customers how does Apple get their requirements?

How does Apple ensure that requirements from a random INternet poster is in apple’s customers best interests?(in general not referring to a specific product)

It is very easy. That is why they have testers that provide feedback or have focus group of experienced users. But many times Apple arrogance is beyond any user's need sacrificing functionality over lame design.
No one cares how much thinner or lighter an MBP can be if you cannot type or have connectivity or do basic upgrades such as RAM.

2 perfect examples.
1- Trashcan MAc Pro. A massive failure.
2- the current MBP (2016+ ).

If you recall in 2016, after Apple released the MBP, the reviews and response were so bad, that Apple discounted the entire line of adaptors more than 50%.
 
You do not need to understand Apple, to know if a product is good or bad.
The Watch is great and is growing double digits
The MBP is one of the worse products ever designed by Apple, hence why Mac sales are down year over year.
Same with the old trashcan. I do not think Apple will ever release the Mac Pro (trashcan sales numbers) because it will be ridiculous compared to the sales of the old Cheese grater ones.

And yet the airpods and Apple Watch were subject to much criticism and skepticism when they were released.

The number of times anyone here mentions design: zero.

Even with decades of experience building products and integrating hardware, software, and services, you can still decide to make a smartphone with a hardware keyboard, netbook, circular smartwatch, or a foldable phone. The reason why Apple has not made any of these, and instead created iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, AirPods, and is now working of Glasses, is design.

Design is the magic ingredience, with Apple designers calling the shots, and searching for and having technology made to serve the product experience, not engineers excited about about new hot tech and trying to turn it into a product. Apple Glasses vs. foldable phones is the latest example of Apple's design culture leading to an entirely different product than what engineering-led companies are doing.

The fact that people ridicule the Apple Watch band is proof that they simply don’t understand how Apple’s design-led culture, while not perfect, is what has made it one of the most successful companies in the world.

Remember when it was once believed that Apple’s focus on privacy would put them at a disadvantage compared to companies like google and facebook? Look at how the tables have turned now.

Remind me how many units the surface studio sold again?

“Voice assistants are the future”, was the common refrain when the amazon echo was released. Today, they are a gimmick used for streaming music and asking trivia.

And then we had the whole fiasco with samsung and their folding phone.

History is littered with tons of examples of naysayers claiming that Apple was doomed unless it aped the competition, but then it turns out that what the competition did isn’t what the mass market wanted in the first place.

Apple continues to be misunderstood because it’s simply not a conventional tech company in the traditional sense. Nobody here really understands what makes Apple uniquely Apple.

Not that it matters much in the greater scheme of things.
 
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You do not need to understand Apple, to know if a product is good or bad.
The Watch is great and is growing double digits
The MBP is one of the worse products ever designed by Apple, hence why Mac sales are down year over year.
Same with the old trashcan. I do not think Apple will ever release the Mac Pro (trashcan sales numbers) because it will be ridiculous compared to the sales of the old Cheese grater ones.

It took Apple 6 years to aknowledge and recognize their mistake. That is Arrogance at its best.
Was Apple right...? NO

Apple does some great things. THough, it is pathetic that many Apple blind supporters, cannot recognize when Apple does something bad, even if Apple apologizes for their mistakes...
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It is very easy. That is why they have testers that provide feedback or have focus group of experienced users. But many times Apple arrogance is beyond any user's need sacrificing functionality over lame design.
No one cares how much thinner or lighter an MBP can be if you cannot type or have connectivity or do basic upgrades such as RAM.

2 perfect examples.
1- Trashcan MAc Pro. A massive failure.
2- the current MBP (2016+ ).

If you recall in 2016, after Apple released the MBP, the reviews and response were so bad, that Apple discounted the entire line of adaptors more than 50%.
I did mention not specifically referring to any product. But OK, it's clear you are not enamored with the computer line-up.
 
I'm not too proud to respond. I agree; Apple management is arrogant and, unlike Steve, can't back out of a mistake. That butterfly keyboard is all the proof you need.
Steve was in the mix for the most arrogant person on the planet. Remember you’re holding it wrong?
 
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