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Anytime anyone says 'I want touchscreen laptop' all I can think about is this


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I take it you don't own an iPhone then?
 
You've used it extensively in order to come to this conclusion, right?

I don't have to.
I never look at my keyboard.
Muscle memory.
Every time I will have to look down and check WHAT is it that I'm pressing OR press something else to press another thing then look back up and back down again and up and down and down cause I missclicked and up sounds like a back to stoneage idea just to make sure turds buy it.
Why would I lower efficiency of my workflow?
Stupid is not my thing.
 
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Very cool, but I wonder how much it will actually be leveraged since desktop users don't have that functionality ... and many people on a desktop computer will never resort to using a tethered keyboard.

It is surprising that Apple didn't also release a stand-alone keyboard with this feature baked in. I could have imagined that being a nice Christmas present for users of existing Macs, and it certainly would prompt more widespread development.
 
People call anything new a gimmick until they try it. It's just a fear of new things, and of course to score internet points because everyone knows it's cool to hate things on the internet.

The reality of it is none of these people commenting on here have even tried using it yet, and when they eventually do I bet most will of them will love it.

don't bet...people with extensive experience in working years with Macs, figure out quite quickly what's good and what's bad...
 
I don't have to.
I never look at my keyboard.
Muscle memory.
Every time I will have to look down and check WHAT is it that I'm pressing OR press something else to press another thing then look back up and back down again and up and down and down cause I missclicked and up sounds like a back to stoneage idea just to make sure turds buy it.
Why would I lower efficiency of my workflow?
Stupid is not my thing.

There are guidelines about what goes where, so I would guess that the controls you actually need while touch-typing would be where you expect them to be.
 
I take it you down own an iPhone then?

I have iPhone and iPad, and the fingerprint marks drive me spare, but those devices are only for recreational use though so it doesn't matter too much. My work monitors are flawless though, as work monitors should be.
 
Very cool, but I wonder how much it will actually be leveraged since desktop users don't have that functionality ... and many people on a desktop computer will never resort to using a tethered keyboard.

What makes you think there won't be a separate keyboard with touch bar available in the future?

When Apple announced their first computer that had, say, FireWire or USB ports, did you assume other Apple computers released later would not have those ports?
 
it's a lame duck. It isn't needed. It doesn't solve a problem and it actually introduces problems. For anyone who works intensively with their machine it adds nothing. Even as a gimmick to sell to the wealthy casual user, I think it is underwhelming.

You've used it extensively in order to come to this conclusion, right?

I don't have to.
I never look at my keyboard.
Muscle memory.
Every time I will have to look down and check WHAT is it that I'm pressing OR press something else to press another thing then look back up and back down again and up and down and down cause I missclicked and up sounds like a back to stoneage idea just to make sure turds buy it.
Why would I lower efficiency of my workflow?
Stupid is not my thing.

Sorry you lost me on the first line.
 
LOL.
Microsoft ribbon is rubbish.

for basic quick things you need, a floating bar that activates with a swipe of a finger (gesture customised by you) in a directed area you wish, it's a complete different meal....
 
There are guidelines about what goes where, so I would guess that the controls you actually need while touch-typing would be where you expect them to be.

I'm not sure how can you do that without actually feeling the shape of the button underneath your finger.
Plus I use nearly 40 shortcuts in apps like Maya. Why would I even consider having to look down if most of my PRO software requires to use the mouse/pen anyway.
Such a assbackward move. It's a gimmick. DJ with your finger... ROFL.
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Sorry you lost me on the first line.

Because you have no idea what I am talking about.
I guess PRO for you means shopping on amazon.
I never look at the keyboard. WHY would I go backwards and slow down my workflow?
 
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Because you have no idea what I am talking about.
I guess PRO for you means shopping on amazon.
I never look at the keyboard. WHY would I go backwards and slow down my workflow?

End of the day you've not even used it so your opinion is void. Sorry.
 
The touch bar is silly. As a designer I want to interact with my models on screen. Making my Wacom tablet obsolete. As much as I love Mac, maybe it's time to let go. The Surface studio and book have so much more potential.

Same for me. Apple needs to go all in, and go touch screen already. Small touch bar, is just dumb. I like the surface studio, but the low internal specs are ridiculous and that price ouch. If they would have made it so the pc would disconnect from the monitor, so we could upgrade to the next model without the sticker shock again, would have been a big win. I for one will be holding out for version 2.
 
End of the day you've not even used it so your opinion is void. Sorry.

Right. Go buy some old tech with a tiny bar and let me know how did that improve your workflow lulz.
Besides I was waiting for that keynote as I was in need of several workstations.
Well Surface Studio seems way more appealing for my designers so they got those coming in.
As simple as that. I don't care about the logo. What I want is improved workflow for my employees and if they get excited about the Surface and already explore the possibilities then next day laugh at apple emoji bar then I know which means potential progress and which means toy. Efficiency is what I look at. This is my benchmark and I do not need to use it just to see the absurd flaws of the design.
 
True, good find. But the complaining is much less than this time around.
There were many negative and many positive voices in the thread you posted. Now it's only negative (95%).
Check out thread below. From 2008 when unibody Macs were announced. Lots of complaints, including about pricing.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-announces-new-aluminum-macbooks.580479/
ok...but what's the limit of the price people are gonna get mad? Steve Jobs $10k's NEXT? :) after 2008, prices remained at the same maximum threshold...over that threshold, the vessel is sinking and people may run (Steve Jobs' experience)....I think that the complaints, 95%, are not essentially for the touch bar and connectors but for the NEW prices.....Apple products are already expensive even they are durable....it's already a BIG effort for many mac users to upgrade....they will find themselves out of the macOS that they really love.....and that is depressing!
 
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I take it you don't own an iPhone then?
I do. I clean it by rubbing it on my shirt-belly several times a day.

Its used a phone, planner, chat device, casual entertainment. Its not used as professional creative design equipment.

The touch screen on the phone is still a compromise because of limited size. I do not like reaching and touching my primary display on a laptop. Some do. Its great we have choice.

For tasks where touch control directly on an image is useful, and there are such, a tablet connected as an input device is preferable and more flexible. The Surface is an interesting direction with the removable keyboard. But many of these , including the removable keyboard on iPad are very poor for typing with the device in your lap.
 
IMO calling Touch Bar 'amazing' is just silly; I see the 'emoji bar' (sorry ) as an unnecessary gimmick.

Let me explain: I'm going out on a limb here with some craaaazy thinking (or is it Think Different?).

With the new trackpad being so large Apple could have just as easily, maybe even more easily, made the dock customizable per application and perform exactly the same function(s) as the Touch Bar, only on screen and with user adjustable opacity.
 
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Microsoft is not stupid anymore....Apple should combine (various sizes): A detachable screen with the iPad (iOS) components in the back of it and a keyboard with a MacBook (macOS) underneath. The best combo: 2 in 1. iOS and macOS should stay individual but combine on apps that require that. In the end, you need the iPad (switch a button for the iOS system), you take the screen (with a pen, eventually) and do your stuff. You need the MacBook power and its specific apps, you attach the screen to keyboard (MacBook) switch the button for macOS and go on. You need both operating systems on the same display on apps that work together, you can use the split screen or underneath connections between systems. Of course, things can go more complex and they need to figure out the best links between them. No cannibalisation. This very simplistic view can go big. That should be the future. Not the gimmicks we see today. Apart from this, they will see a boom in apps created by developers for both environments. Than you can sell it to me starting at $2.500 in any sizes you think is proper.
This would be immense, expensive, but immense. The iPad Pro is 6.9mm 'thin' with a brilliant display and touch interface. Design a connection that would allow a Mac to drive the display and use the touch input and you'd really get the best of both worlds.

Alternatively have a native 'trackpad' mode for the iPad that would turn it into a context aware second screen/tablet input for MacOS with, if you're using an iPad Pro, full Apple Pencil support!
 
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MKBHD: Craig, did you know that before the iPhone 6 event I used a saphire crystal display "leaked" from an Apple factory to gain views on YouTube? I made a ton of money!

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Pros
4GB VRam
Faster Ports
new design brighter display
new keyboard butterfly 2.0
new speakers
I really like the much bigger touch pad
Faster hard drive

Cons
No 32GB Ram capability
(this for me it´s crucial, and for the price, they should give us all the ram)
No 4K Display (HP and Lenovo offers 4k displays in their mobile workstations)
No Magsafe (This was like a signature on the Mac laptops)
Adaptors for everything

If Apple thinks that putting 32GB ram would make the iMac or the Mac Pro look less desirable, just increase the iMac and Mac Pro capabilities.

Give us the 32 GB option And the machine will be a best seller.
 
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This would be immense, expensive, but immense. The iPad Pro is 6.9mm 'thin' with a brilliant display and touch interface. Design a connection that would allow a Mac to drive the display and use the touch input and you'd really get the best of both worlds.

Alternatively have a native 'trackpad' mode for the iPad that would turn it into a context aware second screen/tablet input for MacOS with, if you're using an iPad Pro, full Apple Pencil support!

when the iPad type of device will diminish as importance (see sales decline continuously) we may see a combo device iOS and macOS, independent to each other but with possibility of working together at some levels....we take off iPhone from this equation because we need its size in a pocket...but the iPhone will greatly benefit in future connections with the MacBook and iMac (macOS) because of the direction of the development between the macOS and iOS on the same machine: MacBook
 
And sorry a machine which costs 2.000 bucks + should have a 4k display in 2016.
So many posts with pixel fixation on 13-15 inch screens. Do these people not see the significant improvements made over the existing excellent display? Pixel density is only one factor among many in image quality. I think I will go look at it next to some other machines? Maybe they tested the available technology and chose image quality over a number?

Maybe you can find an amplifier that goes to 11? Because sound quality = an integer.
 
I reserve judgment on the Touch Bar until I actually get to use it in Nov when my new MBP arrives. The multi-touch and gesture possibilities of the bar are certainly far above what other manufacturers have attempted in the past, but it's going to be up to application developers to make good use of the bar else it will be relegated to gimmick for sure. I would look for a new Magic Keyboard with the integrated Touch Bar in the future, but possibly at a scary price, too.

I am disappointed in the pricing though. IMO true innovation is introducing something new and useful near the same or lower price point as before. Apple should want more users of the MBP, not fewer, since this price hike has the real potential of scaring away new and existing users.
 
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