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Apple if they really come with the rumours iphone 90% same design, with no real big change they need at least come up with nice updates for entire mac line up and make iphone 7 with 64 128 and 256
 
The reason for this is mostly Cellular networks disbanding the 2 year upgrade. So now it's more expensive to purchase a device.
 
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Of course not! If it achieves DSLR-like image quality, it will do it by using different technology.

Yeah, the keyword there being "if". As great as some smartphone photos can be, anyone who uses a DSLR can see the difference in quality, and the sensor is what makes it. Still, this could make it have the best smartphone camera quality, and I'd be intrigued by that.
 
Ming-Chi Kuo .... Enough said
What a load of .........

I do wish people would stop quoting him

Why is this a story? Three months ago, Apple said their revenues will be $50B to $53B. That's what it will be. I'm sure all analysts are idiots who can't seem to hold on to facts from companies like Apple, who accurately predict their sales and financials.

What will Apple do in the future, wait until Apple tells us next Tuesday!
 
Am I surprised iPhone sales are decreasing? Not at all. Everyone who wants one, has one, and there isn't much innovation (must-have new features) in the new models to make people want to spend another $1000. As the years progress, Apple's lack of creating truly new products will start to show on their bottom line, like it is now with the iPhone. Apple's insistence on NOT LISTENING to what it's customers want and don't want (we're done with thinness and 1 port and removing the headphone jack) will be their demise.

YES. Pin that one.

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Plus the lacking iOS innovation. Design? No.

Why is the springboard still the same?
Why have the same UI elements just drawn minimalistic? (Important rant might follow later)
Why no real storage management? (iCloud Documents are copied into App sandboxes, try it if you don't understand)
Why have crappy multitasking in 2016? (Relates to UI elements available)
Why no multi-user or privacy mode? (Try lending a phone to someone for a minute)
Why there's no shared document space for Apps from different devs?
Why can't I send data to Apps to trigger them (sharing is not is)?
Why can't an App re-use a GUI element (i.e a mail composer) from an installed app?

People not familiar with App development might think I'm talking BS.
But I'm not.

Apps could benefit a lot from sharing data / caches and talking to other apps while multitasking.
This has to come, and not only by drag and drop.
Otherwise the iPad Pro move makes no sense.

Just talking about GUI changes and having more and more gestures that are hard to understand or trigger is NOT a change in functionality. The underlying technology needs to make use of the available resources.
 
I will say it again. It's a bad time to own apple stock. High us dollar, lack of innovation in their key product, saturation of their main markets, failure in India, carriers phasing out subsidies, and updates becoming more incremental are big issues
 
Hmm...I'm not so sure it's a coincidence all this iPhone doom and gloom is coming out a few days before earnings. Someone needs to drive the stock price down. We know nothing about the iPhone 7 (if that's even what Apple will call it) but yet this dude knows it's going to be underwhelming and underperform the market? Based on what?

Hmmmm. All the analysts send out reports about the stocks they cover to their clients ahead of earnings calls. Been going on that way forever. But in this case, hmmmm. It must be a conspiracy. Hmmmm.
 
Skeptical about the article. Apple will likely decline over time, so will Amazon, Google, Facebook and all the major market leaders today. It's the nature of business and innovation. Some will evolve and transform, while others will decline and fade into obscurity. But I don't think any of those companies, including Apple, have hit the high mark yet.
 
All these predictions are based on assumptions, and if you have a consultant friend, you know that most of it are BS. These consultants have to set up "problems" so they can offer their service as the "solutions."

Setting that aside.

Apple is fine if you look at profit margin. Who cares about market share when you are making more money than all your competitors combined.
As far as innovations, Apple is ahead of the others. Just look at the A9. Look at how the A9 perform and its battery life vs any other Android phones. iPhone with dual core A9 can perform head-to-head or even better than Android phones carrying 8-cores and much larger battery.

Having said that, I do think Apple needs to bolt down their quality on the software. Recent iOs and OS X releases have unacceptable bugs that imo should have been ironed out. Apple keeps saying that its unique selling point is its tight integration between software and hardware, so those bugs are inexcusable.

Apple is lucky that the rest of its competitors are still flailing around piling on features, and disregarding their brand. Samsung is the only one that kinda gets it. And I hope Apple doesn't get complacent. The movement of some people off Apple may not be a good sign.
 
Yeah, the keyword there being "if". As great as some smartphone photos can be, anyone who uses a DSLR can see the difference in quality, and the sensor is what makes it. Still, this could make it have the best smartphone camera quality, and I'd be intrigued by that.

"DSLR-like quality" is a phrase definitely pushed by marketing, but the gap is getting smaller. Cell phone cameras are taking better and better pictures every year. They're obviously not as good as DSLRs yet, but it's probably just a matter of time. 20 years ago no one could have imagined taking such incredible pictures with such a tiny camera embedded in an ultra portable handheld device. 20 years ago, even DSLRs couldn't match the quality of film SLRs.

And what's even more important here is that most amateur photographers who buy entry level DSLRs will probably be able to take just as good of pictures on their iPhones in just a few years, which is huge. My wife spent $1,000 on a DSLR but being that she's not an experienced professional photographer, the quality of her pictures is only slightly better on her DSLR. Even though iPhone cameras may never truly be "DSLR-like quality", the pictures taken by the vast majority of people will probably be just as good on near-future cell phones as if they used DSLR cameras.
 
YES. Pin that one.

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Plus the lacking iOS innovation. Design? No.

Why is the springboard still the same?
Why have the same UI elements just drawn minimalistic? (Important rant might follow later)
Why no real storage management? (iCloud Documents are copied into App sandboxes, try it if you don't understand)
Why have crappy multitasking in 2016? (Relates to UI elements available)
Why no multi-user or privacy mode? (Try lending a phone to someone for a minute)
Why there's no shared document space for Apps from different devs?
Why can't I send data to Apps to trigger them (sharing is not is)?
Why can't an App re-use a GUI element (i.e a mail composer) from an installed app?

People not familiar with App development might think I'm talking BS.
But I'm not.

Apps could benefit a lot from sharing data / caches and talking to other apps while multitasking.
This has to come, and not only by drag and drop.
Otherwise the iPad Pro move makes no sense.

Just talking about GUI changes and having more and more gestures that are hard to understand or trigger is NOT a change in functionality. The underlying technology needs to make use of the available resources.


It certainly is weird that their phones have the computing power of macbook and yet the OS still is just so barebones. They really don't need to make the CPUs faster if the operating system isn't going to become more advanced
 
And what's even more important here is that most amateur photographers who buy entry level DSLRs will probably be able to take just as good of pictures on their iPhones in just a few years, which is huge. My wife spent $1,000 on a DSLR but being that she's not an experienced professional photographer, the quality of her pictures is only slightly better on her DSLR. Even though iPhone cameras may never truly be "DSLR-like quality", the pictures taken by the vast majority of people will probably be just as good on near-future cell phones as if they used DSLR cameras.

Well, I'm not an experienced professional photographer either, but the photos I take with my DSLR are significantly ahead in quality of iPhone photos, especially when I see them through Lightroom or on my Adobe RGB monitor. Look, I'm not saying that for people who aren't into photography that the iPhone and other Smartphones won't be a perfectly good replacement for an expensive camera, but even non-professional photographers can see the significant difference in quality and a phone isn't going to replace my camera any time soon (or ever, if you're into adjusting aperture and shutter speed and all the things that affect quality that you can't adjust with a smartphone).

Believe me, I'm all for phones increasing their camera quality. I'm just not going to pretend that it's a camera-replacement for someone who really cares about image quality and using a nice camera and all its available fine-tuning and adjustment (and you don't have to be a professional to care about that).
 
Apple's success seems to have them complacent. I can see the iPhone going the same way as the blackberry. Technology is changing, and Apple's rivals have much better phones at lower price points. Playing catch up every year isn't going to cut it long term. iPhone 7 must be a radical improvement or I for one will switch to better alternatives.

The same goes for their computer lineup as well, honestly. A $1,500 iMac with a 5200RPM hard drive and integrated graphics is about as insulting as a 16GB $700 "flagship" phone with less RAM and processing power than their competitors. As is a $1300+ MacBook with a mobile processor, a single port, and virtually no graphics.


I agree with you on the above statement. Now, those are facts, not fiction!
 
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The Galaxy S7 Edge would definitely tempt me over an iPhone 6s Plus if I didn't already own the iPhone. Curved screen, OLED display, better camera, waterproofing etc.

The downside is: you'd have to use Android.

What's the benefit of a curved screen?
 
You can buy as many 2nd tier manufacturers as desired, I will stay with Apple.

Which is the point of what the article and many here are saying. The choices available today are so different than say 3 years ago.

I don't see why people need to defend Apple. They will survive and have billions in the bank. It's simply choice and what's important to each individual. For some it's a phone, for some it may be a car or name brand suit.
 
Has nothing to do with anything. The original iPhone was quickly supplanted with version two. The post I was responding to had to do with the claim the Watch was going to be the next revolutionary product, it isn't even close. You can choose to believe otherwise, but the Watch isn't going to be the product to make up for the stagnating phone market.

You realize they sold more watches than the original iPhone?
 
They tried the gaming console venture with the Bandai Pippin. It didn't do well. That's not to say they won't ever try again, but a lot of people are predicting a decline in console gaming in the coming years, and being that even Nintendo is having a difficult time competing with Sony and Microsoft, I somewhat doubt Apple will try again any time soon.

A lot of people have been "predicting a decline in console gaming" for the past 20 years. :eek:

It is always going to be easier to buy and turn on a box to play the latest games an a large screen from your couch than to try to configure a PC to do the same or try to game on a 6" smartphone using a touchscreen (with your fingers covering up the playing field on top of that).

It is personal preference. I prefer games from a couch using a controller, then games on a PC/laptop with a screen at least 12" in size, then dedicated handhelds.

I've taken all the games off my iphone and tablets, especially when I got a used 3DS XL on Gamestop's holiday special for $100.
 
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Market saturation is fine. It's the stock market that sucks.

The iPhone is a fine product that's making massive profits and will continue to sell in large amounts.
And yet just because of ridiculous shareholder expectations they have to keep growing.
Our whole economy is based on continuous growth. In that frame of reference, it's hard to say that shareholder expectations are "ridiculous."
 
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