iPhone XR Did the iPhone XR flop? [MERGED]

[44267547]

How many us hang around with fellow tech geeks from Mac Rumours fishing for kudos because of a certain model iPhone though lol?

I remember you liked the 8, which I have a 8 Plus as a work phone for names sake. I think you’re making a different point from from my post. You don’t have to be a tech geek to understand the iPhone has always had a strong following each and every year. Thousands of iPhone enthusiasts line up every year for the latest iPhone, and they are not nearly as affiliated with the iPhone specifications as I and some others are on here. The iPhone to me isn’t a relevant part of my life, but I enjoy having the latest tech, it’s not a status symbol for me, but it is for others.

 

[Broadus]

I'm on my third smartphone: a 4S in 2011, 6s in 2015, and now a XR.

I remember you liked the 8, which I have a 8 Plus for names sake. I think you’re making a different point from from my post. You don’t have to be a tech geek to understand the iPhone has always had a strong following each and every year. Thousands of iPhone enthusiasts line up every year for the latest iPhone, and they are not nearly as affiliated with the iPhone specifications as I and some others are on here. The iPhone to me isn’t a relevant part of my life, but I enjoy having the latest tech, it’s not a status symbol for me, but it is for others.

I own an iPhone because of the integration of Apple devices, the quality of both hardware and software, and Apple customer service. The perception that owning an iPhone is a status symbol (it evidently is to many) is enough to make me look for something else, and cheaper to boot.

However, I cannot find a good alternative combination of phone, tablet, and laptop, so I stay with Apple. I don’t need to upgrade often and find that even with our fairly frugal budget Apple is a better buy than going elsewhere.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I remember you liked the 8, which I have a 8 Plus as a work phone for names sake. I think you’re making a different point from from my post. You don’t have to be a tech geek to understand the iPhone has always had a strong following each and every year. Thousands of iPhone enthusiasts line up every year for the latest iPhone, and they are not nearly as affiliated with the iPhone specifications as I and some others are on here. The iPhone to me isn’t a relevant part of my life, but I enjoy having the latest tech, it’s not a status symbol for me, but it is for others.

I did like the 8 but ended up getting it’s bigger brother. Sorry I just laugh at the status symbol thing as it’s so far removed from perceptions where I live. It feels like a false status as pretty much anybody can get an iPhone these days. A status symbol generally is something that shows hard work and wealth and an iPhone is a very cheap status symbol if it has the be labelled as such.

Nobody denies the iPhone is popular each year, perhaps not as popular as it once was due to less people buying but still popular.

 

[44267547]

Sorry I just laugh at the status symbol thing as it’s so far removed from perceptions where I live.

No need to apologize. I don’t want to derail the thread, because that’s not really what this topic is about, it’s about the XR success/failure. But just to end this, the iPhone _is_ a status symbol, and it always has been in terms of not just popularity for being the ‘Latest’, but because of its “Steve Jobs” following that started it all. As I mentioned, it’s not just about Tech enthusiasts discussing the iPhone on Macrumors, hundreds of thousands of people across the world line up to have the iPhone days in advance more than any other smart phone on the market, what does that tell you? Regardless, no other smart phone has a craze like the iPhone does in that respect.

Not taking account with what demographic you live in, some just want to have the latest iPhone because it has an ‘Apple logo’ on it, that’s the reality of how popular the iPhone is. We all have different values why we like the iPhone, and mine are similar To what Broadus mentioned above. It’s just a matter of perception.

 

[chad.petree]

Yes!

That’s still -240 euro less than the iPhone X 64GB from last year.

$749 is exactly the same price as the iPhone 6+ was in 2014 or a hundred more than the iPhone 5s. I think this increase for bigger phones is justified given the technology. Otherwise you can pick up an iPhone SE for $250.

Nope, the iphone xr is a completely different phone, inferior in many ways to the X , if you want to make a fairer comparison, you would have to compare the iphone X with the iphone xs , and it didn't get any cheaper.

Why do you insist on making excuses for apple?

 

[Gudi]

Nope, the iphone xr is a completely different phone, inferior in many ways to the X , if you want to make a fairer comparison, you would have to compare the iphone X with the iphone xs , and it didn't get any cheaper.

X, Xs and Xs Max are simply a new line of luxury OLED phones with no connection to the pricing of previous (and future) LCD iPhones.

However the new edge-to-edge design and Face ID technology cost a quarter less than last year. You don’t pay a single dollar more for the Xr than you did for the 6+ four years ago. It’s entirely your problem, if OLED is something you absolutely must have.

 

[decafjava]

X, Xs and Xs Max are simply a new line of luxury OLED phones with no connection to the pricing of previous (and future) LCD iPhones.

However the new edge-to-edge design and Face ID technology cost a quarter less than last year. You don’t pay a single dollar more for the Xr than you did for the 6+ four years ago. It’s entirely your problem, if OLED is something you absolutely must have.

Hmmm except 3D touch and double lens (with superior portrait mode) were part of the previous LCD lineup.

 

[smoking monkey]

X, Xs and Xs Max are simply a new line of luxury OLED phones with no connection to the pricing of previous (and future) LCD iPhones.

However the new edge-to-edge design and Face ID technology cost a quarter less than last year. You don’t pay a single dollar more for the Xr than you did for the 6+ four years ago. It’s entirely your problem, if OLED is something you absolutely must have.

I bought the 6S+ 64gig for about 110,000yen in 2015 when it was released. The XR runs at 100,000yen for 128gig. I think that makes it a really great upgrade for 6/6s owners.

I'm still on the fence re XR and Max. Leaning toward XR at the moment, but 12.1.1 could sway me to the Max.

Hmmm except 3D touch and double lens (with superior portrait mode) were part of the previous LCD lineup.

But is it a superior portrait mode? Certainly not in low light conditions and many of the pro photographers on Youtube pick the XR portraits over both the XS and Pixel 3. Sure it's people only at this point unless you get Halide, but it shows the XR's camera is pretty impressive.

 

[MyMacintosh]

This just came out this morning:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...hone-assembler-is-said-to-plan-deep-cost-cuts

 

[azentropy]

Flop? no. Much lower than Apple's expectations? Sure looks like it. I really think Apple misjudged the market by not providing a lower cost and smaller form factor option. A ~5.1" XR smaller and lighter than the XS for $649 (or 32gb model at $599) would have sold like hotcakes. Hopefully they are working on it.

 

[decafjava]

Flop? no. Much lower than Apple's expectations? Sure looks like it. I really think Apple misjudged the market by not providing a lower cost and smaller form factor option. A ~5.1" XR smaller and lighter than the XS for $649 (or 32gb model at $599) would have sold like hotcakes. Hopefully they are working on it.

Right, I think they would do well to make and market a successor to the SE.

 

[tromboneaholic]

Flop? no. Much lower than Apple's expectations? Sure looks like it. I really think Apple misjudged the market by not providing a lower cost and smaller form factor option. A ~5.1" XR smaller and lighter than the XS for $649 (or 32gb model at $599) would have sold like hotcakes. Hopefully they are working on it.

The original SE was introduced in March.

A Spring event next year would be a good time to introduce the rumored iPad Mini update alongside an iPhone XE (or whatever name they give it). Throw in a MacBook spec bump / Touch ID addition, and they have an event highlighting their most portable form factors.

 

[OTACORB]

Is this like dejavu from previous years? But who knows maybe this is the year the greed catches up to Apple!

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Is this like dejavu from previous years? But who knows maybe this is the year the greed catches up to Apple!

I’d like to think there’s a lot of head scratching at Cupertino;

‘Why are so many people not buying our £1k phones and upgrading every year???’

 

[MacCheeseLai]

Figured it would be a repeat of history, flashbacks to 5c. For this phone, it should have had a cheaper sticker price for its tech and not tried so hard to compete with its more expensive siblings. $300 bucks tops. I mean yeah it came in pretty colors but that’s nbd when you have cases or decals in any color that you want.

Also, the timing was all wrong for the phone. It should have come out last year with the X imo. As a cheaper alternative to the $1,000 phone.

 

[iZeljko]

I've purchased the XR for my wife to replace her faulty SE.
She refused to use the XR as it is to big for her so I replaced my 6+ with the XR.

In first few hours I've noticed how nice it is to have a phone that has changed only so slightly from the 6+.
Ok, there is no home button, but that I've picked up very quickly with gestures. So transition was not impacting my iPhone usage.

The biggest change came in Camera and speed field.
Oh my God what a change that was!

I have made few portraits in the portrait mode and the photos were nice, but what has shocked me is the ammount of details on the photo once I've zoomed in! You can recognise people in the reflection of the glasses of the person you took the portrait of. Just amazing!

I need to ask if these people do not mind me sharing a picture of them - I'll certainly drop it here if they haven't got a problem.

Everyone at that event had a jaw drop after seeing my photos taken with the XR. And I have had my Cannon 6D with some fancy 16-36mm f2,8L and 70-200 f2,8 L lenses there. So the iPhone XR is a clear winner of an iPhone if you ask me!

 

[44267547]

‘Why are so many people not buying our £1k phones and upgrading every year???’

You’re kind off topic, in relation to the thread title, the XR is not a $1000 phone, it’s a $750 iPhone.

Also, analysts don’t have inside information to Apple sales or supply chains, there might be negativity surrounding the XR, but Long term, it will be a successful phone with those upgrading from older Gen iPhones.

 

[Emtbill]

Slow down maybe, but not a flop.

 

[x34]

ugly looking thick smartphone with a poor display for the price is hopefully a flop.

 

[Zimmy68]

I think today's front page story cements the answer.

Re-start iPhone X production? YIKES!!!
Apple really missed projections on this device, badly.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

You’re kind off topic, in relation to the thread title, the XR is not a $1000 phone, it’s a $750 iPhone.

Also, analysts don’t have inside information to Apple sales or supply chains, there might be negativity surrounding the XR, but Long term, it will be a successful phone with those upgrading from older Gen iPhones.

I’m sure we’ve all made an off topic post in this thread if we search back, including yourself but point taken.

I expect the XR to still be the most successful of this years releases due to its lower price point. There’s plenty of reports to suggest general interest across the industry has shrunk though so Apple are no immune to it.

 

[thadoggfather]

Figured it would be a repeat of history, flashbacks to 5c. For this phone, it should have had a cheaper sticker price for its tech and not tried so hard to compete with its more expensive siblings. $300 bucks tops. I mean yeah it came in pretty colors but that’s nbd when you have cases or decals in any color that you want.

Also, the timing was all wrong for the phone. It should have come out last year with the X imo. As a cheaper alternative to the $1,000 phone.

Not sure I follow why it should have come out last year? An A11 8+ and an A11 XR and an A11 X would make no sense imo. The line would be further blurred

The alternative to Xr, in 2018, is still a $1,000+ phone. It’s the XS or ‘Excess’ ... or if thats not enough, $1,100 for the XS Max or ‘Excess MAX’

 

[MacCheeseLai]

Well, they could have skipped the 8th generation completely and had the X and the Xr instead.

I had a 8plus and while it wasn’t a bad phone except it refused to connect to my watch properly and I thought it was because of the age of the watch (first gen sport). The max had no problem connecting to the watch even though there is so many generations between them.

Also, the Xr is not on the same level as the X or XMax. Not with that screen rez. If it was, it wouldn’t be 750 bucks. Lol

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

Well, they could have skipped the 8th generation completely and had the X and the Xr instead.

I had a 8plus and while it wasn’t a bad phone except it refused to connect to my watch properly and I thought it was because of the age of the watch (first gen sport). The max had no problem connecting to the watch even though there is so many generations between them.

Also, the Xr is not on the same level as the X or XMax. Not with that screen rez. If it was, it wouldn’t be 750 bucks. Lol

$750 isn’t exactly cheap though, it’s still a premium price and side by side to a lot of people there is barely any difference in screen quality. It’s one of those observations where it bothers some people but not others I think.

My 8+ doesn’t have issues connecting to my AW either so I guess you got unlucky with yours.

 

[Broadus]

$750 isn’t exactly cheap though, it’s still a premium price and side by side to a lot of people there is barely any difference in screen quality. It’s one of those observations where it bothers some people but not others I think.

Most reviewers seem to be saying the same thing: get the XR. The extra that the XS and Max bring to the table is not worth the extra in price. In addition, they are practically unanimous in saying that comparisons with the 5c are way all the mark.