Yeah, but it's the $200 gouging for the additional 128GB I’m not willing to pay.
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iPhone XR Did the iPhone XR flop? [MERGED]
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"Flop" is relative. Ming-Chi Quo said 70 million now estimate. What other modern single phone sells 70 million?
You think the Galaxy 8, 8+, 9, 9+, note 8, Note 9, Pixel 2 or XL sold close to 70 million? Maybe if you put a few of those together you get 70 million units sold.
Any manufacturer would kill to sell 70 million of a single phone.
You think the Galaxy 8, 8+, 9, 9+, note 8, Note 9, Pixel 2 or XL sold close to 70 million? Maybe if you put a few of those together you get 70 million units sold.
Any manufacturer would kill to sell 70 million of a single phone.
I’ve tried every single iPhone currently available — here’s my ranking of the 7 iPhones you can buy right now
9 reasons you should buy the iPhone XR instead of an iPhone XS or XS Max
I think the XR will be a great success as far as sales go, but a lot of budget-conscious folk will go for earlier models. But will we ever really know for sure unless Apple releases sales information for the individual models?
9 reasons you should buy the iPhone XR instead of an iPhone XS or XS Max
I think the XR will be a great success as far as sales go, but a lot of budget-conscious folk will go for earlier models. But will we ever really know for sure unless Apple releases sales information for the individual models?
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The S8/S8+ sold 41 million so I didnt want to go that far.
But to say 70 million of 1 phone model is a flop is laughable. Maybe to overoptimistic investors and analysts its a flop vs initial speculation, but who cares about that.
The Xr is not a flagship. The Xs and max are the flagships. The Xr fills the slot previously occupied by the 8 and 8+, and it’s starting price is higher than the 8’s was last year (but lower than the 8+).
The XR does have a bigger market though due to its price but it does have competition within the range from the iPhone 8 series which seems to be experiencing a resurgence in popularity recently. I think Apple have created a problem by pricing the 8+ so near to the XR to be honest.
Without knowing the profit margins on the XR and 8 it's impossible to say. Apple may not care, other than lower ASP; the profit margin on the 8 may be equal or higher than the XR.
We do know the 8 costs about $247.51 that has been reported. Even starting at $599, thats a hefty $325 profit, considering they likely recouped most or all of their development and ad costs the first year it was sold already.
The XR may cost say $325 (the XS base storage costs $425-450 to build, so $325 wouldn't be unreasonable) and sell for $750 with a $450 gross profit, but still has development and advertising costs associated to recoup making the net profit margins between the 2 very similar.
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On a purely popularity side of things I’d still expect to see more 8’s and XR’s in the near future. In terms of profit the XS will likely produce more due to its massive profit margin but sell fewer most likely. I don’t think Apple need to worry just yet about profit.
When I said about pricing the 8+ and XR so close I was referring to appeal to the consumer. You’re going to have those that want the latest form factor but you’ll also have those that judge purely on price. When translated into contract deals that £50 difference is actually a lot more and I can see why the older handsets are suddenly popular again. I bought the 8+ as none of the latest devices were competitive on price this time. I would imagine a lot of people see it like that.
Was at my carrier today with account questions. That said, I asked the manager in the store what was the best selling iPhone currently. He replied that when the iPhone XS launched, it did really well initially, but completely dropped off, now the XR is selling adequately, but _not_ as popular as he thought it would be. I live in a large city, and it’s just one carrier location, but still interesting to see how things transcend into the holidays.
Flagship is defined by frames per second times battery life minus weight. If you only care about the most expensive or biggest screen iPhone, just use the appropriate adjectives.
The Flagship carries the Commanding Admiral, so technically it would be whichever phone Tim Cook is using.
Hmm (to be fair I think he will always rock the latest release, period, even if SE2 comes out in spring. He'll rock that. He rocks products to push them)
Insecure XS/XSM people be like:
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That really has become an impossible pill to swallow in 2018 for Mac laptop SSDs 128 to 256
Reduce where? The iphone 8 costed 800 eur at launch, the iphone xr is 850 eur , should we praise apple for letting us pay 909 eur for a 128 gb phone?
What you’re not considering, is Apple has always been a ‘status symbol’ in the tech industry. And it always will be with the iPhone. So for you to say ‘Why do people care about the flag ship status’, it’s not just because it’s the latest iPhone, it’s because the iPhone in general has a _very_ strong cult-like-following. And, you are on a tech forum, where you going to find the strongest and most passionate people about the iPhone.
WSJ out with a new story about plummeting iPhone demand. Pricing may be eroding market share. Not good.
I'd like an iPhone Xs. But not until the antenna/reception/connectivity issues are 100% fixed, and the price is reduced by hundreds of dollars. Looks like I'm waiting until iPhone 12 is released. Love most Apple products (but hate the butterjoke Macbook keyboard).
I'd like an iPhone Xs. But not until the antenna/reception/connectivity issues are 100% fixed, and the price is reduced by hundreds of dollars. Looks like I'm waiting until iPhone 12 is released. Love most Apple products (but hate the butterjoke Macbook keyboard).
Somehow the WSJ article will be spun here by the usual cheerleaders as either being false, market manipulation or "of course they are cutting orders after a few months of being on sale". Bottom line is that it is obvious (from even Apple's guidance), that they are missing their projections on the latest model by a significant amount. Whether they can make that revenue up from other sources (ie services) remains to be seen.
Yes!
That’s still -240 euro less than the iPhone X 64GB from last year.
$749 is exactly the same price as the iPhone 6+ was in 2014 or a hundred more than the iPhone 5s. I think this increase for bigger phones is justified given the technology. Otherwise you can pick up an iPhone SE for $250.
The XR carries a premium price. It is positioned as a premium offering within the X series, thus the name XR and not iPhone 9.
It was bound to happen, especially when you have a perfect storm of...
Feature Stagnation (I'm sure there is a better word).
Want another 256gigs? It may only cost us about $20 extra but we will pass on $200 charge to you. Aren't we nice?
Having it both ways; we want to say this phone is premium but the inbox contents will match what we gave you on our cheapest iPods. Slow chargers, no headphone dongle, basic power brick, no wireless chargers. But the price of the phone? We got that premium down pat.
You add it up and those people that were happy to upgrade every year (me) just don't see enough reason to jump in.
Some things aren't their fault, like what other feature can they add? I can't think of one but the last few years there were plenty.
But they would have helped their cause without the greed.
Feature Stagnation (I'm sure there is a better word).
- A better proprietary chip that Apple makes themselves, then touts is x% faster then last year's chip, means hardly anything to potential buyers.
- Almost zero new features over last year's flagship, that has to be a first in iPhone history, no?
Want another 256gigs? It may only cost us about $20 extra but we will pass on $200 charge to you. Aren't we nice?
Having it both ways; we want to say this phone is premium but the inbox contents will match what we gave you on our cheapest iPods. Slow chargers, no headphone dongle, basic power brick, no wireless chargers. But the price of the phone? We got that premium down pat.
You add it up and those people that were happy to upgrade every year (me) just don't see enough reason to jump in.
Some things aren't their fault, like what other feature can they add? I can't think of one but the last few years there were plenty.
But they would have helped their cause without the greed.
Market penetration. (So many already own iPhones)
Product maturation. (new features but not revolutionary, so evolutionary)
Increased prices across the board for Apple. iPhone, iPad, Mini, MBA, all increased in price.
I wanted a new SE full screen type deal. But I've used the XR for a week now and the full screen, gestures, Face ID, larger phone meaning larger text size (easier on the eyes for reading everything from text to emails), a bunch of small stuff added together makes a night and day difference. I always thought the bigger phones were too large, too cumbersome to carry, as I already carry a number of things on my person. The size increase has so many +'s that it's worth it. So much easier on the eyes and the battery life is incredible.
My 2015 IPP, and iphone 7 seem like relics now and will be sold. One week of use on phone and pad and I don't ever want to go back to home button or bezels. Screens are sharper, edge to edge displays, faster processors, more RAM.
How many us hang around with fellow tech geeks from Mac Rumours fishing for kudos because of a certain model iPhone though lol?
Maybe it’s just my experience but the vast majority of people I know don’t have a clue just by looking at your iPhone what model it is. The cult following seems to be a popularity within the tech community and is fuelled online whereas the iPhone is popular generally and by people who often aren’t particularly clued up about mobile phones in general. An iPhone is an iPhone and whether you’ve got an XR, an XS or an iPhone 8, you’ve still got a premium well made device as we all know. I suppose this is why it feels like flagship status in the iPhone range seems much more watered down these days. They are all just too good lol.
Totally agree. Each phone I believe is a premium phone with premium pricing. In my opinion, the Flagship title used to be relevant when one phone had all the bells and whistles while the other had less features. You can't go wrong with any of Apple's offerings today.