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iPad Directv App Now Say's Not Supported on Jailbroken Devices
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This is going to be a common and reoccurring issue until the patch kills the upgrade version kill switch. You can patch a hole in the boat, but if the water is still coming over the sides of the boat, the solution is to protect against water getting in in any way. We need someone who can develop a way to prevent the version from phoning home to check if it's the latest version and dying if it's not.
With OTA delta updates soon to be available for apps, you will be fighting a losing battle unless you never update, AND you don't need to contact the application's servers, which will certainly try to update your app and check its validity before delivering syndicated content.
There is simply too much money at stake here for the application to stop doing everything possible to prevent content theft.
There is simply too much money at stake here for the application to stop doing everything possible to prevent content theft.
There are a lot easier ways to steal content if that was the goal. The goal here is to just use the the app to be able to schedule DVR recordings and everything else it did OTHER THAN stream the crappy channels that it allows you to stream. The argument here is that they lock you out of the entire app if you are JB rather than just not allow content streaming. There was no problem up until the streaming feature was added a month or so ago.
DTV Ipad
Anything new on the DTV Front? I actually unjailbroker my Ipad because I wanted to use the DTV ap as a remote. I could care less about the streaming.
Anything new on the DTV Front? I actually unjailbroker my Ipad because I wanted to use the DTV ap as a remote. I could care less about the streaming.
It doesn't matter what your personal motivation is. The syndicated content providers are demanding that apps not run on Jailbroken devices to protect their content.
It's that simple. We have two apps that we have had to lock down, under contract, and two more customers who will follow suit soon.
Spoke with Directv and Apple
Spend a considerable amount of time with both today. Here is what occurred:
I unjailbroke my iPad. Apple says I do not have a jailbroken device.
I called Directv and finally spoke to a supervisor at the Mobile Streaming Department. He said I have two options. Reformat the iPad. But Directv wouldn't guarantee that would work. He then said (I'm still in disbelief over this one) purchase a new iPad.
At that point I was livid. I did what the error message said, which indicated "Please connect to iTunes to update or restore your device". I even reset all settings. Nothing works.
This is an example of arrogance which should never be allowed to continue. I believe the Patent office has indicated that jailbreaking is not illegal. But even if I restore AND upgrade my iOS it doesn't change how the Directv app for iPad responds. I am now using iOS 5.01 and it is NOT jailbroken.
I spoke with Apple and they told me I do not have a jailbroken iPad anymore. But the supervisor I spoke with at Directv said "once jailbroken always jailbroken". THIS IS NUTS.
Anyone have any ideas?
Cheers
360guy (an all around guy)
Spend a considerable amount of time with both today. Here is what occurred:
I unjailbroke my iPad. Apple says I do not have a jailbroken device.
I called Directv and finally spoke to a supervisor at the Mobile Streaming Department. He said I have two options. Reformat the iPad. But Directv wouldn't guarantee that would work. He then said (I'm still in disbelief over this one) purchase a new iPad.
At that point I was livid. I did what the error message said, which indicated "Please connect to iTunes to update or restore your device". I even reset all settings. Nothing works.
This is an example of arrogance which should never be allowed to continue. I believe the Patent office has indicated that jailbreaking is not illegal. But even if I restore AND upgrade my iOS it doesn't change how the Directv app for iPad responds. I am now using iOS 5.01 and it is NOT jailbroken.
I spoke with Apple and they told me I do not have a jailbroken iPad anymore. But the supervisor I spoke with at Directv said "once jailbroken always jailbroken". THIS IS NUTS.
Anyone have any ideas?
Cheers
360guy (an all around guy)
I have a feeling that that no matter what you do to fix your iPad, it will always be denied from working properly. As it has been put onto a black list. My suggestion is to borrow or buy (if you can) and than return, a different iPad, install the app and re log in and see if it works.
If this works, than there is a problem is with your iPad and the the JB is still lingering in your system and you might want to take it to Apple and have them reformat the whole thing over again and don't reinstall or sync the iPad until you have tested out the directv app only.
If the new/borrowed iPad does not work than I could say your directv account has been unjustly discriminated and denied the use of the app.
Please let us know what happens as this could shed some light on how this app or directv really works.
Good luck.
They have logged your iPad's UDID in their database as a Jailbroken device and so are denying access to the device.
The fact that you have un- Jailbroken the device is not being detected, because they are only looking at your UDID in their database now.
A refund for the cost of the app is your only real option with that iPad hardware unless you can convince them to purge your UDID from their database...
The fact that you have un- Jailbroken the device is not being detected, because they are only looking at your UDID in their database now.
A refund for the cost of the app is your only real option with that iPad hardware unless you can convince them to purge your UDID from their database...
This cannot be true, for two reasons. First, direct experience. I just did the following:
1. Launched DTV app, got "not supported on Jailbroken devices"
2. Upgraded from 4.3 JB to 5.0.1 via iTunes, including restoring its settings.
3. Launched DTV app, which worked perfectly.
Second, there is no more UDID in iOS5, or at the very least it is no longer available for developers to access. See here and here. I can confirm that this is the case, as an authentication function that my company's iPhone app uses is broken on iOS5 because it's dependent on the availability of the UDID.
xCon 14 came out on Jan 4, 2012 and it works with Directv app 1.3.7 which had detected my iPad as jailbroken...
I removed Directv app 1.3.7 after it detected my device as jail broken.
I installed xCon 14 and it requested that I respring my iPad, which I did. Then I rebooted, before installing Directv 1.3.7, it works, for me.
I removed Directv app 1.3.7 after it detected my device as jail broken.
I installed xCon 14 and it requested that I respring my iPad, which I did. Then I rebooted, before installing Directv 1.3.7, it works, for me.
Does that really surprise you? That is why I have avoided installing it.... In a month or so xCon 15 will be out, and we will have a week or so of 1.3.9 working, any alleged new features in 1.3.9? I saw nothing that made me want to install it.1.3.9 is out...and guess what...
xCon 14 fails
<sigh>
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Just bought Net Master today, on iOS 5.0.1 and it has no trouble reporting my UDID.... So I'd have to confirm that UDID is still working...
Didn't have a choice...I deleted the previous version, as indicated above, to attempt the xCon 14 fix...didn't realize 1.3.9 was out.
Not gonna u/g DirecTV when xCon 15 arrives.
I can live without it until then.
Well what they could do in xcon15 is randomly generate a UDID and report that to navigator.app.
I still think we need to virtualize or sandbox some of these apps like DirecTV in their own little "unjailbroken" ios world.
You would have to launch a sandbox process than from within there load and launch any apps. Of course these apps in the sandbox would not be compatable or be able to communicate to any JB tweak (like send lock screen notifications or 3rd party jailbreak message box handlers, task switching, etc..)
I still think we need to virtualize or sandbox some of these apps like DirecTV in their own little "unjailbroken" ios world.
You would have to launch a sandbox process than from within there load and launch any apps. Of course these apps in the sandbox would not be compatable or be able to communicate to any JB tweak (like send lock screen notifications or 3rd party jailbreak message box handlers, task switching, etc..)
Uh, no one is talking about getting free programming.
The general consensus is just to have a searchable guide, remote DVR programmer and remote control. The programming is locked down behind your secure DirecTV.com username and password.
Don't subscribe to a certain programming package, then it shouldn't auth the stream SERVER SIDE in the first place. Nothing a jailbroken device can get around (since the auth is handled at the server). Why would you handle authentication at the device anyway?
If they are still overly worried about it, once the jailbreak detection returns true for JB status, just hide and not allow the streaming column to even be seen or added in the app. That way you don't block the core functionality - remote control and guide searching from legally jailbroken devices.
That would be harder to tamper with as well. Think about it. At launch the app detects if your jailbroken or not. Easy place to place a breakpoint and watch what exactly the app is doing at launch. Now immediately we see the result of the jailbreak check and the whole app is locked out. If you place the check a little later it's harder to determine the break point, where the check takes place and the memory locations of the function call and result. So let the app load regardless, then do the JB check. If true strip out the streaming functionality.
It would take longer to figure that out. Also do a multi-authentication against the directv.com username and password, and institude NDS VideoGuard connect DRM encryption on the streams. Just like HBO, Cinemax and Netflix use DRM on their streams, they are able to play on jailbroken devices. HBO, Cinemax and Netflix are higher profile content too. Were talking sexually explicit content, adult language and themes, violence, 5 star movies and more. They let all of that run on a JB ipad - content that is valued MUCH higher than what... House Hunters on HGTV? Come on. They can do it, so can you. DirecTV has an outstanding relationship with NDS and can easily DRM the stream.
I do.
It looks for your DVR on your home network to verify your within your registered household. Otherwise you could just give your username and password to all your friends without DirecTV to get free content. This is part of two factor authentication (user / pass + presence of DVR detected on local network). If they would simply pair a third factor, NDS VideoGuard DRM, there should be no worries if the device is Jailbroken or not. Seems some sort of DRM would be needed if they ever would want to stream to your PC too (since root filesystem access is available on every PC).
If you request streaming content like HGTV, Discovery, TLC, etc... it gets it from the internet.
If you purchase the $150 nomad product, it sits on your home network and transcodes shows you specify so you can download it to your mobile device for later viewing off network.
And most if not all of those HD DVRs have a jack where one can plug in a USB hard drive to store their movies? So just what is the *real* goal here? To my mind if I wanted movies attacking that external hard drive is the way to go. If I can log into TNT.TV from work, and TNT.TV is willing to stream me their content, with my Directv user name and password. Then it's not TNT or their show providers that is demanding I not view their content on my mobile device.
There is dishonesty here in my opinion, Directv does make it clear, to users that to enjoy their service Directv wants control of your device. Wants to limit, what programs I can and can not run on a device I paid for, and supposedly own.
It's like AT&T and their unlimited data plan, it's all about limits. What I can't do. It's all about deception. And illusion! How can a company pretend that I have unlimited data plan, when I'm limited to the amount of data I can download in one burst. When I'm limited to what I can and can not do with that data after it enters my device.
There is dishonesty here in my opinion, Directv does make it clear, to users that to enjoy their service Directv wants control of your device. Wants to limit, what programs I can and can not run on a device I paid for, and supposedly own.
It's like AT&T and their unlimited data plan, it's all about limits. What I can't do. It's all about deception. And illusion! How can a company pretend that I have unlimited data plan, when I'm limited to the amount of data I can download in one burst. When I'm limited to what I can and can not do with that data after it enters my device.
