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iCloud is not a replacement for a Time Machine backup.

It is. But that doesn't mean you have to like it. It doesn't mean that Time Machine wouldn't work better for you.

I think I only need TM because of photos and video. I don't really want to pay $7/mo more than I am now to store my photos and video in the cloud and stay in the Apple universe. Currently I give Apple $3/mo for 200gb for the family.

But I'm close to caving because my wife would love to have easy access to that stuff from anywhere including her phone. And because well if there is a fire or theft my photos and video would be protected.
 
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If you mean these, they look like smoke detectors, and aren't particularly impressive:

https://www.smallnetbuilder.com/wir...iti-ac-pro-and-ac-lite-access-points-reviewed

Plus, no terrestrial ethernet ports. No sale.

That's an old article, on page 3 you'll see throughput plotted out on a graph, those are far lower than what I get currently, the controller and firmware has been improved massively and will get even better.
But, this is no gear for dummies, you definitely need some network knowledge.



No, it isn't

Most don't have unlimited fast Internet (fiber).
Most don't want to spend money on a monthly basis.
Not everyone wants THEIR data in the cloud.
Usually a connected harddrive is much faster a connection to the cloud.
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iCloud is not a replacement for a Time Machine backup.

No, definitely not, but they want you to use it as such.

And to be super honest, the way my two Mac laptops are set up, everything of consequence stored on them is inside the iCloud Drive folder. If a laptop was broken or lost, I'd lose no data. I still do Time Machine backups of them, but only like once a month and more for the purposes of having a quick way to recover the whole system than for data preservation.

It's definitely a different story if you have a large amount of data, of course. My iMac with all my media and everything is physically backed up very thoroughly (Time Machine, offsite Carbon Copy Cloner backups).
 



Apple back in April ended development on its AirPort line of products, which includes the $99 AirPort Express, the $199 AirPort Extreme, and the $299 AirPort Time Capsule.

At the time the accessories were discontinued, Apple said that it would continue selling existing stock until available supply was exhausted. It appears that point has been reached for both the AirPort Extreme and the 2TB AirPort Time Capsule, which have been removed from the Apple online store.

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There are no longer any AirPort products available for purchase from the online store or Apple retail locations, with the exception of some refurbished AirPort devices that may continue to be available on the refurbished site.

Apple had not updated its AirPort products since 2012 (Express) and 2013 (Extreme and Time Capsule), and rumors in 2016, which ultimately turned out to be correct, suggested Apple had stopped development on the product with AirPort engineers reassigned to other devices.

In lieu of its own line of AirPort products, Apple is now offering third-party routers like the Linksys Velop mesh Wi-Fi system.

Apple's AirPort base stations provided some unique benefits that are not available through third-party options like built-in Time Machine backup support in the Time Capsule and AirPlay functionality for the AirPort Express.

Though the AirPort devices have been discontinued, Apple plans to provide service and parts for the current generation models for the next five years.

Article Link: Discontinued AirPort Extreme and 2TB Time Capsule Finally Disappear From Apple Online Store
Goodbye dear friends. Adieu.
 
No, it isn't

Most don't have unlimited fast Internet (fiber).
Most don't want to spend money on a monthly basis.
Not everyone wants THEIR data in the cloud.
Usually a connected harddrive is much faster a connection to the cloud.
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Yes it is. lol you don't need fiber either and most already use iCloud for some backup anyway and most have broadband in the US.

Listing possible disadvantages or concerns of using iCloud doesn't mean it's not a replacement for Time Machine.

It obviously is. It backs up your data!!!!

You can not like it because it's not fast enough for you or you don't want your data in the lcloud or because you don't want to pay for it but you can't deny it's not a replacement for Time Machine.

I can list advantages of it too. IT's seamless to use, you can easily access your data from anywhere and if you have a fire or theft you don't lose your photos and video.
 
I know there are much more powerful routers out there but I plugged my AC Time Capsule in, in 2014 and it hasn't powered off since. I dont know of any other routers out there that can go for that long without restarting or having to be shut off. RIP
 
Sad, but the Airports stink in comparison to the mesh routers available now.

And while some people don't mind having a router and an external HDD taking up space on the desk I did, and the Time Capsule made me a buyer.
 
Syncing is not backing up.

iCloud is a powerful tool, sure. I use it, my wife uses it. But it's not a backup. That's why iOS devices have a separate option to do a backup (which can be stored in iCloud but isn't just using the iCloud "sync" data). That's why macOS devices have a separate option to do a backup (Time Machine).
 
No, definitely not, but they want you to use it as such.

And to be super honest, the way my two Mac laptops are set up, everything of consequence stored on them is inside the iCloud Drive folder. If a laptop was broken or lost, I'd lose no data. I still do Time Machine backups of them, but only like once a month and more for the purposes of having a quick way to recover the whole system than for data preservation.

It's definitely a different story if you have a large amount of data, of course. My iMac with all my media and everything is physically backed up very thoroughly (Time Machine, offsite Carbon Copy Cloner backups).
No. It is definitely a replacement. And you even realize that yourself. You don't need it for your laptops. You only need it to back up some media collection on your iMac and in today's world that sort of usage case is an outlier.

IN this day and age no need to have lots of media. My music collection is pretty much redundant in the streaming age. I mean I"m not big on music streaming but I'm on my 2nd free trial of Apple Music and I see my kid uses Spotify when we're not on Apple Music. So not only am I slowly becoming a convert but the kids are already there. So no need to backup music media in the future.

My collection of movies is mostly redundant as well in the age of Netflix etc because on one hand most of those shows pop up on on-demand streaming services all the time and on the other hand there is way too much content to watch that there is little reason to store so many movies on my computer. No time to watch them. Plus you purchase a digital movie anytime on iTunes or Amazon etc if you really really need to watch it. So why store a movie collection any more?!?!? I stopped doing so ....maybe 5 years ago. Times change.

The reality is Time Machine was introduced 10 years ago. It's ancient in computer years. Meanwhile storageon the cloud has gotten cheaper and cheaper while our need for more storage space hasn't increased at nearly the same rate and perhaps has even decreased overall.
 
Yes it is. lol you don't need fiber either and most already use iCloud for some backup anyway and most have broadband in the US.

Listing possible disadvantages or concerns of using iCloud doesn't mean it's not a replacement for Time Machine.

It obviously is. It backs up your data!!!!

You can not like it because it's not fast enough for you or you don't want your data in the lcloud or because you don't want to pay for it but you can't deny it's not a replacement for Time Machine.

I can list advantages of it too. IT's seamless to use, you can easily access your data from anywhere and if you have a fire or theft you don't lose your photos and video.

No it isn't
And I leave it there...
 
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Syncing is not backing up.

iCloud is a powerful tool, sure. I use it, my wife uses it. But it's not a backup. That's why iOS devices have a separate option to do a backup (which can be stored in iCloud but isn't just using the iCloud "sync" data). That's why macOS devices have a separate option to do a backup (Time Machine).
ICloud isn't just syncing. It's backing up as you acknowledge.

On your Mac you can install the OS from the internets and the apps from the Mac apps store from the internets, your docs are on iCloud, safari settings are on there as are contacts and email and messages and calendar and photos and video. That's a backup.
 
You have pivoted from your original argument to make a different point in an attempt to appear to be "right."

No he hasn't.

Cook has been Tim-splaining for quite awhile now that we shouldn't need or want hammers anymore because their "Pro" screwdriver does everything a hammer can do.
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I use to think that until I got an Ubiquiti set up. Far better than anything Apple made IMO.
Same. I have an Edgerouter and a UniFi switch and Access points. Rock solid, blows away any consumer gear out there.
 
No, it doesn't. It synchronises some of your data.


Yes, we can, because it's not.

Nonsense. Completely inaccurate. It literally backs up your docs, email, contacts, messages, photos, videos, ...

I can destroy my mac and get all that stuff back on a new Mac. Synchronization-only would mean it's only copying data between your machines and that I wouldn't be able to get my data back. And that's not the case.

Go on be a flat earther. You or your ancestors will come around eventually.

You guys arguing why Time Machine is still hanging on. But pretty obvious it's replacement is iCloud.
 
ICloud isn't just syncing. It's backing up as you acknowledge.
No. Re-read what I wrote. iOS devices can store backups in iCloud. That is literally just using iCloud to store an archive of the devices content, it doesn't involve the sync mechanism. If you delete content from one of your devices, it isn't removed from that backup.

That's a backup.

It literally isn't. A backup is a one-way copy of data. Changes to your data don't modify backups, they are stored in new backups, in the case of Time Machine, they're deltas from the previous backup.

iCloud is two-way copying of data. If you sync your phone to iCloud, and then your kid deletes all the files in your iCloud docs folder, it'll ask for confirmation, and then delete them all from iCloud, and then that delete is sycned to all your other devices.
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I can destroy my mac and get all that stuff back on a new Mac.

Backups cover a lot more than just "i destroyed my computer".

Overwrite a file with a corrupted copy, or a different file altogether, and tell me how iCloud gives you that file back, after the 30-day grace period?

Make several edits to a file over a number of hours/days, then realise you accidentally deleted part of the content several revisions earlier, and tell me how iCloud gives you that content back?

Delete a file or a folder or photos, and tell me how iCloud gives you that file back, after the 30 day grace period?

Synchronization-only would mean it's only copying data between your machines and that I wouldn't be able to get my data back

iCloud sync for things like files is between your device, and iCloud storage directly, in both directions. The individual devices do not sync data directly "peer to peer". iCloud Keychain can do peer to peer syncing, but it's not required. It too can sync against the central store.

Go on be a flat earther.

Is this the hip new way to insult someone? Twice in 2 weeks people here have called me that. The irony of you calling me a flat earther (i.e. someone who denies proof of something) while simultaneously denying something that's been known and proven for decades is not lost on me.

But sure. Go be a "syncing is a backup" guy. I look forward to hearing how RAID means you don't need backups either, and how everyone has fast internet. Oh you already did that last one, my bad.
 
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No he hasn't.

Cook has been Tim-splaining for quite awhile now that we shouldn't need or want hammers anymore because their "Pro" screwdriver does everything a hammer can do.
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Same. I have an Edgerouter and a UniFi switch and Access points. Rock solid, blows away any consumer gear out there.

That's just a blatant falsehood. No one from Apple ever said an iPad could do everything a laptop can do.

If that was Apple's position, they wouldn't be marketing and selling MacBooks.

An iPad can replace a laptop for many, if not most consumers.

I haven't replaced my 2011 MacBook Pro because my iPad essentially replaced it years ago. For video editing and motion graphics, I still use my iMac. It's faster than any laptop, but overkill for most normals.
 
No. Re-read what I wrote. iOS devices can store backups in iCloud. That is literally just using iCloud to store an archive of the devices content, it doesn't involve the sync mechanism. If you delete content from one of your devices, it isn't removed from that backup.



It literally isn't. A backup is a one-way copy of data. Changes to your data don't modify backups, they are stored in new backups, in the case of Time Machine, they're deltas from the previous backup.

iCloud is two-way copying of data. If you sync your phone to iCloud, and then your kid deletes all the files in your iCloud docs folder, it'll ask for confirmation, and then delete them all from iCloud, and then that delete is sycned to all your other devices.
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Backups cover a lot more than just "i destroyed my computer".

Overwrite a file with a corrupted copy, or a different file altogether, and tell me how iCloud gives you that file back, after the 30-day grace period?

Make several edits to a file over a number of hours/days, then realise you accidentally deleted part of the content several revisions earlier, and tell me how iCloud gives you that content back?

Delete a file or a folder or photos, and tell me how iCloud gives you that file back, after the 30 day grace period?



iCloud sync for things like files is between your device, and iCloud storage directly, in both directions. The individual devices do not sync data directly "peer to peer". iCloud Keychain can do peer to peer syncing, but it's not required. It too can sync against the central store.



Is this the hip new way to insult someone? Twice in 2 weeks people here have called me that. The irony of you calling me a flat earther (i.e. someone who denies proof of something) while simultaneously denying something that's been known and proven for decades is not lost on me.

But sure. Go be a "syncing is a backup" guy. I look forward to hearing how RAID means you don't need backups either, and how everyone has fast internet. Oh you already did that last one, my bad.

If I can get a copy of my data then I have it backed up. BAckup 101. Or first rule of Backup. If you want to play semantics go ahead and be that guy. That guy that can't see the forest for the trees.

And afaik software like Pages for examples keeps multiple edits of your documents. Every time you edit a file in Pages it saves it as a new copy and keeps the old copy. I believe this applies to the cloud as well.

You're too stuck on telling me every technical detail I already know for you to see the big picture.

You are being called flat earther for a reason. ;) YOu are stuck in your old way of thinking sorta speak. :)
 
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So what do people recommend for Time Machine backups in a multi-Mac household? When I google the suggestions other users have posted the setup process looks complicated and there are lots of threads of people complaining. I just want the straightforward simplicity and consistent functionality that the Time Capsule provided.

This is critical for anyone with multiple laptops in a home network. My TC still lives, but I’ve looked into options for when it dies. A NAS is one option, though not officially supported. Another, if you have an iMac or Mac Mini that’s always on, is to start Time Machine Server (High Sierra or Mojave), with a shared folder (local or an external drive) for multiple network backups. That’s my plan. It seems to be a stable set and forget option.

It would be great to hear from others who have actually done this, as networked backups were a key feature of the TC.
 
That's just a blatant falsehood. No one from Apple ever said an iPad could do everything a laptop can do.

Nice straw man attempt

In an interview with The Telegraph, Cook said, "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"

He continued: "Yes, the iPad Pro is a replacement for a notebook or a desktop for many, many people. They will start using it and conclude they no longer need to use anything else, other than their phones."
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The ad shows a kid, age unknown, retiring to her grassy backyard after a day of hanging out with friends and doing school projects with her iPad Pro in what appears to be Brooklyn. A neighbor asks her what she's doing on her computer.

"What's a computer?" the kid replies.
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