Disney+ Will Offer up to Four Simultaneous Streams and 4K Content for $6.99 a Month

fokmik said:
Read carefully "a loss of over 126,000 subscribers just in U.S" so worldwide....it will be affected too with so many streaming providers
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I did read carefully, I think it is you that hasn't really understood.

You have pointed out that they lost 126k subscribers in the US and I pointed out that Worldwide there was a net gain in subscribers because globally they added 2.7 million.

Hope that helps.
 
radiology said:
The winner will be the company who makes a deal with all the other companies and creates a “product” that allows you to bundle all the subscriptions, which is what Apple should be trying hard to do since they have several of the most popular streaming devices on the market (ie iphone, iPad and ATV).
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You had and have that, it's called CABLE TV and you all did nothing but whine and complain about it. This ship has sailed. This was always going to be the inevitable result of the constant moaning about how it's so unfair to pay for channels you don't watch
 
fokmik said:
"For the first time since 2011, Netflix reported a loss of over 126,000 subscribers just in U.S. in its most recent three-month stretch."
So, even without disney+ netflix is not what it was last year
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And were up millions worldwide. Net gain (huge gain, btw). Fact is, Netflix isn't going to be scared of anyone. Apple should be, especially if they intend to charge 9+ dollars for their service.
 
Porco said:
I’m just very irritated only a small number of countries will have access to this service at launch. I’m sure there are reasons, but none are good enough.

The Mandalorian is going to get spoiled and pirated all over the internet, much as don’t condone either thing. It’s a shame.
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It is not their fault, many countries protect their local industry and have foreign TV quotas, they need permits to operate there. Look at Game of Thrones, the most pirated TV show in the world, even the creators talked about the issue and how difficult it was for them to get the content everywhere.

On the other hand there is the issue of TV/movie rights, I recently used Netflix abroad and many movies I love (including Disney/Marvel) were included in the library, those I cannot watch here in the US and probably never will now that Disney+ exists. The rights of these titles are licensed for many years abroad, in other words, until those licenses expire they will not be able to show that content.
 
cardfan said:
It won’t. Does the Disney channel give anyone headaches (beside the person that has to watch it). This is simply Disney channel plus. Same crap but they’ll do a hand full of originals that won’t get started for a few years.

Not sure how it replaces Netflix anytime soon. Unless you’re some kind of Disney nut.
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Did you notice they also have Fox content in the app too? It’s not just Disney channel+. Far from it.

Although everyone would love to replace Netflix, Disney is marketing their service to be a complement to other streaming services.
 
Nuvi said:
Sorry mate but it seems you live in a territory which won’t be seeing Disney+ at launch. It will take some time for the Disney to have all the rights back.

Anyway, in a couple of years all the major studios will have their own streaming services. It will be race to the bottom and that will hurt Netflix like hell. Netflix tries to create originals but in many cases they are modern equivalent of b-movies, filler content.
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Nah, I'll be very (pleasantly) surprised if we get Disney+ in the first wave, November 12th. But I'm fairly patient, and as long as it doesn't drag out into infinity it will replace Viaplay (and maybe Amazon) sooner or (hopefully not) later.

Edit: No date, yet: https://preview.disneyplus.com/no/
 
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Abazigal said:
It feels like a necessity to prevent the current phenomenon Netflix is experiencing where some people subscribe for a month, binge watch a couple of new shows, then unsubscribe until more content becomes available, where the entire cycle renews.

This is especially since Disney+ looks to be very light on content that would make me want to stick around as a subscriber. One can only watch old reruns of marvel and Star Wars films so many times, especially if I am not a very huge of them. This is where Netflix arguably still has an advantage in the form of 3rd party licensed content. I just rewatched the Riddick chronicles this week.

That’s why Disney is smart to support the TV app, and why Netflix never will.

Plus, releasing an episode at a time helps to build up hype and excitement around the entire series. Notice all the websites and forums that discuss what happened during a particular episode, as well as speculate what will happen in the next. Being able to fast forward right to the ending essentially kills all virality.
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I hear people use this excuse all the time but the reality is the people who would binge and cancel, will just wait until the full season drops and binge and cancel ANYWAY, so why inconvience your audience? I HATE watching TV weekly and MOST shows work better as a binge. So while I'll get the yearly plan, I'm not going to waste my time watching this stuff weekly. I do this with CBS All Access AND DC Universe. I absolutely HATE this. The whole point of Netflix and streaming was to get AWAY from the broken TV model which included making shows available on a weekly basis. A lot of people don't have time for that nor the attention span to watch something for 10 weeks. It's annoying.
 
Herrpod said:
They also have boatloads of content they own.
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Except they really don’t. And Netflix won’t tell you either. Only 8 percent of their total content is a “Netflix original.” And of those Netflix originals the vast majority are licensed from studios and are not self produced.

Netflix is now focusing more on the originals it self produces, such as Stranger Things, the Queer Eye revival, The Santa Clarita Diet, Nailed It! and 3%. “These are all shows that people really love in enormous numbers around the world,” said Ted Sarandos, chief content officer at Netflix, said in October. “And we don’t have to go through the gun-to-your-head renegotiation every couple of years for them.” The company has not revealed the share of its originals that are self produced.

Yep. Stranger Things is their baby. But those others? No interest. That’s not exactly a boatload of owned content.
 
malexandria22 said:
I hear people use this excuse all the time but the reality is the people who would binge and cancel, will just wait until the full season drops and binge and cancel ANYWAY, so why inconvience your audience? I HATE watching TV weekly and MOST shows work better as a binge. So while I'll get the yearly plan, I'm not going to waste my time watching this stuff weekly. I do this with CBS All Access AND DC Universe. I absolutely HATE this. The whole point of Netflix and streaming was to get AWAY from the broken TV model which included making shows available on a weekly basis. A lot of people don't have time for that nor the attention span to watch something for 10 weeks. It's annoying.
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Yep. Why not throw in a few ad breaks aswell.
 
randian said:
I don't see how Apple could offer TV+ at a higher price than Disney+ and expect to be successful with it. For that matter, ATV+ would be the same cost as Amazon Prime, without killer shows like Bosch and The Expanse, the extensive Prime catalog, plus of course the other benefits of Prime. A combined ATV+/Apple Music sub for $9.99 might be enough to entice people on the fence about either.
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Apple probably thinks their same higher-price formula that works on iPhones and Macbooks is going to work for their streaming service.
 
Rob_2811 said:
Yep. Why not throw in a few ad breaks aswell.
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Yeah, I've hear pundits argue that Netflix should have a lower priced tier that offers Commercials AND weekly shows and I'm like WTF? That defeats the entire point of what Netflix was trying to do. It's also why I HATE Hulu. Hulu is worse because they charge for the service, then charge for Commercial Free, Charge for Commercial DVR Skip and Charge for DVR Service and almost EVERYTHING I watched still had unskippable commercials. Not only that but 4 minute commercial breaks every 5 minutes and they would literally show the same commercial every 5 minutes it was maddening. I cancelled Hulu. I'm trying out YouTube TV this month and they still show commercials on regular YouTube. The danger with these apps is that they'll start with the weekly crap and go right back to having commercials. I'd rather pay $16 a month for the content service I want for a full bingeable, commercial free experience.
 
malexandria22 said:
I hear people use this excuse all the time but the reality is the people who would binge and cancel, will just wait until the full season drops and binge and cancel ANYWAY, so why inconvience your audience? I HATE watching TV weekly and MOST shows work better as a binge. So while I'll get the yearly plan, I'm not going to waste my time watching this stuff weekly. I do this with CBS All Access AND DC Universe. I absolutely HATE this. The whole point of Netflix and streaming was to get AWAY from the broken TV model which included making shows available on a weekly basis. A lot of people don't have time for that nor the attention span to watch something for 10 weeks. It's annoying.
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How much of it is because we have been spoiled by Netflix though? For example, if I wanted to binge Game of Thrones, I would have had to wait for 6 weeks until the entire season had dropped, and by that time, it would have been impossible to not get spoiled by rumours online. Not to mention that you would be losing out on a great deal of interaction with your friends and colleagues, and I imagine many people would just give up and subscribe right from the start.

Here's what I find myself dong with Netflix when a new series drops that I might be interested in.

See Wu Assassins. Watch the first two episodes. Start scrubbing through the boring parts. Before I know it, I am fast-forwarding to the end just to see the fight scenes and how the story ends. Like, certain things like cliffhangers which make sense in a weekly show (to get you to want to tune in next week) no longer make sense when the next episode is available right away. It just feels like a very long movie with unnecessary padding.

Conversely, with a weekly show like Star Trek Discovery or Black Lightning, I look forward to each episode as it gets released weekly, and I find myself watching the entire episode from start to end since there is no pressure to skip to the next one.

I dunno. As a working adult, it just feels more sane to have each streaming service contribute a tv show, resulting in there being 1-2 hours of content to look forward to watching every day. Rather than have a new season of Jessica Jones dropping on Friday and I am like "whoopsie, there goes the weekend!"
 
dominiongamma said:
Correction Disney doesn’t sell 4K movies on iTunes, Disney wants 25 bucks 4K movies, Apple refuses to grant that since all companies do 19.99 for 4K
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Exactly. This isn't some conspiracy. Disney is being Disney, the bully they are and want to charge full price for 4K Digital streams. Hopefully once the service comes out, we'll get the free 4K updates on iTunes.
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Abazigal said:
How much of it is because we have been spoiled by Netflix though? For example, if I wanted to binge Game of Thrones, I would have had to wait for 6 weeks until the entire season had dropped, and by that time, it would have been impossible to not get spoiled by rumours online. Not to mention that you would be losing out on a great deal of interaction with your friends and colleagues, and I imagine many people would just give up and subscribe right from the start.

Here's what I find myself dong with Netflix when a new series drops that I might be interested in.

See Wu Assassins. Watch the first two episodes. Start scrubbing through the boring parts. Before I know it, I am fast-forwarding to the end just to see the fight scenes and how the story ends. Like, certain things like cliffhangers which make sense in a weekly show (to get you to want to tune in next week) no longer make sense when the next episode is available right away. It just feels like a very long movie with unnecessary padding.

Conversely, with a weekly show like Star Trek Discovery or Black Lightning, I look forward to each episode as it gets released weekly, and I find myself watching the entire episode from start to end since there is no pressure to skip to the next one.

I dunno. As a working adult, it just feels more sane to have each streaming service contribute a tv show, resulting in there being 1-2 hours of content to look forward to watching every day. Rather than have a new season of Jessica Jones dropping on Friday and I am like "whoopsie, there goes the weekend!"
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I'm the same way. Some times I'll speed watch a full season in a few hours. Just watch the first 2 or 3 eps, watch a middle episode and then the final. But I'm dumb because if a finale ends up being good, I'm like, "wait, how did we get here" and then I'll watch the ep before the finale and end up watching the entire season in reverse :) But at least I know the show I was binging has a kick ass final before committing. Kind of like reading the last chapter of a book.
 
Disney is going to simply steam roll the market. $6,99 is going to become basic Disney+ and will be included in atv+ for a few dollars more. But once they bring there other content into the package, from ESPN over ABC, Touchtone to History plus a dozen other properties is unbeatable in the long run. All the seperate streaming services owned by Disney can be put together eventually, that includes HULU.
Disney has so many fingers in so many pies, its frighning.
 
malexandria22 said:
Yeah, I've hear pundits argue that Netflix should have a lower priced tier that offers Commercials AND weekly shows and I'm like WTF? That defeats the entire point of what Netflix was trying to do. It's also why I HATE Hulu. Hulu is worse because they charge for the service, then charge for Commercial Free, Charge for Commercial DVR Skip and Charge for DVR Service and almost EVERYTHING I watched still had unskippable commercials. Not only that but 4 minute commercial breaks every 5 minutes and they would literally show the same commercial every 5 minutes it was maddening. I cancelled Hulu. I'm trying out YouTube TV this month and they still show commercials on regular YouTube. The danger with these apps is that they'll start with the weekly crap and go right back to having commercials. I'd rather pay $16 a month for the content service I want for a full bingeable, commercial free experience.
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None of the paid services should be serving up ads, they are either ad supported or they aren't for me.
 
cardfan said:
Except they really don’t. And Netflix won’t tell you either. Only 8 percent of their total content is a “Netflix original.” And of those Netflix originals the vast majority are licensed from studios and are not self produced.

Netflix is now focusing more on the originals it self produces, such as Stranger Things, the Queer Eye revival, The Santa Clarita Diet, Nailed It! and 3%. “These are all shows that people really love in enormous numbers around the world,” said Ted Sarandos, chief content officer at Netflix, said in October. “And we don’t have to go through the gun-to-your-head renegotiation every couple of years for them.” The company has not revealed the share of its originals that are self produced.

Yep. Stranger Things is their baby. But those others? No interest. That’s not exactly a boatload of owned content.
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Bull****. Even at 10 percent owned, they demolish the competition in original content. To claim they're scared of Disney is hilarious. Disney is all cartoons, comic books and Star Wars. That's fine for kids, but adults will always demand more than that crap, and they won't get it from Disney+.
 
Abazigal said:
How much of it is because we have been spoiled by Netflix though? For example, if I wanted to binge Game of Thrones, I would have had to wait for 6 weeks until the entire season had dropped, and by that time, it would have been impossible to not get spoiled by rumours online. Not to mention that you would be losing out on a great deal of interaction with your friends and colleagues, and I imagine many people would just give up and subscribe right from the start.

Here's what I find myself dong with Netflix when a new series drops that I might be interested in.

See Wu Assassins. Watch the first two episodes. Start scrubbing through the boring parts. Before I know it, I am fast-forwarding to the end just to see the fight scenes and how the story ends. Like, certain things like cliffhangers which make sense in a weekly show (to get you to want to tune in next week) no longer make sense when the next episode is available right away. It just feels like a very long movie with unnecessary padding.

Conversely, with a weekly show like Star Trek Discovery or Black Lightning, I look forward to each episode as it gets released weekly, and I find myself watching the entire episode from start to end since there is no pressure to skip to the next one.

I dunno. As a working adult, it just feels more sane to have each streaming service contribute a tv show, resulting in there being 1-2 hours of content to look forward to watching every day. Rather than have a new season of Jessica Jones dropping on Friday and I am like "whoopsie, there goes the weekend!"
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In this modern age of television, I just think the whole concept of "water cooler" talk is non existent. Everything is splintered and no one at work, the offices I've worked in, ever talks about TV Shows or movies they watch and I certainly never talk about stuff I watch with my friends out side of work. Everyone has different interests. Only people who care about being spoiled or having conversations are people who waste their time on the internet and actually look for spoilers. Which isn't as large a group of people as folks like to think.
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Herrpod said:
Bull****. Even at 10 percent owned, they demolish the competition in original content. To claim they're scared of Disney is hilarious. Disney is all cartoons, comic books and Star Wars. That's fine for kids, but adults will always demand more than that crap, and they won't get it from Disney+.
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Agree. Netflix is spending over $15 BILLION a YEAR on original content, anyone who claims they don't have a lot of original content are a fool or being intentionally ignorant.
 
Two words: Mandalorian.

Two more words: IG-88 in action.

Diz, take my money.

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This looks very, very nice. Definitely on board for this. Ya, I'm a Disney nut, but this looks like serious competition for even Netflix. Considering I've been thinking about dropping them, this may push me over. I love a lot of the original Netflix content, but hate the fact they drop good shows like I change underwear, lol.
 
Herrpod said:
Bull****. Even at 10 percent owned, they demolish the competition in original content. To claim they're scared of Disney is hilarious. Disney is all cartoons, comic books and Star Wars. That's fine for kids, but adults will always demand more than that crap, and they won't get it from Disney+.
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Just check Disney before you say that. Disney owns 100% of its content, it owns nearly 40% of Netflix content and pulls just that once the license expires.

Disney is not just Disney, its a dozen studios and a back catalogue going on 90years. It is also highly profitable. Because it got many revenue streams.

Netflix lives of loans, Billions every year, a cashburn szenario without equal. Disney can give its service away free for a limited amount of time, crushing the competition. No problem.

Disney is ruthless and has absolute capable people to pull this thru. If they decide to blow Netflix out of the water, they will do so.
 
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