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Display of Flash Content in iPad Promo Materials Likely Not Indicative of Actual Flash Compatibility

furi0usbee said:
For all the flash fans...
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This isn't about Flash "fandom", if such a thing even exists. We're just being realistic, because we're dealing with humanity here.

Optimism and grand visions for the future are nice, sure. According to the movie 2001, we've been far into outer space for 9 years now, and according to Back to the Future 2, we're only 5 years away from hovering skateboards, jackets with self-adjusting sleeves and electronic sneakers that tie themselves. I've heard people mock the movie Avatar because it features a manual wheelchair in the year 2154, the assumption being that the disabled will have hovering chairs by then. Well, then why is the manual wheelchair still around today, when we've had motorized alternatives since 1916? Why is MP3 still the most popular format by far, when ACC and OGG are vastly superior? Why is 95% of the planet still on Microsoft Windows? Why is the U.S. still stuck with the antiquated imperial system with "feet" and "pounds"?

Because old habits die hard. In order to render something as widely embraced as Flash obsolete, the alternative would have to be what DVD was to VHS.

I can hear the battery draining.
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Flash is power hungry because it doesn't take any advantage of hardware acceleration. The CPU has to carry the entire load. It's been that way for 14 years. It renders graphics like Windows 3.1. But the new Flash 10.1 will change all that. It will no longer make the fans spin up like a blowdryer. It's the most radical change Flash has ever seen, and I have no idea why they're calling it 10.1. It should be 11. Heck, it should be Flash 20.
 
Sayer said:
And maybe those sites will stop using the proprietary Adobe-controlled Flash formats and use open standards like H.264 and HTML5 to present content..
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bs, H.264 is patented and charge everybody who use it, standard, yeah right, open, hell no.
 
bj3949 said:
100% False Advertising.

They are showing that you can do something with the iPad that in reality you can't do at all.

Shame on Apple for basically attempting fraud, and shame on Apple for not having friggin' Flash by now in their iPhones, iPod Touches, & iPads.
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"A promotional video posted at Apple.com also shows what appears to be that same Flash-based content loading fine on the iPad." ...which it can't do.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/188185/apples_ipad_and_the_flash_clash.html

Apple is not a stranger to misleading advertising (as that link points out).
 
zarusoba said:
The keynote is not the ad.
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The video you mean to refer to is not an "ad". It is a video presented at a news conference created by an ad agency. The video you call an ad makes no representations either way as to Flash compatibility.

The web page displayed is a static image of a page that in one incarnation when live does use flash, but that is nyt.com. m.nyt.com does not or need not.

In any case it is simply a display of possible things. Not claimed LIVE things.

In fact no claim related to Flash was made at all. Not now, not prospectively, not inferred, not anything. It showed a static front page of a newspaper. Although in the actual live presentation a representation was overtly made that Flash does NOT function. So your position has far less merit.

The newspaper company itself stated it (the image you have at issue) is a static image on the Apple website.

When or if an ad is presented in a paid forum or if a feature is promised or even directly implied, then I may listen then. Till then I hear you [redacted personal attack] ranting.

Rocketman
 
Sayer said:
Apple would be wise to create a content creation tool to wrap up the raw video/audio into a HTML5-based player that can be dropped into existing web content. This is what Flash really brought to the table; an authoring environment that allowed content creators to add more value to just a video file (via skinnable interactive ubiquitous players, ad overlays, watermarks, full-screen etc).
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Not only agree [as long as it's released as part of an open standard], I wonder why they haven't yet, since they've announced their preference for open standards HTML/H.264 web content and have kept Flash off their new devices for years now - all in the absence of such a mature tool.
 
Rocketman said:
The video you mean to refer to is not an "ad". It is a video presented at a news conference created by an ad agency. The video you call an ad makes no representations either way as to Flash compatibility.

The web page displayed is a static image of a page that in one incarnation when live does use flash, but that is nyt.com m.nyt.com does not or need not.

In any case it is simply a display of possible things. Not claimed LIVE things.

In fact no claim related to Flash was made at all. Not now, not prospectively, not inferred, not anything. I showed a static front page of a newspaper.

The newspaper itself stated it is a static image.

When or if an ad is presented in a paid forum or if a feature is promised or even directly implied, then I may listen then. Till then I am listening to [redacted personal attack].

Rocketman
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And this on the actual Apple website????
http://www.apple.com/ipad/

[extreme sarcasm]Why, I see a New York Times web page shown in full with flash in the promotional video (not the keynote) on the website used for advertising their product for hopeful sale, where it's not possible to duplicate it when you get the device.[/extreme sarcasm]

I see fraud on Apple's part. They should be wrapped on the knuckles for this like any other company would have to, even if this IS an Apple forum.
 
Funny how 10 pages can change one's mind. I've reversed course on this one. A pretty lame attempt by Apple to hide the limitations of the iPad. This is so contrary to the "best browser" claim Steve made on stage.

I was contemplating getting one, now I think I'll get a MiFi for my 15" MBP rather than the tablet.
 
Adobe should just announce it will be only offering Photoshop and the rest of the Creative Suite as Windows only. Tit for tat with Apples juvenile crap.
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The iBad

9 worst things about the iPad:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/apple-ipad-review-photos_n_441770.html

Transferring files between the iPad and other devices will be more difficult and inconvenient given that the new Apple Tablet doesn't include a USB port. Users are dependent on Apple's proprietary dock connector and have to shell out for a USB adapter if they want to plug a USB directly into their iPad. Timothy Blee calls the lack of a USB "totally unacceptable for a device that aims to largely displace my laptop."
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You people who complain about proprietary and flash (true) seem to be willing trade one "evil" for another... so long as it's Apple-owned.

Talk about being two-faced! :D:D
 
The iPad provides the ultimate browsing experience?

http://theflashblog.com/?p=1703

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Frisco said:
I take offense to that. Most computer users are confused by mice that have more than one button :apple:
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Yeah, anything that comes in a number greater than 1 is terribly confusing. I've tried eating food with fork and knife, but I kept poking my eye with the fork so now I just use a spoon. On the upside, I got rid of that confusing second eye. I tried getting a driver's license, but the two pedals confused the hell out of me. I hope there'll be an Apple car one day with just one pedal.
 
Quick someone develop an App to cover up the blue legos with a smiley face, "There's an App for that".
 
Anuba said:
Why is the U.S. still stuck with the antiquated imperial system with "feet" and "pounds"?
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Well I guess the metric system is an "open standard" and some of you may remember the US actually officially adopted it some decades ago, with a change-by date and everything. I remember seeing my first distance to a city sign on the interstate in both klick and miles and was mildly excited.

The system simply never melded with the national psyche though and in retrospect I'm glad it didn't. (Dunno if making it our official system was ever actually repealed btw) I use grams, millimeters and liters for the things at their scale, whereas centimeters and fractions of meters simply don't visualize well for me. I can "feel" the difference between 5'6" and 5'7" much better than the diff between 168 and 168.4 centimeters and can visualize the full size as well. Similarly when I'm dealing with liters and filling up the car, I grasp the concept of 10 gallons more than, say 48 liters or 4.8 Dekaliters. Celsius degrees and Kilos are also bigger units than the smallest difference that matters to me. 34 Celsius is quite a bit hotter than 32 - much more apparent than between 98 and 100 F.

And it's not only familiarity, though that plays a role certainly. Rather I think it's more that the lb.-foot system units are based on analogs in the real world. A "foot" describes from whence it was derived, while inches relate to the distance between knuckles. A pint's a good-sized quaff ("bring us another half-liter, honey!" I think not.), and a gallon's enough milk for a family for a day or two. And 100 degrees ["It's triple digits out there today, folks!"] sounds and IS hot to us. And zero's as cold as most want to deal with outdoors. 34 C? Is that hot, cold, what?

So metric units, derived as they are from semi-abstract to abstract values (tho' a cubic centimeter of water at 4(?) C is a milliliter and water boiling at 100C at sea level[?] makes more sense than 212 F) may simplify math and doing science, but English units (mostly) simplify grasping the actual world we live in in numbers. And I prefer them where they fit, while freely borrowing metric measures where they work better in a given real world situation, like weighing small quantities of gold in grams.

However, it should be noted, Yankee traders that we are, our currency calculations were decimalized from the start while the English were still mucking about with pound to shilling to ha'penny conversions.

Flash is power hungry because it doesn't take any advantage of hardware acceleration. The CPU has to carry the entire load. It's been that way for 14 years. It renders graphics like Windows 3.1. But the new Flash 10.1 will change all that. It will no longer make the fans spin up like a blowdryer. It's the most radical change Flash has ever seen, and I have no idea why they're calling it 10.1. It should be 11. Heck, it should be Flash 20.
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rearchitected from the ground up? really?
 
Frisco said:
Are we ready to boycott this Maxi Pad to teach Apple a lesson?
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Count me in... $30/month for a broken internet? NO thanks. I would have wanted the 3G version. But I'll keep my MBP and bring my own 3G access.
 
For those wondering what was the removed screen shot in the pic I posted above. Well here it is.

500x_flashporncard.jpg


That's right folks, NO PORN!... I knew this iPad was for women.
 
OMG... I didn't even think about the porn part..... like I said... a MiFi with my MBP.
 
The dang things practically useless without front facing camera, multitasking, and full web(flash) browsing. I just can't understand why gimping a product is within their business model.

What if I wanted to listen to some music while reading an ebook? Can't do that?
 
The iPad hasn't been out for more than two days, and it's already sinking faster than the Titanic.
 
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