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Display of Flash Content in iPad Promo Materials Likely Not Indicative of Actual Flash Compatibility

fribhey said:
you can't be serious.... at what point in the advertisement are they promising support for flash let alone even mentioning flash?
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They are treading dangerous territory. They are advertising the fact that the iPad will display a properly rendered NYT page.

If enough consumers buy with the expectation of the product rendering NYT as advertised and it does not deliver then expect potential lawsuit, FTC investigation.

They need to put in a disclaimer on the video that the NYT is a mockup and will not render on iPads as shown.
 
Getting ready to write a blog article about the iPad... just watching Steve again when he has the slide about what this next piece of technology needs to do better than the iPhone and MacBook (Pro). The only thing it does better than both is eBook reading, and it doesn't even do some things the phone does like video/still pictures/or actual phone calls.

It certainly doesn't do browsing/email/video/music/photos/Games better than my MacBook Pro. It probably does browsing/email better than iPhone. Who wants to play games on a slab of this size. It's good for workouts on your upper body, but I can't see holding this large tablet, err pad and using the accelerometer to play games. That may look a bit too gay.

So this is really an eBook reader, with a lot of nice extras.
 
Flash

I know someone that is one of the developers for the iPad and he has has the iPad at his work station for over a year. He is able to confirm that they are not supporting Flash. But cant say if they will or wont in the future.
 
fat phil said:
Intrusive advertisements on every inch of a webpage and badly written scripts are essential to what? Masochism?

There are great benefits to Flash, unfortunately 99% of the interweb doesn't seem to think the benefits for good content outweight the importance of splattering annoying crap all over the place.

Personally I find browsing with Flash disabled a far more pleasurable experience.
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So if flash goes you think adverts will too!?!?!

LMAO!

You would just get gif animations or HTML 5 ones instead AND NO you won't be able to switch them off!

With Flash you can at least make sure adverts are switched off (with click to flash for example) and when they turn into HTML format you will enjoy them full on without any option!

You tools!
 
PeterQVenkman said:
Flash gets lower consumption than that on all but Hulu:

http://i.engadget.com/2009/11/17/adobes-flash-player-10-1-beta-gpu-acceleration-tested-document/

Edit: not on the mac, of course, but you can thank Apple for not allowing the simple fix (GPU acceleration) and Adobe for not writing it well in the first place.
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12% for a 720p youtube video, that's pretty damn impressive, and making html5 less exciting for videos. Though I still want HTML5 it seems that in terms of web videos flash is going to be superior. The only thing I hope for the future is the ability of being able to upload multiple types of videos and being able to watch the original, with its original quality.
 
rpchan said:
I greatly dislike flash. As a graphic designer, artist and marketing professional I understand that flash is mostly a liability and only really functions on sites where is it tightly integrated with HTML... Hulu being one of the few examples of where flash works.

Flash ads generally bog down any computer I am on mac or pc. God forbid your customer gets a you need to spend 10 minutes downloading the new version of flash in order to view this content.

It is a fact that judgements are made about the quality of a webpage within a few seconds... five seconds of loading flash content and you have already lost most of your customers.

Flash is equivalently to some form of virus. A broken plug-in icon is preferable to flash not working and ruining my experience.
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Marketing Professional eh.
All you are talking about is some hugely personal bias.
Sites are judged in a few seconds...who says...you?
I run a site rated in the top 1% of all sites worldwide.
We incorporate HTML, java and Flash. Flash has NEVER caused us to lose customers or receive negative feedback from them.
"I greatly dislike Flash......Flash is equivalent to a virus!"
Well that says it all. :rolleyes:
 
It is not about movies, it is about Flash games

Evangelist4Him said:
Don't get me wrong: I love Apple and am a Mac user from way back. But what in the world is the problem with Apple not wanting to support Flash on it's mobile devices??? Doesn't anybody have a clue? I mean it's way obvious that a vast majority of websites use Flash in one form or another. Particularly in the case of streaming video content that was archived. I just can't figure out why Apple (read: Steve Jobs) would have against Flash?! Is it Adobe? Did they do something, eg like the CEO of McGraw Publishers??? ;) Any comments or ideas?? :confused:
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It is common misconception: the only reason for Flash to exist is to watch H.264 movies. Flash is there for interactive animations on web sites and most important it allows to deliver small interactive games to the user over web browser. The amount of Flash games out there will put Apple app store to shame. This is the primary reason for no Flash on any Apple controlled consumer gimmick products, H.264 movies is just a lame excuse...
 
*LTD* said:
Other industry players are slagging on the iPad out of pure fear, because Apple is about to redefine the game again.

Love it.
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Which "industry players" are slagging the iPad? All of the content I've read from people who actually have an understanding of the industry (i.e. not bots like you) see this train wreck for what it is.

I still think there's a glimmer of hope that Apple will realize their folly and "fix it in the mix" in future releases, like they did with the iPhone. Eventually they may get there, but currently this new appliance makes even the Apple TV look good - and that's a sad day for those of us who want Apple to innovate. There will be plenty of alternatives to the closed-system walled garden of the iPad this year. Apple will really have to try a bit harder to convince consumers that such a locked-in environment is in their interests.
 
oldwatery said:
Marketing Professional eh.
All you are talking about is some hugely personal bias.
Sites are judged in a few seconds...who says...you?
I run a site rated in the top 1% of all sites worldwide.
We incorporate HTML, java and Flash. Flash has NEVER caused us to lose customers or receive negative feedback from them.
"I greatly dislike Flash......Flash is equivalent to a virus!"
Well that says it all. :rolleyes:
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http://www.annoyingdesign.org/blog/2009/05/07/average-time-spent-on-site-56-seconds/
 
Reed Rothchild said:
Which "industry players" are slagging the iPad? All of the content I've read from people who actually have an understanding of the industry (i.e. not bots like you) see this train wreck for what it is.
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You mean like Steve Ballmer on the iPhone, for instance?
 
PeterQVenkman said:
Flash gets lower consumption than that on all but Hulu:

http://i.engadget.com/2009/11/17/adobes-flash-player-10-1-beta-gpu-acceleration-tested-document/

Edit: not on the mac, of course, but you can thank Apple for not allowing the simple fix (GPU acceleration) and Adobe for not writing it well in the first place.
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Edit: This double posted, because this site went down or something, and then I pressed refresh.
12% for a 720p youtube video, that's pretty damn impressive, and making html5 less exciting for videos. Though I still want HTML5 it seems that in terms of web videos flash is going to be superior. The only thing I hope for the future is the ability of being able to upload multiple types of videos and being able to watch the original, with its original quality.
 
Also, as Daring Fireball points out, it’s not just mouseovers that make Flash impossible to get working right on any tablet. There’s also the keyboard: realtime key control is used by many Flash games, including the need for chording (hitting space to fire while hitting up-arrow to jump and right arrow to travel, or whatever.) This is just not going to work well with an on-screen keyboard.

Games are one big reason for the demand for Flash, and they’d suffer the most: no keyboard, no clickless mouse steering, and the slow mobile performance would be aggravating. Just spend $0-$5 and get a native game! Tons of Flash games have been ported already.

(Video is the other big reason for demand—and we’ve all seen great ways to do video without Flash, including from the biggest Flash video site of all: YouTube.)
 
nagromme said:
No it wouldn’t, and neither Apple, nor Adobe, nor anyone else can change that.

Apple’s mice have had MORE than two buttons for years. Third-party mice with right-click were supported—and well--since the 90s!
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Listen, if you want to debate in an open way, fine, but you're statement is ridiculous, and makes you sound like a Brown-nose.
 
dernhelm said:
You guys are missing the point.

An advertisement showing a device doing something is the same as a statement indicating that the device does the thing. Apple has therefore stated that the iPad can display Flash content. I will now rest my entire livelihood on the fact that the iPad can display Flash content.

I will double mortgage my home and sell all my vehicles in anticipation of the iPad doing Flash content. I will quit my job so I can start a company that produces Flash content for the iPad.

If Apple does not produce an iPad capable of displaying Flash content in 60 days it will ruin me psychologically, emotionally, and financially. I will need at least 5-8 years to recover during which time I will expect Apple to recompense me for any lost income.
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Signs of a true :apple: fanboy. :p :D
 
-=XX=-Nephilim said:
So if flash goes you think adverts will too!?!?!

LMAO!

You would just get gif animations or HTML 5 ones instead AND NO you won't be able to switch them off!

With Flash you can at least make sure adverts are switched off (with click to flash for example) and when they turn into HTML format you will enjoy them full on without any option!

You tools!
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The problem isn't the adverts themselves (I'd never advocate removing someone's income), it's the implementation.

Flash is a bloated fat-arsed runtime plug-in, which when placed in the hands of the inexperienced (and that accounts for a lot of people) can turn an otherwise nice browsing experience into a hash of a mess.

Feel free to return to your former state; it's entertaining.
 
I like a good, out there conspiracy theory. Here's mine for why Apple refuses to support Flash for iPod/iPad:

Could there be an under the table deal between Apple and AT&T to not allow Flash support to help with AT&T's already struggling bandwidth issues?

If AT&T is already having trouble with iPhones taxing their systems in larger markets without Flash, how bad would it be with Flash?

It could be that they anticipated this from the get go and asked Apple to keep Flash under wraps.
 
Update: MacRumors has heard from a source that The New York Times itself generated high-resolution images of several of its pages, including Flash and ad content, in order to improve the look of the pages for Apple's use in iPad marketing materials.

Call me stupid but this sure looks like deceptive advertising to me. Unless the NYT changes it's site before the iPad ships of course.
 
No flash on such a nice device/screen like that!!! I will have to put my hands on one to see if it's worth given up the whole internet experience just to have an MAC OS on a tablet. If it is not, I will end up buying a Dell Mini and hackintoshing for a couple hundred less. I know there is no comparison between the two, but it's content is what we are after, and once apple figures it out if will hurt a percentage of buyers, maybe, just maybe they will change their mind.
 
oldwatery said:
Yeh...so please do point out where it states that a site is judged in a few seconds :confused:
It says that the average time spent on a PAGE is 56 seconds.
Your statement is groundless and you just proved it.
Like I said....biased.....pure and simple!
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What statement? I included a link which shows some stats. I never said anything about a few seconds. I have had flash intro pages take 20-30 seconds to load though. But I'm usually gone from a flash site faster than a non-flash site.
 
furi0usbee said:
Getting ready to write a blog article about the iPad... just watching Steve again when he has the slide about what this next piece of technology needs to do better than the iPhone and MacBook (Pro). The only thing it does better than both is eBook reading, and it doesn't even do some things the phone does like video/still pictures/or actual phone calls.

It certainly doesn't do browsing/email/video/music/photos/Games better than my MacBook Pro. It probably does browsing/email better than iPhone. Who wants to play games on a slab of this size. It's good for workouts on your upper body, but I can't see holding this large tablet, err pad and using the accelerometer to play games. That may look a bit too gay.

So this is really an eBook reader, with a lot of nice extras.
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There's a proverb for that:

"A book is like a garden carried in the pocket"

Just thought I'd share that with you. :)
 
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