Display of Flash Content in iPad Promo Materials Likely Not Indicative of Actual Flash Compatibility

[Jphillippe]

shame shame shame on you apple.....go on time out...shame on you..lol

anyway false advertisement or not, that iPad is a gimmick, and Apple is taking technology to a direction far from its intended purpose, thin and beautiful, over strong and powerful. Their prices aren't even true representations of the materials they assemble to create their products.

Anyway point is, folks, they are feeding you this iPad through your eyes, with fake images, beautiful physical characteristics, but handicapped functionality.
lack of this lack of that, only to pop out with a new product six months from now and take the money you all work hard for. Learn to save money, I'm not directing the rich people, but people I know make sacrifices to buy these products because they are fans...Think of productivity over unnecessary luxuries. Stop enriching these big corporations like Apple investing in nonsense, only so they can hit you in the head with these unrealistic projections.

Just my 2 cents, take it or leave it

Peace

 

[scroto]

Other industry players are slagging on the iPad out of pure fear, because Apple is about to redefine the game again.

Love it.

Keep telling yourself that, as Apples stock tanks. Nobody's impressed except you and a couple other fanboys.

 

[Reed Rothchild]

Which "industry players" are slagging the iPad? All of the content I've read from people who actually have an understanding of the industry (i.e. not bots like you) see this train wreck for what it is.

You mean like Steve Ballmer on the iPhone, for instance?

Wow, a perfect reading comprehension failure case study right there.

 

[ChazUK]

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I'd never assume Flash was going to iPhone OS until I'd heard it specifically from Adobe and Apple.

Whilst I'm not allergic to Flash, Apple must have their reasons why it isn't supported and (as I've said before) if you want a tablet with flash, buy a tablet with flash from the competition. If you're so insistent on complaining about the iPad's weakness yet still buy one, more fool you.

If you're not interested in the iPad and just want to complain about what it doesn't have then that is a Tad trollish IMO.

 

[nagromme]

Listen, if you want to debate in an open way, fine, but you're statement is ridiculous, and makes you sound like a Brown-nose.

I linked to my facts and my reasons. They are accurate and well-explained.

Because I do like open debate better than childish name-calling

 

[ipadsad]

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I'd never assume Flash was going to iPhone OS until I'd heard it specifically from Adobe and Apple.

Whilst I'm not allergic to Flash, Apple must have their reasons why it isn't supported and (as I've said before) if you want a tablet with flash, buy a tablet with flash from the competition. If you're so insistent on complaining about the iPad's weakness yet still buy one, more fool you.

If you're not interested in the iPad and just want to complain about what it doesn't have then that is a Tad trollish IMO.

I love it... their stock is way down today... hopefully because of this lame "tablet thing" they threw out. Maybe it will make them rethink their strategy and make a more useful device. Money talks... don't buy the crippled thing and sell your apple stock.

(Written on my macbook pro 17" pre-unibody)

 

[fat phil]

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I'd never assume Flash was going to iPhone OS until I'd heard it specifically from Adobe and Apple.

Whilst I'm not allergic to Flash, Apple must have their reasons why it isn't supported and (as I've said before) if you want a tablet with flash, buy a tablet with flash from the competition. If you're so insistent on complaining about the iPad's weakness yet still buy one, more fool you.

If you're not interested in the iPad and just want to complain about what it doesn't have then that is a Tad trollish IMO.

Blimey that was a bit sensible, I thought I was in the wrong thread.

Well said.

 

[DaBrain]

I just did and it crashed my Safari!

So much for great HTML 5

Well it worked ok here, but when loading ( I thought HTML had no buffering ) it beach balled several times and then played. At times it was not smooth but it did play and video quality was ok.

Oh and I was surprised it went full wide screen.

I would imagine in time it will be great.

 

[Hugh]

Html 5

I just did and it crashed my Safari!

So much for great HTML 5

Didn't crash for me. Played real nice, and my fan didn't come on!

Hugh

 

[interestedabit]

Keep telling yourself that, as Apples stock tanks. Nobody's impressed except you and a couple other fanboys.

Actually many people are impressed and this will sell millions and be a common household item within a couple of years.

 

[mabaker]

The flash talk is especially getting ridiculous considering it's running like a damn turtle on each and every mac out there.

 

[ipadsad]

How honest are they??

The ads showing flash content on their devices seems very deceptive. Additionally, As far as the I7 Imac issues, Apple seems to know about the problems and doesn't want to admit it to the public...

http://gizmodo.com/5459384/the-faulty-imac-saga-chapter-3-we-have-your-internal-memo-apple

Apple is becoming a rotten company... lame tablet with no FLASH support, no camera, crippled... and they are having problems with quality control. I would sell my apple stock and not buy anything from them until they get their act together.

My opinion, supported by facts... read the article...

 

[furi0usbee]

The flash talk is especially getting ridiculous considering it's running like a damn turtle on each and every mac out there.

Actually, I've noticed some sites I've been going to, flash is crashing as I'm reloading a page or pausing/playing/using flash controls. This has happened about 5 or 6 times in the last week.

Personally, I have zero use for flash outside of letting me listen to audio or watching video. I think it's only good as a player. However, I'd prefer that QT was the standard for streaming.

 

[ChazUK]

Blimey that was a bit sensible, I thought I was in the wrong thread.

Well said.

Thanks Phil. My opinions on these forums are changing quickly with the iPad negativity. (I have even been a whiner like that myself, but it stops now)

I can't help but feel that some (if not most) of the complaints are just for the sake of it.

I can now see why so many apple fans get so pissed off on these forums. If Apple had total control of the tablet market and were forcing certain standards down your throat hen yes, complain but, it's a free market and there are alternatives that do all of what people have whined about.
The answer to the complaints is simple!

 

[furi0usbee]

I would sell my apple stock and not buy anything from them until they get their act together.

Umm.. don't mix personal feelings with business decisions. You may not like the direction they are going, or their products, but enough people do that their shareholders actually make *a lot* of money these days. So you'd be unwise to sell, unless you bought around $80. Then I'd unload. I think this company has so much up-side. How many other companies get this much free press?

 

[ipadsad]

Umm.. don't mix personal feelings with business decisions. You may not like the direction they are going, or their products, but enough people do that their shareholders actually make *a lot* of money these days. So you'd be unwise to sell, unless you bought around $80. Then I'd unload. I think this company has so much up-side. How many other companies get this much free press?

Sometimes I prefer to put principles over greed... and I'm not so sure of their upside anymore, even if the analysts are bullish. Perhaps if they release a good update to the iphone or some great I5/I7 laptops AND get the I7 imac FIXED. I am looking to get something with nahalem arcitecture and OS X. The ipad just sickened me... if they had billed it as a kindle killer vs. "the most important thing" steve had ever done... what BS.

 

[oldwatery]

What statement? I included a link which shows some stats. I never said anything about a few seconds. I have had flash intro pages take 20-30 seconds to load though. But I'm usually gone from a flash site faster than a non-flash site.

My appologies. I thought you were the original poster responding to my reply.
Me bad

 

[kingtj]

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You hit the nail on the head. Apple doesn't want to encourage the continued use of Adobe Flash, because there are other, standard ways to accomplish the same thing (and they'd quite likely be more stable and secure, to boot).

The problem I see with it is, the horse has been out of the barn for a long time already. Too much good content was wrapped around Flash, and special purpose devices like a cellphone or tablet probably aren't enough "leverage" to convince a lot of web site developers to redo all of their work with other tools.

I know Apple likes to be on the cutting edge with industry changes, at times. (Remember when they declared the floppy disk as "dead" and quit putting one in any of their Macs? That frustrated people for years, since the far more dominant PC clones kept on using them. But in the long-run, people decided it was a good move on Apple's part. They just weren't quite a big enough player to force everyone else to change.)

All in all, I think this is the same situation.... Apple isn't "wrong" to say it's time to give up on Flash content. But they'd be wiser to encourage the change by using other tools on their OWN web site and providing good tools so others can do so, too. Let Adobe go on and release a Flash plug-in for the iPad if they so desire -- but point out the advantages of coding with alternatives!

And maybe those sites will stop using the proprietary Adobe-controlled Flash formats and use open standards like H.264 and HTML5 to present content.

That is really what Adobe fears.

Apple would be wise to create a content creation tool to wrap up the raw video/audio into a HTML5-based player that can be dropped into existing web content. This is what Flash really brought to the table; an authoring environment that allowed content creators to add more value to just a video file (via skinnable interactive ubiquitous players, ad overlays, watermarks, full-creen etc).

 

[LagunaSol]

So you'd be unwise to sell, unless you bought around $80. Then I'd unload. I think this company has so much up-side.

Huh? If the company has so much upside, why would you unload now regardless of what you purchased for? I bought mine at $13 (yeah, wish I had bought a lot more) and I fully expect to see it over $300 within the next couple of years. Right now they're trading under 20 P/E, despite record sales and growth in a bad recession. Amazon is at what, 70 P/E?

Apple is currently valued (P/E-wise) with the likes of lowly Dell, whose future is unimpressive. Apple is undervalued. Period.

The problem I see with it is, the horse has been out of the barn for a long time already. Too much good content was wrapped around Flash, and special purpose devices like a cellphone or tablet probably aren't enough "leverage" to convince a lot of web site developers to redo all of their work with other tools.

Yet they probably are enough "leverage" to convince a lot of website developers to use other tools for future iterations of their sites (no website is a static thing these days). The bulk of browsing in the future will happen on handheld devices. Connect the dots.

 

[jeznav]

BREAKING NEWS: Adobe soon releasing Flash player alternative!

The upcoming Adobe CS5 suite utilizes a next-gen graphics format called FXG (Flash XML Graphics). It is an enhanced version of SVG supporting vector based graphics including Illustrator formats. It also has the capability of storing vector based animations found in flash.

The main feature about this new format is its HTML5 ready. It utilizes CANVAS tag as a vehicle and javascript (renderFXG.js) to have the ability of Flash including animations without any flash plugins.

According to Wikipedia: "The FXG rendering model follows very closely the Flash Player 10 rendering model and exposes all graphics capabilities of the Flash platform as well as offering expandable support to accommodate future capabilities of the Flash Player"

Here is a demo showing what Flash CS5 can do:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v69S22ZBBqA
Skip to 3:30 to see Flash exporting to HTML5

More info:
http://kevinsuttle.com/how-adobe-made-the-flash-platform-beyond-future-proof

 

[FCPnewbie]

Regardless of why Apple doesn't support flash, it seems ludicrous to me that with the proliferation of flash on the web that you can introduce a made for the internet device without flash support. Sure there are other ways to do what flash does, but a large percentage of sites and services are currently using flash.

This smells of Bluray to me. Apple defiantly stomping their foot like an angry child and refusing to conform to the industry standard just because they don't like it.

The iPad isn't a pro level device, therefore it's targeted at consumers correct? Shouldn't a product geared toward consumers be easy to use and work with existing standards as to please the maximum amount of consumers?

 

[PeterQVenkman]

No it wouldn’t, and neither Apple, nor Adobe, nor anyone else can change that.

You seem to be claiming that mouseover actions are rarely used (or rarely important) in Flash navigation, Flash video players, and Flash games. Not true.

I'm not claiming that. I was trying to say that the Flash plugin could work fine if Apple and Adobe could ever stop their cat-fighting and port it to iPhone OS. As developers, we now need to solve the problem of not using rollover at all to accommodate touchscreen devices.

The rollover issue is not unique to flash- it also carries over to CSS/javascript/whatever sites when viewed on an iPhone/iPad.

For these next two, I'm just playing devil's advocate. Just a little friendly teasing!

Here’s just a few examples of how mouseovers (which can’t be done right on a touchscreen) are vital in Flash:

* Games where you steer without clicking

Tilt, touchscreen sticks, or a virtual wheel. This is done pretty well on iPhone games.

* Maps and diagrams that don’t use click at all, but pop up info on mouseover.

Doesn't Google maps work OK on iPhone?

OK, I'm done teasing.

* Menus that popup up subpage links when you mouseover, vs. going directly to a main category page when you click.

* Buttons that have required explanations on mouseover, which you need to understand before deciding what to click. (Or before you even know exactly what the button leads to.)

* And ANY old plain button (these are the exception, granted) that happens to be programmed so that it isn’t even SENSITIVE to clicks until AFTER the mouseover event is processed.

Mouseovers are pervasive and vital to the functioning of a huge number of Flash sites (maybe most). Right-clicking for a menu is trivial in comparison.

I’m a Flash developer, and I pay attention to how other Flash sites are done, and I can guarantee you that mouseovers (responses that don’t need a click) are commonplace and often fundamental to the use of the page.

All valid points. That's a problem developers like you or I will have to fix. Unfortunately, a lot of sites that rely on those methods simply won't translate to iPhone/iPod Touch/iPad. I think the iPhone publishing in CS5 will let us get a handle on that. It's just another problem for us to solve with a browser/device/OS detect.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

Intrusive advertisements on every inch of a webpage and badly written scripts are essential to what? Masochism?

There are great benefits to Flash, unfortunately 99% of the interweb doesn't seem to think the benefits for good content outweight the importance of splattering annoying crap all over the place.

Personally I find browsing with Flash disabled a far more pleasurable experience.

Flash is not the problem there. It's advertising. When HTML5 ads are common place, we'd better hope there is way to block those ads.

 

[Nuvi]

Thanks Phil. My opinions on these forums are changing quickly with the iPad negativity. (I have even been a whiner like that myself, but it stops now)

I can't help but feel that some (if not most) of the complaints are just for the sake of it.

Apple has been hitting home runs for some time now. I think its safe to say many expected more then iPad is offering. Who can blame them. The hype was insane with Apple saying its best and most advanced product ever, its magical... Unfortunately, many feel that this time Apple just didn't rise to the occasion.

 

[zarusoba]

It's false advertising unless those sites shown in he ad function properly by the time of the iPad's release. That won't be due to support for Flash: it will be because the websites shown in the ad are changed to run properly on the iPad.

But what would I know: I ain't no rocket surgeon.