I just did and it crashed my Safari!
So much for great HTML 5
that was pretty cool until i clicked to enlarge the video and was blown away by its size and clarity
. holy crap...!!!update here is the link: http://jilion.com/sublime/video
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Display of Flash Content in iPad Promo Materials Likely Not Indicative of Actual Flash Compatibility
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that was pretty cool until i clicked to enlarge the video and was blown away by its size and clarity
. holy crap...!!!update here is the link: http://jilion.com/sublime/video
Unfortunately it does not work with Firefox, Mozilla and Opera does not support H.264 because it's a proprietary format (Apple Inc being one of the licensors). Theora and Vorbis are the formats specified in the html5 standard. But given the size of Youtube I guess we'll probably see some plugin for FF eventually.
Absolutely. Things can be re-built in new ways, and will be exciting times ahead, Flash or not.
Unfortunately, when people want Flash, they mean they want to go to Flash sites and have them workall of themNOW. They dont just want Flash on future sites that will adapt for tablets.
But the future IS wide open, and if not Flash, well have something very Flash-like one of these days
As a Flash developer, I wont mind if it IS Flash, evolved into something lean, efficient, and stable. And at that time, Ill start wanting Flash on my iPhone/iPad. (Apple, however, may not.)
75 of a billion pages leaves me with a lot to play with.
and most of that is adverts
cnn.mobile seems remarkably flash free.
Meh. Don't miss it any more than silverlight media players
Thanks Phil. My opinions on these forums are changing quickly with the iPad negativity. (I have even been a whiner like that myself, but it stops now)
I can't help but feel that some (if not most) of the complaints are just for the sake of it.
I can now see why so many apple fans get so pissed off on these forums. If Apple had total control of the tablet market and were forcing certain standards down your throat hen yes, complain but, it's a free market and there are alternatives that do all of what people have whined about.
The answer to the complaints is simple!
Often, a certain kind of Apple complainers are fighting against choice—and that does bother me some.
Apple designing everything together as a unified whole is “closed” in a sense, certainly, and that carries with it certain disadvantages to some. But it ALSO has very real advantages that no other process can deliver, and no other company does.
So people who want Apple to be just like Microsoft or Google or whoever, want to take AWAY my choice to have those unique Apple advantages. The iPad is worse for not having Flash. In some ways. It is also, in other ways, better. Don’t take that choice away from me. Just choose something else (netbook?) for yourself.
Of course I realize people want their cake and eat it too—they want SOME of Apple’s advantages, and are willing to give up others (or have fooled themselves into thinking it can all be done at once). So I can understand voicing those desires. Just don’t forget to tell Apple too. Then you’re being heard instead of just complaining to a vacuum.
Anyway... there are many myths about Apple that get bleated over and over with no basis in reality. And my very favorite: the myth that Apple fans never criticize anything Apple does, and accept everything “as is.” Apple fans are an intensely critical bunch, always demanding more (often the impossible), and always threatening to switch to Windows, or Android, or live in the hills off roots and berries, or whatever. They’re not likely to actually do it, but the cycle of whining is as predictable as the seasons. (See Thread 500.)
Go back and watch the iPad promo video (it's not even an ad folks!) on Apple's site. Then at 1:15, pause it, then screen zoom to the browser address bar in the video. You'll see the URL is a page off of apple.com, not the actual New York Times site. So it's just a mock-up... exactly what I originally thought, but actually spent a few minutes to check. This is why the promo goes much smoother than Steve's live demo.
UPDATE: It appears Apple messed up at the 1:15 and forgot to change the address. At 2:04 they go to the NYT site and shows the correct URL, then they scroll down and you see the flash ad.
Apple got caught... yes very sneaky............
I don't care about flash either way. But seeing as how sneaky Apple was, and in being careless to forget to at least type in www.nytimes.com in the address bar before they did the showing at 1:15... I may have changed my mind about this promo. So you have to lie to make us believe the iPad is the best browser by fabricating a web page? THis is great. I have a nice piece of evidence for my blog post. I already wasn't high on the iPad.... as it doesn't do anything better than the iPhone or MacBook other than read eBooks. But since this deception has taken a new step, I think I'll really be dumping on this thing from now on. I don't like liars. Steve.. you know who you are. Just like when he said he had no intentions of a camera in the last iPod Touch revision... uh huh...
Next I'm going to find out the guy typing wasn't actually creating the text input....
Next I'm going to find out the guy typing wasn't actually creating the text input....
The target demographic for this device, as the negative reaction on MR has indicated, is not tech nerds who score cool points for dissing Flash. It's mainstream consumers. Many of them don't even know what Flash is, it's just content as far as they're concerned.
To omit Flash on iPhone isn't a dealbreaker since the browsing experience is so crippled anyway, but it's a whole other story on a screen like the iPad. Mainstream consumers who see pages full of boxes with blue Lego pieces on them aren't going to say "go Apple! Way to show those Adobe bastards", they're simply going to say that their new shiny iPad is a POS that doesn't work.
And content providers aren't going to start a costly migration from Flash unless the iPad's browser market share hits a healthy 10% or so. Well, the iPhone is at 0.44% market share in the webstats after 2.5 years, so I wouldn't hold my breath for a mass exodus from the Flash platform. It's been around for 14 years and it's going to be around for another 14 years. It may lose considerable market share during that time, but it's not going anywhere. Even Microsoft have been unsuccessful at competing with Flash, and they have their own freaking Flash, Silverlight. It's been out for 2 years, it ships with Win7, but you rarely see any Silverlight content outside microsoft.com.
Standards with such a massive market share as that of Flash are damn near impossible to kill, no matter how much they stink and no matter how superior the alternatives are. Just look at Windows.
To omit Flash on iPhone isn't a dealbreaker since the browsing experience is so crippled anyway, but it's a whole other story on a screen like the iPad. Mainstream consumers who see pages full of boxes with blue Lego pieces on them aren't going to say "go Apple! Way to show those Adobe bastards", they're simply going to say that their new shiny iPad is a POS that doesn't work.
And content providers aren't going to start a costly migration from Flash unless the iPad's browser market share hits a healthy 10% or so. Well, the iPhone is at 0.44% market share in the webstats after 2.5 years, so I wouldn't hold my breath for a mass exodus from the Flash platform. It's been around for 14 years and it's going to be around for another 14 years. It may lose considerable market share during that time, but it's not going anywhere. Even Microsoft have been unsuccessful at competing with Flash, and they have their own freaking Flash, Silverlight. It's been out for 2 years, it ships with Win7, but you rarely see any Silverlight content outside microsoft.com.
Standards with such a massive market share as that of Flash are damn near impossible to kill, no matter how much they stink and no matter how superior the alternatives are. Just look at Windows.
Doesn't anybody realize that Flash is obsolete? It was designed when (relatively speaking) bandwidth was at a premium while local processing power was plentiful. Today (again relatively speaking) the situation is reversed - and it will only continue to improve on the side of bandwidth. (There is an inverse relation between processing power and bandwidth: the more bandwidth you have, the less local processing you need.) Plus Flash is a proprietary technology that Apple doesn't control. In a high-bandwidth world, HTML 5 can do everything that Flash can do - better - and as a universal standard. This is about Apple ensuring that it and it alone controls its own destiny - and if that means changing the established order - then the order is going to change.
Oh my Lord, imagine the outrage if another large software company had cheated like that!
Oh my Lord, imagine the outrage if another large software company had cheated like that!
It just goes to show that companies have to lie to get their products out there. It's just funny that nobody noticed that as I'm sure the scrutiny with flash was known... as evidence but the bogus page they created.
Welcome to MacRumors... your regurgitation of the posts before yours fits in nicely. Nobody is stopping you from buying the
So browing the 'mobile' site is the best internet experience on earth?
If I want my iPad to heat up like an oven, drain the device's battery immensely -- not to mention the millions of system and browser crashes that would occur -- I'll be out of luck.
If I were to play Farmville on my 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro, the CPU usage jumps around the 40% to 60%, no matter which browser I use. That is plainly not acceptable. My computer is relatively modern, with enough horse power to work Final Cut. Imagine these same CPU requirements for an iPad. Adobe, before you advertise Flash so greatly, please create an optimised version for Mac OS X and iPhone OS: not just for Windows.
(Personally I would like to see Flash disappear altogether, replaced by other frameworks and languages which fit in with the modern world wide web today, which is possible.)
Also for a good read about Flash: http://www.useit.com/alertbox/20001029.html
For all the flash fans... really, can you imagine several Safari tabs open with flash running on those sites. Then keeping it running while you go do something else. I can hear the battery draining.
If Adobe truly has a way to run in on the iPhone, release it to the jailbreaking community. I blame Adobe more for not getting it up to snuff than for Apple's hardware not allowing it.
If Adobe truly has a way to run in on the iPhone, release it to the jailbreaking community. I blame Adobe more for not getting it up to snuff than for Apple's hardware not allowing it.
For all the flash fans... really, can you imagine several Safari tabs open with flash running on those sites. Then keeping it running while you go do something else. I can hear the battery draining.
If Adobe truly has a way to run it on the iPhone, release it to the jailbreaking community. I blame Adobe more for not getting it up to snuff than for Apple's hardware not allowing it.
If Adobe truly has a way to run it on the iPhone, release it to the jailbreaking community. I blame Adobe more for not getting it up to snuff than for Apple's hardware not allowing it.
We're talking about a mobile device here. You're talking as if the iPad will be hardwired to a fiber cable that's thicker than your arm.
One of the plans that the 3G iPad will be sold with is capped at 250 MB per month. OK? 250 MB. The transition to mobile internet has sent us back to the 1990's. I'm sure life will be lovely in the year 2020 when everyone has unlimited 5G data plans, but for now, I'd say bandwidth/data size savers like Flash are more relevant than before the mobile internet boom.
Am I missing something or does the iPad really DO flash. On the video on Apple's site where they talk about it, he really is on the nytimes.com web site...
http://www.apple.com/ipad/
Go to 2 minutes and 5 seconds, and watch from there....
I'm confused now!
http://www.apple.com/ipad/
Go to 2 minutes and 5 seconds, and watch from there....
I'm confused now!
I think its kind of sad that SJ said "you get the best browsing experience with iPad". Honestly, do they really think that? I mean thats just crazy. IMHO, they must realize it is not the case. I mean I can have many simultaneous browser windows open in my Mac's, I can watch QT movies, Win Media etc. etc. I can have Flash if I want; you name it we can do it. But with iPad its just so limited. God, I honestly hope what SJ said was just biggest marketing crap ever and not what they think is "the best browsing experience".
Just like Safari, you can go to a site, then type any address in the address bar, then click out of it and it looks like you are at that address. I think they forgot this in reverse at the 1:15 mark.
100% False Advertising
100% False Advertising.
They are showing that you can do something with the iPad that in reality you can't do at all.
Shame on Apple for basically attempting fraud, and shame on Apple for not having friggin' Flash by now in their iPhones, iPod Touches, & iPads.
100% False Advertising.
They are showing that you can do something with the iPad that in reality you can't do at all.
Shame on Apple for basically attempting fraud, and shame on Apple for not having friggin' Flash by now in their iPhones, iPod Touches, & iPads.
Ask yourselves this. Do you need to think of a reason to buy the MacBook Pro? Apple is asking us to think of a reason to buy this thing. Reading books is not a main reason for me. So after that, I don't know what is. If my MacBook Pro had 3G, I wouldn't even watch the iPad promo.
The ability to have internet access anywhere on a large screen would the only factor for me. Books are nice too. But my MacBook Pro can do everything the wi-fi version does, and it does it much better.
Well, if you're watching a youtube video, and you scroll down the page enough to hide the video, cpu usage goes down to like 2%. Though I do know a couple of flash ads that take CPU power even when hidden.
