DisplayMate: iPhone XS Max Has Best Smartphone Display Ever

[FFR]

Samsung S9 and Note 9 are green in ALL AREAS....the true best smartphone displays but you guys should thank Samsung for supplying yours on the Xs and Xs Max which is green in some areas but gets the same grade SMH payolla....

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This is what I called deceptive and sensationalized headline.

The truth is this: XSM is a top display but still doesnt match Note9 (in terms of peak brightness, color gamut, color accuracy, color shift, sharpness. I didnt make these up. Go compare XSM and Note9 scores in displaymate.



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Props to Apple. But something doesn't add up with Display Mates statements and tests. Screenshot below:

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1. They stated XS Max match / sets record for Absolute Color Accuracy which is false. Note 9 is .5, Xs Max is .8.
2. Screen brightness is higher on Note 9. Although this is because of Samsung High Brightness mode. However, I don't think this should be a negative. Samsung enables hibrightnessgh brightness in direct sunlight or when it detects a lot of light.
3. Contrast rating for Note 9 is 161 which is more than Max Xs at 140. (again due to high mode).
4. They said the Max Xs has the lowest screen reflectance ever at 4.7% but they measure the Note 9 at 4.4%.

A lot of inconsistencies. If you dig deeper there is a few more.

Not trying to knock the Xs. It has 1 of if not the best displays currently. But DisplayMate made blatant errors.

Honestly I think you guys are acting in a ridiculous and childish manner. Your essentially blasting and attacking displaymate and attempting to invalidate their results on the iPhone X’s max by using displaymates results fot the note 9.

It’s hypocritical and embarrassing both to yourselves and to this site your posting on.

Your taking this way to personally.
It’s just one review, it shouldn’t bother you so much. Enjoy your phones, Notes or iPhones.

 

[laurieballard]

"For example, DisplayMate says the iPhone XS Max has a peak full-screen brightness of up to 660 nits for the sRGB and DCI-P3 color gamuts, which improves screen visibility in high ambient lighting conditions. By comparison, the iPhone X achieved a peak full-screen brightness of 634 nits in its year-ago tests."

Crikey, a whole 26 nits extra to play with. I am on the edge of my seat thinking about all those extra nits.

I went into John Lewis on Sunday and looked at the iPhone X and the XS side by side....genuinely could not tell the difference in regards to the screen.

Some geek living in his mums basement can show there are 26 extra nits (whatever they are) but the average user is never going to tell the difference.

 

[Khedron]

The Xr hasnt been tested and as discussed, a good 720p display will look better than a trash 1080p display.

The iPad pro 10.5 screen is 264ppi and looks fantastic. The Xr had a 6.1 inch 326 ppi screen. It's will look great and be color accurate. Size will be a huge difference and ppi doesn't matter as I demonstrated with the still inferior ppi iPad pro that looks GREAT.

The 8 Plus has a "trash" 1080p display? That's not what Apple was saying last year.

 

[FFR]

The 8 Plus has a "trash" 1080p display? That's not what Apple was saying last year.

I didn’t interpret his post as referring to the the iPhone 8 Plus display.

Where did you read that?

 

[Khedron]

I didn’t interpret his post as referring to the the iPhone 8 Plus display.

Where did you read that?

The discussion in the first place was how can the XR can have the best smartphone LCD if it's lower resolution and lower PPI than last year's 8 Plus.

 

[FFR]

The discussion in the first place was how can the XR can have the best smartphone LCD if it's lower resolution and lower PPI than last year's 8 Plus.

By matching and/or surpassing last years iPhone 8.

Resolution is only one metric of a display.
Ppi is calculated from the resolution and the display size.

If you want to focus on only one metric, go ahead but it’s quite foolish to judge a display or phone by using only one metric.

 

[Khedron]

By matching and/or surpassing last years iPhone 8.

Resolution is only one metric of a display.
Ppi is calculated from the resolution and the display size.

If you want to focus on only one metric, go ahead but it’s quite foolish to judge a display or phone by using only one metric.

From Apple. Differences in bold.

Retina HD display
5.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen LCD Multi-Touch display with IPS technology
1920x1080-pixel resolution at 401 ppi
1300:1 contrast ratio (typical)
True Tone display
Wide colour display (P3)
3D Touch
625 cd/m2 max brightness (typical)
Dual-domain pixels for wide viewing angles
Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating
Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously
Display Zoom
Reachability

Liquid Retina HD display
6.1-inch* (diagonal) all-screen LCD Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology
1792x828-pixel resolution at 326 ppi
1400:1 contrast ratio (typical)
True Tone display
Wide colour display (P3)
625 cd/m2 max brightness (typical)
Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating
Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously

*When measured as a standard rectangular shape, the screen is 6.06 inches diagonally (actual viewable area is less).


28% fewer pixels (not even considering corners and notch), 23% lower PPI, 7.7% higher contrast, no 3D touch.

 

[FFR]

From Apple. Differences in bold.

Retina HD display
5.5-inch (diagonal) widescreen LCD Multi-Touch display with IPS technology
1920x1080-pixel resolution at 401 ppi
1300:1 contrast ratio (typical)
True Tone display
Wide colour display (P3)
3D Touch
625 cd/m2 max brightness (typical)
Dual-domain pixels for wide viewing angles
Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating
Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously
Display Zoom
Reachability

Liquid Retina HD display
6.1-inch* (diagonal) all-screen LCD Multi‑Touch display with IPS technology
1792x828-pixel resolution at 326 ppi
1400:1 contrast ratio (typical)
True Tone display
Wide colour display (P3)
625 cd/m2 max brightness (typical)
Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating
Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously

*When measured as a standard rectangular shape, the screen is 6.06 inches diagonally (actual viewable area is less).


28% fewer pixels (not even considering corners and notch), 23% lower PPI, 7.7% higher contrast, no 3D touch.

Again resolution is only one metric and ppi
Is derived from it and display size.

So they increased contrast ratio?
Huh.

I’m interested to see what apple is going to deliver next month.

What device do you currently use?

 

[Khedron]

Again resolution is only one metric and ppi
Is derived from it and display size.

So they increased contrast ratio?
Huh.

I’m interested to see what apple is going to deliver next month.

What device do you currently use?

They didn't increase the contrast ratio. The lower resolution non-Plus iPhone 8 also had 1400:1 contrast and 326 ppi. The XR display is based on the iPhone 8 specifications rather than the 8 Plus. I don't remember anyone praising the 8 for having a better screen than the 8 Plus last year.

 

[Shanghaichica]

The discussion in the first place was how can the XR can have the best smartphone LCD if it's lower resolution and lower PPI than last year's 8 Plus.

DisplayMate hasn’t tested the Xr yet so why are you asking that question.

 

[FFR]

They didn't increase the contrast ratio. The lower resolution non-Plus iPhone 8 also had 1400:1 contrast and 326 ppi. The XR display is based on the iPhone 8 rather than the 8 Plus. I don't remember anyone praising the 8 for having a better screen than the 8 Plus last year.

But you keep comparing it to the 8plus.
Compared to the 8plus it does have a higher contrast ratio and lower resolution.

If you compare it to the 8 then it has the same contrast and a higher resolution.

The poster you were quoting never praised the xr over the 8plus.
That’s what you did.

So it’s a bit confusing.

What device do you currently use?

 

[Khedron]

But you keep comparing it to the 8plus.
Compared to the 8plus it does have a higher contrast ratio and lower resolution.

If you compare it to the 8 then it has the same contrast and a higher resolution.

The poster you were quoting never praised the xr over the 8plus.
That’s what you did.

So it’s a bit confusing.

What device do you currently use?

Apple didn't qualify that it's only the best smartphone LCD if you're coming from an iPhone 8

 

[FFR]

Apple didn't qualify that it's only the best smartphone LCD if you're coming from an iPhone 8

Your sentence makes no sense.

 

[Blaze4G]

Honestly I think you guys are acting in a ridiculous and childish manner. Your essentially blasting and attacking displaymate and attempting to invalidate their results on the iPhone X’s max by using displaymates results fot the note 9.

It’s hypocritical and embarrassing both to yourselves and to this site your posting on.

Your taking this way to personally.
It’s just one review, it shouldn’t bother you so much. Enjoy your phones, Notes or iPhones.

Lmao I am just pointing out irregularities. It's funny when you did the same exact thing when the Verge put out their review of the Xs Max, saying the Pixel 2 camera is better. You lashed out how they are bias and repeatedly post all types of "evidence" as to why the verge is bias.

You were acting in a ridiculous childish manner. It’s hypocritical and embarrassing to you and this site you're posting on.

You're taking this way too personally.
It’s just one review, it shouldn’t bother you so much.

Everything I stated was facts.

 

[FFR]

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Uh huh.

Enjoy your device.

 

[Blaze4G]

Uh huh.

Enjoy your device.

Got nothing to say because you know you've been caught . Oh this is too fun.

 

[FFR]

Got nothing to say because you know you've been caught . Oh this is too fun.

Nope, don’t want to derail this thread.

You can post in the verge review thread if you want and we can continue it there.

 

[Blaze4G]

Nope, don’t want to derail this thread.

You can post in the verge review thread if you want and we can continue it there.

Haha I am good. Already caught you with your own words.

 

[FFR]

Haha I am good. Already caught you with your own words.

Did the displaymate reviewer predicate his review, by stating he would never forgive apple?

Because that’s the comparison your making.

If you say so.

 

[Blaze4G]

Did the displaymate reviewer predicate his review, by stating he would never forgive apple?

Because that’s the comparison your making.

If you say so.

You're taking this way too personally.
It’s just one review, it shouldn’t bother you so much.

I don't even need to write my own sentences. I'll just copy and paste what you say and use against you.

 

[FFR]

You're taking this way too personally.
It’s just one review, it shouldn’t bother you so much.

I don't even need to write my own sentences. I'll just copy and paste what you say and use against you.

If your going to quote me at lest be accurate.
The verge review was multiple reviews with a history of bias behavior.

Are you calling displaymate bias. Because that’s what I called the verge, and Nilay specifically.
It’s all in that thread.

 

[Blaze4G]

If your going to quote me at lest be accurate.
The verge review was multiple reviews with a history of bias behavior.

Are you calling displaymate bias. Because that’s what I called the verge, and Nilay specifically.
It’s all in that thread.

All you're stating is OPINION. I stated a fact. they have the right to put their OPINION in their articles. DisplayMate did a test and called the iPhone Xs Max the best at XYZ ever when their own test done a month ago of the Note 9 conflicts with that.

I gave the data of what they stated. I leave it up to the members here to decide if they want to call them bias or not. I was just pointing out irregularities. In the grand scheme of things I bet no user will be able to tell a difference between the two.

you're willing to call the verge biased based on an opinion but I give you raw data of irregularities and choose to disregard them. Then you say you're an unbiased tech person.

 

[FFR]

All you're stating is OPINION. I stated a fact. they have the right to put their OPINION in their articles.

Opinion, That’s the definition of bias.

Yeah except reviews are meant to be objective not subjective.
Why are you proving my point for me?

I’m honestly perplexed.

DisplayMate did a test and called the iPhone Xs Max the best at XYZ ever when their own test done a month ago of the Note 9 conflicts with that.

Déjà vu.
This is word for word the same argument used last year between the iPhone X and the note 9.
Some things never change.

Yes as you stated, that was last month before the iPhone X’s max came out.

iPhone max is only top dog until another flagship beats it and takes the crown.

That how best and competition works, sort of like a heavy weight title or the premier cup.

You don’t see the losing boxer or soccer teams still claim to be the champion the following year, do you?
That would be entertaining though.

I gave the data of what they stated. I leave it up to the members here to decide if they want to call them bias or not. I was just pointing out irregularities. In the grand scheme of things I bet no user will be able to tell a difference between the two.

Wait, wait; I just want to get this straight your calling display mate bias while citing display mate data.

I don’t know what to say.

you're willing to call the verge biased based on an opinion but I give you raw data of irregularities and choose to disregard them.

I called the verge bias after:

3 blatantly bias reviews
1 published retraction
And Nilay predicating a supposedly “objective” review with “I will never forgive apple for naming an iPhone after my son”

He even listed the name iPhone X’s max in the negative column of the review.

At this point it’s no longer a question of if they are...

That thread went from he didn’t mean it to he was joking and now it was just his opinion and doesn’t make it bias or the verge bias.

Ok sure.

Btw I don’t really cite the verge after I called them bias, I try to avoid hypocrisy as much as I can.

Then you say you're an unbiased tech person.

Given your understanding of the concept of bias.
I would like to say thank you.
Sincerely, Thank you very much

 

[DNichter]

Still technically wrong, since I already gave you an example of older technology that is superior to the current model in certain aspects (screen reflectance, peak brightness and as smbd. else mentioned even more test criteria where the X/XS were in fact not the best though receiving the best overall test result at the time of their release).

Therefore by definition those displays are exceptionally good but they aren’t ‘perfect’ (=the best possible at the time).

The Xs was just rated the best ever. It looks great to me so that’s ultimately what I care about.

 

[Blaze4G]

Opinion, That’s the definition of bias.

Yeah except reviews are meant to be objective not subjective.
Why are you proving my point for me?

I’m honestly perplexed.



Déjà vu.
This is word for word the same argument used last year between the iPhone X and the note 9.
Some things never change.

Yes as you stated, that was last month before the iPhone X’s max came out.

iPhone max is only top dog until another flagship beats it and takes the crown.

That how best and competition works, sort of like a heavy weight title or the premier cup.

You don’t see the losing boxer or soccer teams still claim to be the champion the following year, do you?
That would be entertaining though.



Wait, wait; I just want to get this straight your calling display mate bias while citing display mate data.

I don’t know what to say.




I called the verge bias after:

3 blatantly bias reviews
1 published retraction
And Nilay predicating a supposedly “objective” review with “I will never forgive apple for naming an iPhone after my son”

He even listed the name iPhone X’s max in the negative column of the review.

At this point it’s no longer a question of if they are...

That thread went from he didn’t mean it to he was joking and now it was just his opinion and doesn’t make it bias or the verge bias.

Ok sure.

Btw I don’t really cite the verge after I called them bias, I try to avoid hypocrisy as much as I can.



Given your understanding of the concept of bias.
I would like to say thank you.
Sincerely, Thank you very much

Yeah except reviews are meant to be objective not subjective.
Oh really? So please tell me which reviewers you like to follow. you're probably going to come up with some lame excuse not to give any.


You don’t see the losing boxer or soccer teams still claim to be the champion the following year, do you?
Well, if the soccer game ended with Team A scoring 3 goals and Team B scoring 2 points but DisplayMate says Team B wins then of course the "losing" team will protest.


Wait, wait; I just want to get this straight your calling display mate bias while citing display mate data.
Ahm, did I stutter with my words? DisplayMate data said the Note 9 is the best at reflectance at 4.4% yet their statement is the iPhone is better at 4.7%. How does that make sense? But you're going to deflect and not answer as per usual.

3 blatantly bias reviews - They weren't bias. It is your opinion you think it is.
1 published retraction - Should all reviews retract their reviews since the Xs Max is having signal issues? Should DisplayMate issue a retraction since others have received Xs Max screens that are yellow?

And Nilay predicating a supposedly “objective” review with “I will never forgive apple for naming an iPhone after my son” - He told a joke and you took it to heart because of your precious Apple love. How dare he!

He even listed the name iPhone X’s max in the negative column of the review.
What is you're point exactly? Many others have mention the naming scheme is bad. No one beats LG at bad names though, Thin Q.