Do You Prefer Notch or No Notch?

[Tagbert]

I’m pretty sure lots of those cameras are 1080p lol, wasn’t Apple notorious for having a potato camera compared to other laptops?

It was a common complaint about almost all laptops when people started working from home. none of the manufacturers had prioritized higher quality cameras and they were almost all 720p. Some of them were even placed down near the hinge or keyboard and were derided as nostril cams.

 

[imdog]

Oof something that might be even worse than the notch is the fact that the top corners of the screen are rounded and the bottom corners are squared. WHY? This is sooo un-Apple

 

[MedRed]

I prefer no notch, but I understand why it's there and won't bother me one iota.

 

[Ahboyd]

Love it.

 

[ewu]

I give up iPhone because of Notch and choose Android phone,

it seems like I have to abandon M1 (pro/max) MBP very soon.

 

[jrichards1408]

Would you rather have the botch or no notch?

No notch

 

[jrichards1408]

The funny thing is that many other laptops such as the Dell XPS have bezels that are almost as thin as this but with a webcam.

 

[jrichards1408]

Doesn't matter. Just like the iPhone no one notices it after a week. People just want to find something to complain about.

The reason why it doesn't matter Is because most people don't have a choice as there isn't a alternative Mac OS device

 

[2ilent8cho]

At first i thought WTF, but once i understood it i like it so long as there will be an option to make the menu bar very very black.

I think Apple have done a bad job of explaining it. There is no notch, they have cut 2 tabs into the top of the bezel and given extra screen space that was not there before and then pushed the menu bar up 1cm(roughly) into this new space. So when in say full window (not full screen) you get more space. When in full screen it's just not used unless a developer chooses to make use of this new space.

 

[Serban55]

of co

Notch! More screen real estate wins for me every time...

agree 100%..im taking this to work on it, not to stare at it like at an painting

 

[Tagbert]

The funny thing is that many other laptops such as the Dell XPS have bezels that are almost as thin as this but with a webcam.

That Dell probably has the smaller 720p camera, or is it one of the ones where the camera is on the keyboard and aimed at your nostrils? That would not be a good trade-off.

 

[jrichards1408]

That Dell probably has the smaller 720p camera, or is it one of the ones where the camera is on the keyboard and aimed at your nostrils? That would not be a good trade-off.

Nope it's 1080p and on top of the screen

 

[Wando64]

The question should be “do you prefer the notch or a larger bezel”.

 

[jrichards1408]

The question should be “do you prefer the notch or a larger bezel”.

Again Check the Dell. the bezels are same as this

 

[bluegt]

Again Check the Dell. the bezels are same as this

Again, refer to post:

Do You Prefer Notch or No Notch?

That is not correct. The Dell camera is not as good. Source. And the display ain't either. It's great to have extra real estate for a Notch that is in a place where the menu bar is anyway, and is otherwise being unused.

forums.macrumors.com

 

[tomtad]

Again Check the Dell. the bezels are same as this

Yes the Dell has slim bezels with integrated camera but it's generally accepted the camera is garbage, that's your tradeoff.

I would however agree the notch is about twice the size it needs to be though. Yes I know the display is thinner than what they have to work with on an iPhone however given there's no FaceID I would expect the notch to be smaller than what we have on the iPhone not bigger. At the very minimum getting the notch to fit within the height of the existing menu bar should have been the goal here.

So I'm pro notch, just not this notch.

 

[maflynn]

I'm not a fan of the notch, I don't think the added screen real estate is enough (for me) to offset the notch - personal preference to be sure.

 

[me22]

Who would prefer the notch? It's like if you say you don't mind a little hole in the window of your car or something. The notch has at least some explanation in iPhone but in Mac without Face ID? The notch is clearly a marketing statement for a very wrong reason. Why didn't they bring the notch on iPad Pros with Face ID?

Most windshields do have a notch. Your argument would be like people wanting the top of the clear part to be lower on the sides, reducing visibility.

 

[Feyl]

Most windshields do have a notch. Your argument would be like people wanting the top of the clear part to be lower on the sides, reducing visibility.

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You know this is ridiculous. Come on, man.

 

[DesertNomad]

Most of the time the 14" for me will be used with a larger desktop display so the notch is not a big deal in that case.

 

[DjanSeriyAnaplian]

Is it possible to darken the menu bar so it's completely black in dark mode (and would therefore hide the notch)?

 

[me22]

Is it possible to darken the menu bar so it's completely black in dark mode (and would therefore hide the notch)?

You can edit your wallpaper to have a black strip behind the menu bar. That will turn it black in both light and dark modes.

 

[mrLucas]

I am amazed with hoe many people voted YES notch?!!?

srsly, rly?? wtf ppl?

The iPhone 12 notch is less than 2mm taller than the newly-thin bezels on the MacBooks, and the iPhone takes 1080p video as well and has even MORE sensors packed into that space. I totally understand the argument for increased screen real estate, but isn't there a point of diminishing returns? At just 1.8mm of vertical space it's barely handful of pixels at that point. If I'm going to give up part of my screen, i'd rather it be a thin strip of pixels across the top rather than a sizable chunk taken from the middle.

It will certainly be intrusive to apps that have enough menu items to reach the middle of the display. And that's not even taking into account how visually intrusive it will be, at least to some users. Plus, it doesn't really "give you back" any space because in fullscreen apps, that area is still inaccessible.

There is no reason to justify the notch in my opinion. I believe that Apple introduced the notch because marketing is more important than the user experience to them. They wanted to add the MacBook Pro to their family of iconic notched devices.

I hate it. Itd horrible

Who would prefer the notch? It's like if you say you don't mind a little hole in the window of your car or something. The notch has at least some explanation in iPhone but in Mac without Face ID? The notch is clearly a marketing statement for a very wrong reason. Why didn't they bring the notch on iPad Pros with Face ID?

notch is the worst thing apple did recently.

 

[bobcomer]

There's no way I want a notch on screen -- it breaks the symmetry which is a bother. Think of it like one of the threads where some ones new macbook makes an odd sound when opening or closing the lid, or rattles -- it's that kind of bother to me. And then there's I never use the camera, so I don't need it either.

 

[mrLucas]

Notch! More screen real estate wins for me every time...

are you for real. how???? what screen real estate? 2mm on the top? how about actually completley usless whole upper part of the screen. I know I AM NOT getting a mcbkpro untill they undo this ********

does it matter? you do not have a choice ...
But I think the enhanced display area is a GREAT feature!

lol -No

I’d rather have a slightly thicker bezel and a uniform screen than an awkward looking OCD-triggering cut out

every day until the end of time

Honestly one part of the new design I actually do like ? the displays look great on these overall!

Man.. thats why voting should be illegal ?

To be honest it doesn’t bother me one bit… same as the iPhone… it was either a small forehead on the iPhone with the time, batter status etc lower down or all the info above the main area of the screen on either side of the notch… it will be the exact same on the MBP… that menu bar will now be out of the way of the main area of the screen.

It surprises me how many think this notch will bring Face ID… have you seen how thin that lid is… I highly doubt that would house a Face ID sensor.

What does bother me is the durability of the black coated aluminium around the keys…. Is this going to chip away after a few months???

it surprises you people think face id is coming but it does not surrise you notch is bigger than it needs to be for just a camera? funny logic… ??by apple

Haha, as someone with actual OCD, over the years I’ve actually stared at the huge bezel on my MBP and thought, “why can’t more of this be screen”?

*Your OCD may vary

you dont have ocd
also you dont even know what it is

Great.. now I have to wait 6 years before I can buy another macbook cause of that stupid notch. No freaking way will I spend even a single dollar on something else with a d4mn notch.

exactlyyyyu !!!

get a dell with those thin bezels. this laptop isn't for you.

i'll be happy with a M1 Pro beast of a system w/ 1000 nit display + promotion.

damn right its not for him. that garbage is not for man of culture