Nothing new to discuss, just wanted to respond to your naive post
Hope you're having a good day in your morally sound world, where everyone who disagrees with you is deemed stupid or unethical. That's what I call being a good person!
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Do you REALLY think that you're getting a refund AND a free case?
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Nothing new to discuss, just wanted to respond to your naive post
Hope you're having a good day in your morally sound world, where everyone who disagrees with you is deemed stupid or unethical. That's what I call being a good person!
I think this topic has been fleshed out beyond exhaustion.
Apparently, 50% of people think getting two free cases is morally wrong, 50% of people think getting two free cases is morally right. (This is for the sake of argument. If you look on these boards, however, it appears that the number of people ordering a second case is not a "large minority", but a substantial portion of the forum population.)
If I were to go further on track with the view of those who see this as morally wrong, I would have to come to the conclusion that anyone who accepts a free case from Apple who does not have a reception issue is in fact stealing from the corporation because the free case program is inherently designed to appease those who experience difficulties with the acknowledged antenna issue.
However, these points suggest that those who appear morally wrong to some are actually legal and ethical human beings:
1) The terms and conditions of the bumper refund program and free case program are not mutually exclusive. In other words, in the legal statements of both Apple does not explicitly state that one option is possible. Apple does note that false or fraudulent orders will be cancelled, yet I have not seen reports of free case order acknowledgments being rescinded. These terms and conditions are subject to change of course, so if Apple does make the two programs mutually exclusive then the free case orders will be cancelled and the "morally corrupt" will have failed to order a free case that was not theirs to collect. However, this has yet to happen and likely will not happen.
2) Apple automatically refunded the bumper cases without asking the consumer whether they wished to order another free case. If the choice were possible, many people would opt to keep the $30 initial charge for the bumper and have the option to order a free case. However, this option was not made possible by Apple and therefore consumers had to accept the refund whether they were or were not satisfied with their bumper.
3) Despite whatever claims there are out there, without a bumper or some case the iPhone 4 does not function properly when pressed in the lower left hand corner with bare skin. In areas of strong signal strength, the iPhone 4 functions well but the physical bar drops are still registered. However, those early bumper adopters like myself did not have signal issues because they had the case from the start. I have never used my iPhone 4 without the bumper on and I think most people have not unless they prefer no case or were testing reception. So if consumers bought a case that initially fixed the problem which in turn caused them to have no problem, then clearly there should have been a ban of these people from downloading the free case app and ordering another free case right? Or better yet, these people are ineligible for the free case program because their iPhone 4 works properly right? Or does it without a bumper or case? Nope, it doesn't.
In conclusion, the terms and conditions as well as the software of the bumper app and apple online store do not prevent any one iPhone 4 user from ordering a free case. Why? Because legally and in Apple's view, no iPhone 4 user is different from any other, and therefore all physical iPhone 4s are allowed to download the app and register for a free case.
Apple organized third party case manufacturers to supply the demand for the cases, which they equated to the total number of iPhone 4s sold since launch.
Original bumper purchases (despite quantity of purchase) were refunded as a gesture of goodwill to consumers and the free case program is a user-controlled fix to the iPhone 4 antenna issue.
How do I know this? Because one was out of our control (refund) and the other was within our control (case program app).
If Apple cancels second free case orders then my view is wrong but I'm still moral and ethical as a human being. Why? Because I didn't steal anything. I used the systems provided within the terms and conditions and accepted nothing that wasn't willingly sent to me.
Every iPhone 4 user is entitled to a free case through the app. This is a fact.
Those who disagree with this argument have two people to blame: 1) themselves, for passing judgment on others operating within the confines of the law and imposing their own stricter set of laws and deeming violation of their laws to be morally corrupt, and 2) Apple, for providing automatic refunds to initial bumper purchasers and not collecting the bumpers from all these users as returns (making this act a gesture of goodwill).
Why didn't Apple go to each of these bumper users including myself and ask to have the bumper returned so it can be recycled and used to make more bumpers to go to other users in need? Because that would be far too expensive and would in fact, as others note as an argument, cause workers time and energy, and Apple money.
The automatic bumper refund and free case program app in combination is the fastest way to make sure every user is satisfied and to guarantee that Apple does not induce excessive costs of labor.
At the end of the day, no matter what free case(s) you get, it's just a piece of plastic and that's not worth passing judgment or criticism on strangers by holding them morally and ethically accountable to your set of rules.
Unless you work for Apple, of course.
Apparently, 50% of people think getting two free cases is morally wrong, 50% of people think getting two free cases is morally right. (This is for the sake of argument. If you look on these boards, however, it appears that the number of people ordering a second case is not a "large minority", but a substantial portion of the forum population.)
If I were to go further on track with the view of those who see this as morally wrong, I would have to come to the conclusion that anyone who accepts a free case from Apple who does not have a reception issue is in fact stealing from the corporation because the free case program is inherently designed to appease those who experience difficulties with the acknowledged antenna issue.
However, these points suggest that those who appear morally wrong to some are actually legal and ethical human beings:
1) The terms and conditions of the bumper refund program and free case program are not mutually exclusive. In other words, in the legal statements of both Apple does not explicitly state that one option is possible. Apple does note that false or fraudulent orders will be cancelled, yet I have not seen reports of free case order acknowledgments being rescinded. These terms and conditions are subject to change of course, so if Apple does make the two programs mutually exclusive then the free case orders will be cancelled and the "morally corrupt" will have failed to order a free case that was not theirs to collect. However, this has yet to happen and likely will not happen.
2) Apple automatically refunded the bumper cases without asking the consumer whether they wished to order another free case. If the choice were possible, many people would opt to keep the $30 initial charge for the bumper and have the option to order a free case. However, this option was not made possible by Apple and therefore consumers had to accept the refund whether they were or were not satisfied with their bumper.
3) Despite whatever claims there are out there, without a bumper or some case the iPhone 4 does not function properly when pressed in the lower left hand corner with bare skin. In areas of strong signal strength, the iPhone 4 functions well but the physical bar drops are still registered. However, those early bumper adopters like myself did not have signal issues because they had the case from the start. I have never used my iPhone 4 without the bumper on and I think most people have not unless they prefer no case or were testing reception. So if consumers bought a case that initially fixed the problem which in turn caused them to have no problem, then clearly there should have been a ban of these people from downloading the free case app and ordering another free case right? Or better yet, these people are ineligible for the free case program because their iPhone 4 works properly right? Or does it without a bumper or case? Nope, it doesn't.
In conclusion, the terms and conditions as well as the software of the bumper app and apple online store do not prevent any one iPhone 4 user from ordering a free case. Why? Because legally and in Apple's view, no iPhone 4 user is different from any other, and therefore all physical iPhone 4s are allowed to download the app and register for a free case.
Apple organized third party case manufacturers to supply the demand for the cases, which they equated to the total number of iPhone 4s sold since launch.
Original bumper purchases (despite quantity of purchase) were refunded as a gesture of goodwill to consumers and the free case program is a user-controlled fix to the iPhone 4 antenna issue.
How do I know this? Because one was out of our control (refund) and the other was within our control (case program app).
If Apple cancels second free case orders then my view is wrong but I'm still moral and ethical as a human being. Why? Because I didn't steal anything. I used the systems provided within the terms and conditions and accepted nothing that wasn't willingly sent to me.
Every iPhone 4 user is entitled to a free case through the app. This is a fact.
Those who disagree with this argument have two people to blame: 1) themselves, for passing judgment on others operating within the confines of the law and imposing their own stricter set of laws and deeming violation of their laws to be morally corrupt, and 2) Apple, for providing automatic refunds to initial bumper purchasers and not collecting the bumpers from all these users as returns (making this act a gesture of goodwill).
Why didn't Apple go to each of these bumper users including myself and ask to have the bumper returned so it can be recycled and used to make more bumpers to go to other users in need? Because that would be far too expensive and would in fact, as others note as an argument, cause workers time and energy, and Apple money.
The automatic bumper refund and free case program app in combination is the fastest way to make sure every user is satisfied and to guarantee that Apple does not induce excessive costs of labor.
At the end of the day, no matter what free case(s) you get, it's just a piece of plastic and that's not worth passing judgment or criticism on strangers by holding them morally and ethically accountable to your set of rules.
Unless you work for Apple, of course.
Nothing new to discuss, just wanted to respond to your naive post
Hope you're having a good day in your morally sound world, where everyone who disagrees with you is deemed stupid or unethical. That's what I call being a good person!
Its been a good day, thanks for asking. I'm not the only one in this thread that disagrees with you. I don't feel you or anyone else that wants to take advantage of Apple is stupid, clearly you demonstrated intelligence by choosing Apple in the first place. The problem is that you lack calibration of your moral compass (based on your comments).
It does not mean that you are not a good person. It just reflects something of your character. Even Albert Einstein had character flaws. So do I, but I don't think my habit of drinking diet Pepsi is appropriate for discussion in MacRumors
Its been a good day, thanks for asking. I'm not the only one in this thread that disagrees with you. I don't feel you or anyone else that wants to take advantage of Apple is stupid, clearly you demonstrated intelligence by choosing Apple in the first place. The problem is that you lack calibration of your moral compass (based on your comments).
It does not mean that you are not a good person. It just reflects something of your character. Even Albert Einstein had character flaws. So do I, but I don't think my habit of drinking diet Pepsi is appropriate for discussion in MacRumors
How do you tell someone you don't know "you lack calibration of your moral compass"?
See, this is how you are completely wrong to make a free plastic case (or two, or three...) a personal situation.
And just because this is MacRumors doesn't mean you have the right to discuss your perceived flaws between a consumer and his relationship to Apple as a purchaser of their products? He didn't start a thread asking you if he was a morally sound Apple user. He just came in here like everyone else and stated what he did with the bumper refund/free case program app and you start blasting everyone as morally and ethically corrupt.
I'm sorry but the way you've treated everyone in this thread (including others who agree with you but can't stand your radicalized examples) is disgraceful.
I feel so sorry for you that you think some people are so wrong for something so little, yet you can't distinguish the difference between a rational conversation and your blind judgments.
Its been a good day, thanks for asking. I'm not the only one in this thread that disagrees with you. I don't feel you or anyone else that wants to take advantage of Apple is stupid, clearly you demonstrated intelligence by choosing Apple in the first place. The problem is that you lack calibration of your moral compass (based on your comments).
It does not mean that you are not a good person. It just reflects something of your character. Even Albert Einstein had character flaws. So do I, but I don't think my habit of drinking diet Pepsi is appropriate for discussion in MacRumors
Diet Pepsi is really bad for you. It gives you the crashing feeling of a sugar low without the benefits of a sugar high.
So Apple tells me to take my Bumper receipt to the store for a refund, so I do. The store clerk said, without me even asking, that this refund is not connected to any account or serial number, so he's not sure what would happen if I used the app too. Then Apple sends me two emails to download the Free Case Program to my iPhone and choose a case, so I do. And this is wrong?
Exactly.
Rather then enter into another lengthy response I've chosen a couple of movie lines that appear to fit.
Field of Dreams: "If you build it, they will come."
War games: "The only winning move is not to play"
If you feel valid in taking advantage over and above Apples stated offer then enjoy your case. Its just a reflection of the decline in our society.
And in my final response to you, gehrbox, I'll just say that you don't want to give us a mature response because you have no argument against my points. I'll conclude with some of my favorite quotes:
"Get out of here, troll."
"Cool story, bro."
"I'm a product of my environment, and my environment is a product of me."
...and I find when people write like condescending douchebags, they usually are condescending douchebags.
I snuck that quote in as a trap for you, to prove that if you made another pointless reply to it that you are a troll making this personal just to annoy and aggravate with your character assaults.
Surprise, gehrbox. Your cave calls...
Thank you Matt for that lengthy but incredibly intelligent post. In all honesty, I didn't want a refund for my bumper, I wanted a second case. So Apple assumed I needed a refund, but when the opportunity for a free case came, I seized it. If they had asked, I would not have taken the refund.
Morals don't just apply to dealing with Apple. It's about how you treat people, and understanding others...in the REAL world. You know, that thing that's not behind a screen? Being a kind person doesn't mean putting others down, or forcing your beliefs on them. I feel sad for you, gehrbox, that you sit here and treat others this way, while attempting to make yourself seem so honest and kind. At 19, I feel like a nostalgic grandpa when looking at MacRumors, and the mess it has become because of people like you who make this environment hostile and less intelligent. This used to be such a great place.
Just because you're shielded by your computer, you don't have the right to act the way you have. And with that, I'm outta here.
Morals don't just apply to dealing with Apple. It's about how you treat people, and understanding others...in the REAL world. You know, that thing that's not behind a screen? Being a kind person doesn't mean putting others down, or forcing your beliefs on them. I feel sad for you, gehrbox, that you sit here and treat others this way, while attempting to make yourself seem so honest and kind. At 19, I feel like a nostalgic grandpa when looking at MacRumors, and the mess it has become because of people like you who make this environment hostile and less intelligent. This used to be such a great place.
Just because you're shielded by your computer, you don't have the right to act the way you have. And with that, I'm outta here.
Well, apparently I can get a refund AND a free case.
I applied for the free case just for kicks and to my surprise, I got an email a few hours later confirming the order. If I do get the case, I'll probably just exchange it for a different color.
I applied for the free case just for kicks and to my surprise, I got an email a few hours later confirming the order. If I do get the case, I'll probably just exchange it for a different color.
I don't know if it's wrong so much.
I was surprised when Apple issued me a refund for my bumper without giving me a choice here. I never wanted a refund on my bumper. I wanted to see what the cases looked like first and the possibly get one.
I still ordered a free case. Apple left allot of holes in this free case offer and I really don't blame people for getting in on it.
I'll use the second case for my second iPhone 4 that I'll be buying soon.
The moral of the thread is:
If you feel that you are owed an extra one, order one. If you feel it is wrong, then don't order one. Steve isn't going to come and hunt you down and I feel that Jesus isn't really interested in this too much right now, he has bigger fish to fry (maybe for a fish sandwich or something).
The moral of the thread is:
If you feel that you are owed an extra one, order one. If you feel it is wrong, then don't order one. Steve isn't going to come and hunt you down and I feel that Jesus isn't really interested in this too much right now, he has bigger fish to fry (maybe for a fish sandwich or something).
Thanks! I prob snag an extra one for wifey too.
Then maybe throw some extra cash in the offering plate. How much you think outta cover 4 bumpers? $12? Wholesale price of course. God would never charge $29 for a little piece of rubber.
Thanks! I prob snag an extra one for wifey too.
$12 should do it, one for each apostle.
I thought so. Now I just have to get squared away with my fellow man. It's kind of hard to justify my immorality with this crowd. I figure I could lie and say Apple never gave me a choice about the refund but that's such BS because I would never turn down cash. But if I tell the truth and say that I want a free bumper so when I sell the phone I can offer someone a working phone with out antenna issues I come across with a sense of entitlement. I think I will just be defensive and say I read all the rules an no where does it say you can't get a free bumper if you got an auto refund. That's sound logic right. Who could argue with that?
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