this is just your friendly reminder that Snoopy is a dog. Snoopy is a dog with a very active imaginations.
snoopy in the comics, is often aloof, and ignorant of the world around him while he daydreams and is out of reality.
dont be Snoopy
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Donald Trump Says Apple Won't Be Granted Tariff Relief on Mac Pro Parts Made in China: 'Make Them in The USA, No Tariffs!'
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this is just your friendly reminder that Snoopy is a dog. Snoopy is a dog with a very active imaginations.
snoopy in the comics, is often aloof, and ignorant of the world around him while he daydreams and is out of reality.
dont be Snoopy
Building infrastructure within the United States is the most obvious way to provide jobs for Americans and 'Made in the USA' projects. Trump hasn't done that. Instead, people are supposed to believe that waiting 2 1/2 years to tell Apple that the Mac Pro won't be exempt from tariffs is Trump's plan for stimulating domestic projects. That's what you call a low bar.
Apple is literally the biggest tax payer in the US.
What a nonsense, why "bring them back" to the USA, most sales are outside of the US, Apple is a global company, they have no duty to manufacture in the States.
I really don't understand these comments....
Just picking you to reply to, lots of people with the same sentiment here.
And another one.
So you get enjoyment from a political gotcha game involving tax/tariff semantics?
And you’re playing this game against a team whose already made a very public case, that these are retaliatory measures for Chinese tariffs on US goods?
Also wasn’t the Tea Party a past political trend/catchphrase like Blue Dog Democrats? That political targeting computer firmware may need to be updated.
Considering the political unrest in Hong Kong and systematic suppression inside mainland China, it’s weird that the political left isn’t crying for even more sanctions on China. Very strange, because the Democrat party often champions the economic ‘theory’ that more taxes (or tariffs as you pointed out) are a good thing.
Remember gotcha game rule #1, make sure to check the ground immediately under your own feet.
Negative.
Regardless of incentive the labor market in the US is such that pricing goods produced in the US are much higher - by multiple magnitudes.
An analysis was conducted on parts made in the US vs over seas (China, Indonesia etc). The primary conclusions were that parts made in the US were far superior and lasted on average 2-3 years longer in operation (except parts made in Japan - due to more stringent regulations and tolerances). However the cost was 2-3x more than competitors.
However, when someone is penny pinching what do they buy or rather what can they afford to buy - the superior made in USA part that costs 2-3 times more or the cheaper part which lasts 1/3 less but costs 1/2 the price?
Simple economics.
And no trickle down economics doesn’t work. I recently bought a fancy watch for my birthday last week - did you feel my trickle?
This move is purely political. It’s a practical sentiment that a lot of people can understand quickly and grasp without much intellectual query.
However, once you start asking a few questions and digging a bit deeper - you realize how meaningless the tweet really is.
The tax breaks given to corporate America and the wealthy is disgusting. But people are getting riled up over this?
Everyone is focusing on the wrong thing. They should be focusing on corporate tax breaks. This tariff means nothing to Apples bottom line and to the final pricing of the Mac Pro.
Bold prediction: the final price of the Mac Pro won’t change. News flash - the tariff was already baked into the price from the beginning.
TLDR: focus on corporate tax breaks - Donny’s tweet was a meaningless political move.
Bit of a cop out there. Claiming someone else has TDS is about the most lazy argument you can do.
Please, enlighten us as to why any of the original quote was misinformation.
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Charles M. Schulz Just simultaneously threw up and rolled in his grave.
Pays almost no taxes??? Where the hell do you get that info from?
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Agreed. For me I’d rather NOT buy a Made in USA Apple products as that would be tariffed undoubtedly where I live (outside the US). As Trump ****s up global world order and tariffs everyone left and right, does he truly believe the whole world would kneel down and pray to the god of murica? Of course all US built products will be tariffed equally, which hence will diminish sales.
What will happen when 45 gets re-elected and this madness goes on is: Apple will manufacture most in China and some products in other countries (Vietnam, Thailand, etc). The Made in China products will be sold globally, the Vietnam ones in the US until Trump decides to tariff those too. A Made in China product will always be cheaper in e.g. europe than a Made in USA one. And frankly, better too. Because China has built up expertise over decades. No one in the US has manufactured high end electronics in 20 years.
Agreed. For me I’d rather NOT buy a Made in USA Apple products as that would be tariffed undoubtedly where I live (outside the US). As Trump ****s up global world order and tariffs everyone left and right, does he truly believe the whole world would kneel down and pray to the god of murica? Of course all US built products will be tariffed equally, which hence will diminish sales.
What will happen when 45 gets re-elected and this madness goes on is: Apple will manufacture most in China and some products in other countries (Vietnam, Thailand, etc). The Made in China products will be sold globally, the Vietnam ones in the US until Trump decides to tariff those too. A Made in China product will always be cheaper in e.g. europe than a Made in USA one. And frankly, better too. Because China has built up expertise over decades. No one in the US has manufactured high end electronics in 20 years.
I agree with both parts. Apple should just lower their profit margins to accommodate helping out fellow citizens.
When you wonder what happened to the Middle Class in America, just look at the MILLIONS of US manufacturing jobs transplanted to Asia, Mexico, etc from the computer industry (and others) by greedy corporations. Besides being a big FU to the environment, it is akin to eating our own, undermining our National Security and economy, and a crime imo, stabbing the middle class in the back and it really does illustrate the point that there is no such thing as Corporate National Pride or patriotism, it’s about worshipping $$$ and ME>we.
Why shouldn’t we pay more if it goes back in the pockets of our fellow Americans? Doesn’t that make sense? If I said I could build a sweat shop and charge super low prices or I could charge a bit more and have a factory in America and stimulate the local economy, which is the better option? Just because we can pay less, doesn’t mean it’s the best option. That’s just short term short sighted thinking
^^^ This!
The Chinese have perfected the above over many years, with substantial assistance from their government. It’s a turn-on-a-dime system, with enormous depth, that does not exist in the US.
Apple will simply pay the tariffs and pass that extra cost on to customers. And everyone here will be happy, right? More winning!
One of the reasons that Apple is one of the wealthiest company on this planet is because they don’t manufacture everything in the US
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After all these years a proper public transport system still does not exist in California and neither does a proper airport in Los Angeles. Once a proper city metro and state bullet train is up and running we can start to say that proper infrastructure systems are up in place. Then you got all these business regulations,permits,fees and taxes in place set up to pretty much keep out any company trying to set up a manufacturing business in California. China has the edge over the US when it comes down to proper infrastructure systems being in place. They also have the edge when it comes to laws being in place to protect business owner as a manufacturer from unnecessary lawsuits which alone can break any company in the US.
Funny!
Realistically, I was just a cynical under Obama. Only difference is under Obama, my taxes went up when he removed Bush’s tax cut, and my health Insurance went from a good plan at the cost of a car payment to a terrible plan with high deductible and many claim rejections at the cost of a mortgage payment. Oh....and I couldn’t keep my doctor.
Under this president I am making for money, my retirement plans are worth a lot more, the threat of Isis is a lot less, my unemployed friends and families are now working making more than they ever have, and hopefully when the house turns red again in this next election, healthcare will be fixed.
I do tend to judge a president on the direct effect he has on my personal and family life, and those around me. Then I look at the actual general effects of the country. The complaints democrats have against him are the same as they have had under every republican president. “Racist, homophobe, xenophobe (3 people I know that call him that don’t even know what that means). Then they say he’s RUINING this country. When asked how? They tell me to look at the border. When I ask why it has been ok for the same to happen for the last 20 years? No answer. I think people just hate to hate.
I’d say his behaviors are kinda out there and wild, but his track record is excellent.
Free and independent press? Have the “free and independent” press investigate themselves then
the press can’t even ask basic questions about any story they are covering. It is a biased press.
As for trade and economy - Trump has raised issues about unfair trade that nobody else wanted to even look at. Clinton Bush Obama were all pretty bad.
For most of Apple's customers, Americans are not "fellow Americans".
I think you took your numbers from the 1950's. One website I found claims 10,678 CNY per month for an assembly line worker, that would be about $1,500. Minimum wage is 2480.00 CNY per month, that is $360.
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Umm.. leaving aside the "fellow Americans" reference, and dismissing the idea that the tariff passed on to consumers lands intact in the pockets of the workers who made a product, it seems to me one can decide to raise the price of an item, or to pay staff more, or you know paint the ceiling yellow and green without needing Donald Trump to lay on a provocative tariff as incentive for a business to take any of those steps. Why doesn't he just butt out and go back to playing golf (and sans preliminary remarks about members of Congress on his way to the darn links).
Protectionism is anyway the antithesis of the GOP's traditional advocacy of free trade. That Trump's being allowed to wave arbitrary tariffs around --as if in a bull ring trying to bring on the finale of some personalized scenarios playing out in his own head-- is just another sign that the fringe-beset GOP has long since lost control of its own caucus and platform. Trump gaslights the whole planet, it's true, but he certainly does play the leadership of his own hijacked party.
$1 per hour is less than half the minimum wage. And factory workers make a lot more than minimum wage. Suicide rate at Foxconn at the worst time was a lot less than murder rates against retail employees in the USA. Plus the USA has about 40,000 suicides per year, a much higher number.
Firstly, it's not a bit more, it's a lot more. And that other country is now giving us their labor instead of keeping it in their local economy. If you think of each country as a single entity, it's mutually beneficial if the laboring country can do it cheaper. If we cut off the trade, we get inflation.
I do want to see manufacturing jobs returning here, but only if it's because we've developed new automation to do it faster, not because of protectionism.
The one exception is that I'll approve of any action taken against China in particular, for many reasons.
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And why should we care?
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You could restrict yourself to buying things only made in your state to better stimulate your local economy. Your city. Perhaps your neighborhood. Your household! That would really maximize your prosperity, wouldn't it?
Of course the answer is no, and for the same reasons for which less-encumbered trade between nations is good (and, I would argue, very much not the short sighted position).