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Trump is so skilled, he got Mexico to do something they've already been doing!

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My friend, the way Trump is going about this is not a "negotiation" and not only is not in the spirit of good relationships, it is actively damaging them, enormously, in real time.

It's erratic and irresponsible to act this way out of the blue

This is not adult behavior

Trump is a bully and an ignoramus .. if you think he's acting with a sense of controlled purpose towards an outcome, with respect, it feels a little naive about who the man is and what he actually "knows" about anything this complex
Sure, but again, you're speaking about tariffs in general while ignoring the actions of the current administration. "Maybe something good will happen that this administration has not detailed in any way" isn't a real argument.

They claim Canada and Mexico are taking advantage of us (under the trade agreement that 45 negotiated.) In reality, it's about getting concessions on immigration, "to save American jobs" (that Americans do not want or need.) So why not fix our own immigration system? Because keeping it broken is how they keep getting elected.

Trump is doing what he said he would do regarding tariffs during the 2024 campaign, and he won the election. It really shouldn't be a surprise.

Trump is meeting with officials from Canada and Mexico today regarding the tariffs. This is part of a negotiating process. So far, Mexico has apparently already agreed to send 10,000 troops to the U.S. border to help deal with border situation in exchange for a temporary tariff pause. How this and other negotiations play out remain to be seen.

If people want to complain, they should complain about how the Biden presidency/administration, Biden and Harris campaigns, etc. were handled and helped Trump get elected (again)...but that's a separate discussion.
 
The brilliance of Don's genius is so bright that I need some sunglasses

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And this one below ... Ford is a Conservative!

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BOLD: I whole heartily agree with this. For way to long the rest of the world has looked towards the US and it's administration to solve all of the worlds problems, it cannot. There are far to many corrupt governments, lazy government and incompetent governments in the world and Trump is basically saying enough is enough.
No, he's saying he wants in on the corruption. Look at the leaders he respects. They are the corrupt authoritarians that he seeks to emulate.

Mexico fails to solve it's drug cartel problems, so does many other countries that have drug cartel problems.
Cartel problems that come from American guns and American drug demand. How do tariffs solve that?

The EU comes for criticism because many EU countries do not give enough funding towards a combined EU military force. The last time Trump was in power this was something he was not happy with and told the EU it needs to improve it's military capability meaning ALL EU countries are to meet it's quota on military spending which many do not.
That's certainly something that 45 told you to be concerned for some reason. And it was Obama, not 45 who got NATO countries to agree to increase their military spending.

In my opinion what Trump is doing it right. The US has told other countries they need to improve on various things and if they do the US will continue to support and help them BUT the countries must show that they are improving or trying to improve and when they don't the only thing the US has in it's arsenal to get these countries to do what is right is to hit them with tariffs because nothing else seems to work. Why should the US help or support countries that refuse to help themselves.
Hah! I have no idea how anybody could rationalize what you wrote with what 45 has done.
 
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Trump is doing what he said he would do regarding tariffs during the 2024 campaign, and he won the election. It really shouldn't be a surprise.
What does that have to do with what I said? I'm certainly not surprised. He did the same thing his first term with little success.

Trump is meeting with officials from Canada and Mexico today regarding the tariffs. This is part of a negotiating process. So far, Mexico has apparently already agreed to send 10,000 troops to the U.S. border to help deal with border situation in exchange for a temporary tariff pause. How this and other negotiations play out remain to be seen.
Which is exactly what I said. It's about immigration.

If people want to complain, they should complain about how the Biden presidency/administration, Biden and Harris campaigns, etc. were handled and helped Trump get elected (again)...but that's a separate discussion.
Right. Don't blame the party doing the wrong stuff. Blame the party that lost the election because of inflation that was caused by a pandemic that was mismanaged by the party doing the wrong stuff. Somehow that makes sense.

But again, nothing to do with what I said. We were talking about how the current administration is using tariffs.
 
Not worked very well has it because migration to the US has increased over the years.
Assuming you are talking about illegal immigration since the reference is to securing the southwestern border, what evidence do you have? According to Homeland Security, the number of unauthorized immigrants in the US has remained relatively stable at just over 11 million for more than 2 decades.
 
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What does that have to do with what I said? I'm certainly not surprised. He did the same thing his first term with little success.

Perhaps nothing. I was giving a broader response to two different posts.


Which is exactly what I said. It's about immigration.

And as I stated in a previous post, the purpose of tariffs can be multifaceted. In this case, in addition to addressing illegal immigration, drug/fentanyl issues, etc. Trump also sees tariffs as a potential revenue generating tool, a way to try to address trade deficits, etc.


Right. Don't blame the party doing the wrong stuff. Blame the party that lost the election because of inflation that was caused by a pandemic that was mismanaged by the party doing the wrong stuff. Somehow that makes sense.

But again, nothing to do with what I said. We were talking about how the current administration is using tariffs.

Again, I was giving a broader response to two different posts.
 
Perhaps nothing. I was giving a broader response to two different posts.
If it has "perhaps nothing" to do with my post, then perhaps avoid quoting my post to avoid confusion.

And as I stated in a previous post, the purpose of tariffs can be multifaceted. In this case, in addition to addressing illegal immigration, drug/fentanyl issues, etc. Trump also sees tariffs as a potential revenue generating tool, a way to try to address trade deficits, etc.
Again, that exactly my point. You keep bringing up how they "can be" used, instead of how they are being used. Revenue generating? What nonsense! They're whole shtick is that we already pay too much to the federal government.
 
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If it has "perhaps nothing" to do with my post, then perhaps avoid quoting my post to avoid confusion.

Again, that exactly my point. You keep bringing up how they "can be" used, instead of how they are being used. Revenue generating? What nonsense! They're whole shtick is that we already pay too much to the federal government.

Again, the tariffs in question weren't just about immigration which you focused on. They are also about the drugs/fentanyl problem, potentially trying to protect U.S. industries, address trade imbalances, etc. As I said, multifaceted.
 
Again, the tariffs in question weren't just about immigration which you focused on.
I didn't say they were. I simply pointed out that the specific purposes (generating revenue, trade balance, fostering US manufacturing, etc.) that you mentioned were not among the primary goals of the current administration.

Which president had the highest trade imbalance with China? 45

They are also about the drugs/fentanyl problem,
Yes! That's a real one. However, increasing Mexican troops at the border will have little to no impact on the supply of drugs/fetanyl in the US.

potentially trying to protect U.S. industries, address trade imbalances, etc. As I said, multifaceted.
Again, you keep bringing up things that the "potentially" could be used for when I'm discussing what they are being used for by this current administration.
 
This cracks me up ... and in return Trump agreed to some gun control on the US side!

"master negotiator"
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I didn't say they were. I simply pointed out that the specific purposes (generating revenue, trade balance, fostering US manufacturing, etc.) that you mentioned were not among the primary goals of the current administration.

That's what you focused on in your previous posts. I've been simply stating that tariffs can be multifaceted i.e., not just about one thing like immigration. I'm not sure why you seem to have such an issue with that.


Yes! That's a real one. However, increasing Mexican troops at the border will have little to no impact on the supply of drugs/fetanyl in the US.

Yes, tariffs can be multifaceted as I stated. Tariffs can also obviously have varying degrees of effectiveness.


Again, you keep bringing up things that the "potentially" could be used for when I'm discussing what they are being used for by this current administration.

It's "potential" because we don't even know what tariffs, if any, will actually be implemented at this point nor what all the outcomes/responses may be.
 
The people responsible for Trump getting elected are those who voted for Trump.

Full Stop.

No, not quite full stop. That's too simplistic. The end result is a vote but how people voted were impacted various ways. A lot of credit or blame (depending on which side one is on) for Trump's election win goes to the poorly handled Democrat campaign, process, those responsible, etc.
 
That's what you focused on in your previous posts. I've been simply stating that tariffs can be multifaceted i.e., not just about one thing like immigration. I'm not sure why you seem to have such an issue with that.
Again, I already said this clearly. I don't think they are about one thing. And I agree with your claim that they are multifaceted.

Yes, tariffs can be multifaceted as I stated. Tariffs can also obviously have varying degrees of effectiveness.
Yep. Which leads me to the question - What exactly do you disagree with that I actually said?

t's "potential" because we don't even know what tariffs, if any, will actually be implemented at this point nor what all the outcomes/responses may be.
Exactly. Which is why I clearly and repeatedly made a distinction between what tariffs might be used for and what 45/47 has used them for.
 
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It wasn't fully automated from TFA, it sounds like they automated the ordering and final delivery with people prepping the food in the back.

I suspect the back of store will not be automated fully for a while, for several reasons:

1. If a robot stops working properly the whole line could shut down, whereas a human can easily intervene and keep things working while fixing the problem. Even something as simple as unclogging. ketchup nozzle is not easily automated.
2. Robots may be cheaper long run but have a higher up front costs and you can't just send some home on slow days, you are still paying for them.
3. Odd special orders would not be straightforward. A human can handle an order of fries with no salt by simply scooping up fries and putting them in a container and then salting the rest. A robotic system would need to be designed to allow dispensing before and after salt addition, as well as properly sequence the rest of the order to ensure everything is ready at the right time so you don't get hot fries but a cold burger.

Can it be done? Sure, with fewer staff no doubt; but it will be a while before the human element is gone.

Australian McDonalds removed staff from the front of store a few years ago, replaced with large touch screens to place your own orders...
 
Again, the tariffs in question weren't just about immigration which you focused on. They are also about the drugs/fentanyl problem, potentially trying to protect U.S. industries, address trade imbalances, etc. As I said, multifaceted.

All at the expense of taxing Americans. Interestingly, some areas that were solid MAGA all of a sudden are seeing the impact on them and their companies and asking to be left off of the tariffs or worried what happens when Canada retaliates.

All of a sudden those promises are coming back to haunt them.

Yes! That's a real one. However, increasing Mexican troops at the border will have little to no impact on the supply of drugs/fetanyl in the US.

Considering most drugs come through legal ports of entry and are smuggled by US citizens, it's just more Kaboki theater.

Australian McDonalds removed staff from the front of store a few years ago, replaced with large touch screens to place your own orders...

I've seen that in a number of countries, where I live the touch screens don't work properly half the time so I just go to the register to order and pay and someone comes out to help me, usually the person bringing out orders.
 
I promise everyone that Trump has no interest in actually solving immigration issues

It's WAY too useful as a political wedge issue
I promise everyone that neither party of this corrupt duopoly system has any interest in actually solving or helping its own citizens. Governments that are paid for and funded by foreign entities and corporations will never serve anyone else other their masters. Rest is smoke and mirrors created to cause distraction and division.
 
I promise everyone that neither party of this corrupt duopoly system has any interest in actually solving or helping its own citizens. Governments that are paid for and funded by foreign entities and corporations will never serve anyone else other their masters. Rest is smoke and mirrors created to cause distraction and division.
“Both sides are the same” is nothing but black and white nonsense.
 
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