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"While an attractive addition for avid picture takers and professional photographers,..." Professional photographers? Really? The pros I know have lenses worth more money than my pickup truck. I doubt any of them are drooling over a telephone takes pictures.

I have been a full time pro for 30 years and not weddings either, over 140k in camera gear, computers and darkroom.

I am pretty excited about this phone.
 
Very innovative. Couldn't make a waterproof phone with a headphone jack but Sony and Samsung have been doing it for years... now they cant add the camera to regular sized phones?

I don't call this courage, I call it incompetence.

They removed the headphone jack for the taptic engine. That's a big piece of hardware.
 
I would happily pay that extra premium to get the dual lens on the 4.7" iPhone. Having it on the (impractical size for most) Plus size only seems odd. (why not have a iPhone 8 Pro version of the same size but with this camera)
That's a problem right now - models are ordered by screen size, adding features etc. as screen size goes up. But people's wishes for screen sizes are really independent of the rest. Some people want a small screen with all the features, some just want a big screen and don't care about the camera at all.
 
Expect the "Apple playing catch up" and "fire Tim Cook" comments to continue. No matter what Apple can't win when it comes to some. The iPhone could get two weeks battery life and we'd hear, "typical, they'll copy but then they won't share".
Exactly. Going a step further, it doesn't really take "courage" to anger people who hate every single thing you do anyways. Ignoring chronic whiners is merely common sense.

(I'm not saying that every single person who is against removing the headphone jack is an Apple hater and chronic whiner. However, many of the most vocal critics of this move are often the most vocal critics of every single action that Apple has ever made).
 
Initially ordered an iPhone 7 Plus. Cancelled the order (good news for customers who want one, lol).

Reason for cancelling the order:

1. No OIS on telephoto camera.
2. No 4K video at 60fps (A10 chip is fast enough for this).
3. No reduction in the front bezel.
4. No 4K screen (madness considering it captures 4K photos and video).
5. No USB-C.

I did not mind that the headphone jack was removed or no wireless charging/ quick charging provided. With 8K around the bend, the phone captures great 4K photos and videos yet still a 1080p screen. I get it it's too small to notice a difference or it will take a battery life hit. However when viewing an image or video in 4K it's best to replay or review on a 1:1 display without conversion.

My 6S Plus is working out rather well, I find that many of the apps do not use the A9 capabilities after a year of owning this device. The "A" family of chips are great, however not a lot of apps are using it to its potential this includes Apple sadly.

Most of those things we known BEFORE you ordered so I'm calling you out as being a dufus.
Fast enough and fast enough to do it right is not the same thing. Samsung is fine with the first option.
 
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Sorry. It'll be the 7S next year. If you're hoping for a radical redesign, look to 2018. 10th iPhone anniversary will have no impact on moving the pipeline forward 1 year.

People have seen these sort of rumours come and go. They were expecting it with the 4S as well.
Why 2018?
 
Most of those things we known BEFORE you ordered so I'm calling you out as being a dufus.
Fast enough and fast enough to do it right is not the same thing. Samsung is fine with the first option.

Are you saying that rumour/s is fact. Granted some rumours come true while others not so. No reason to call others names. I highly suspect anyone here would wager any large sum on majority of the rumours to make it in the released product. Unless you are part of the inner circle of Apple hours before the keynote.

MR is entertainment, that too many here take a passion to heart at a troubling sense. At times I question if people on this forum believe that Apple is some sort of saviour. Sad reality.

It is always a nice surprise for Apple to include in a product that was never rumoured, or for a rumour to not be true or possibly delayed.

Keep the name calling to yourself in the future, there is no room for school yard bullying tactics. Cheers, I have met someone from the future. Would love to hear more, lol.
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Exactly. Going a step further, it doesn't really take "courage" to anger people who hate every single thing you do anyways. Ignoring chronic whiners is merely common sense.

(I'm not saying that every single person who is against removing the headphone jack is an Apple hater and chronic whiner. However, many of the most vocal critics of this move are often the most vocal critics of every single action that Apple has ever made).

Apple should have had the courage not only to remove the headphone jack, however use USB-C instead of the Lightning port.

If one is going to make a change, bite the bullet now with the removal and change, instead of providing yet another adapter from Lightening to USB-C.

Make the retina MacBook have two USB-C ports for the next revision. The headphone jack is limiting its potential.
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That's a problem right now - models are ordered by screen size, adding features etc. as screen size goes up. But people's wishes for screen sizes are really independent of the rest. Some people want a small screen with all the features, some just want a big screen and don't care about the camera at all.

Let's be happy that OIS is now included in the 4.7-inch model.

Always seemed like a marketing ploy, or advancements in technology miniature. This is Apple it's more along the lines of 80:20 lol.
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Why 2018?
Apple used the iPhone 4 design for versions 4S and revised it for the 5 and 5S. Moving from a glass rear to an Al rear. We may see the same happening with the 6, 6S and, 7. The next 7S or 8 is a 50/50 chance.
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Reserve duel camera for better phone :)

Gotta give us somethin' to shoot for...
Curious to know if there is any significance from including 4 led lights in the rear vice 2 led lights. Brightness, even tones, ?
 
Probably not the right place to ask this, but can someone explain or does anyone know how other dual lens systems work in regard to 1.5x zoom? Or any zoom amount >1 and <2? Does it use the 2x lens for the inner part of the picture and then software merge that with the image from the wide angle lens for the outer portion?
 
I have been a full time pro for 30 years and not weddings either, over 140k in camera gear, computers and darkroom.

I am pretty excited about this phone.
Really?! Because of its size when a Nikon would be obtrusive? I'm genuinely curious as to what makes it attractive to a seasoned pro like yourself.
 
I would not go that far. First off, the competitors implementing dual cameras are doing so on much larger devices. Or thicker devices. I don't think putting a single lens in the iPhone 7 is intentional crippling. The dual module looks like it takes up quite a bit of space. We smaller phone fans can't have everything. This is as close as I've seen Apple come since the introduction of two size classes to giving the smaller phone parity with the larger phone, at last as much as chassis size and battery life considerations will allow. I think they should bump up the screen dpi but that might eat away at battery capacity and necessitate a bump in thickness. I would be fine with that but that's not how Apple rolls.

I loved the Edge screen on my Note 7 before everything blew all to hell and the recall took it from me. But I have seen a lot of bashed in corners on edge models, including my husband's. I wonder if there's a bit of an issue there. It's just a suspicion some folks and I are wondering about. Time and factual accounting of repair statistics will tell.

Even many Samsung fanatics, not casual users but loyal customers on various other boards, are complaining about Edge screens and furious Samsung seems committed to this direction and abandoning flat screens altogether. The people who seem most enthusiastic about them are converts from iPhones, like me. For us it's a super cool novelty. Note did implement it beautifully. I had no false touch problems.

But they are impossible to get fitted with good glass screen protectors that don't pop up when used with a case. I think if Apple did play the waiting game on edge displays, it was to see how the fad plays to the end users. It is costly to repair these screens. Had Apple implemented them right away, consumers would have been raging about the replacement costs. For all we know, they might be exploring their options to avoid fragility and another "bendgate" type of knock on their reputation.

I'm in as huge mood to kick Apple in the tail right now as anyone. But if I am going to criticize them, I do want to be called out on going overboard or being unfair.

So I'm calling myself out. I made some sharp remarks about Apple keeping to proprietary lightning instead of jumping on the USB-c standard and now I'm reading bits of things here and there about possible safety concerns over this standard not being implemented properly by even reputable names. I'm waiting to see if there was anything at all about USB-C having anything to do with exacerbating the faulty battery issue on Note 7 to such an explosive degree, pun intended. I'm not confident, however, that any such problem will ever be publicly revealed.

Apple has always been slow and steady like a tortoise. When they try to get something out fast like Apple Watch 1 they get chewed a new one for it. They can't please everyone.
Thank you for your reply. I think it's intentional, they always add something exclusive to iPhone Plus only to propagate it a year later to the standard model (and at the same time add something new exclusive to the Plus). iPhone 6/7 dimensions are 138 x 67 mm, Huawei P9 145 x 70 mm, the difference in size is not that big. Also Ming-Chi (and she knows more than anyone else) says it's done due to the necessity for Apple to enhance the added value of high-end iPhone models, not due to technical limitations.

Regarding the edge to edge screen I was thinking about this issue, trying to imagine a design that would protect edges to some extent. Clearly a screen will be more fragile when the phone is dropped, but maybe it's an acceptable trade-in for having such screen... Or there's some hard kind of glass... The only thing that's for sure is that such screen should have straight or nearly straight corners like in that image, if that's possible at all. So the sides could be used as a virtual touch panel with programmable 'buttons'.

Regarding Lightning someone posted on these forums a good explanation why Lightning is much better and advanced than USB-C, I couldn't find this post right now unfortunately.

iphone-7-edge.jpg
 
Apple should have had the courage not only to remove the headphone jack, however use USB-C instead of the Lightning port.

If one is going to make a change, bite the bullet now with the removal and change, instead of providing yet another adapter from Lightening to USB-C.

Make the retina MacBook have two USB-C ports for the next revision. The headphone jack is limiting its potential.

That's a very good point. Apple is making the lightning port *the* port on iOS devices, and USB-C will eventually be *the* port on Macs and really everything else as well. It seems inevitable that the lightning port will eventually be replaced by USB-C, but who knows with Apple.
 
Are you saying that rumour/s is fact. Granted some rumours come true while others not so. No reason to call others names. I highly suspect anyone here would wager any large sum on majority of the rumours to make it in the released product. Unless you are part of the inner circle of Apple hours before the keynote.

MR is entertainment, that too many here take a passion to heart at a troubling sense. At times I question if people on this forum believe that Apple is some sort of saviour. Sad reality.

It is always a nice surprise for Apple to include in a product that was never rumoured, or for a rumour to not be true or possibly delayed.

Keep the name calling to yourself in the future, there is no room for school yard bullying tactics. Cheers, I have met someone from the future. Would love to hear more, lol.
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I agree there are no reasons to call people names, but the reasons that OP gave for cancelling his iPhone 7 order were known before he ordered it. Orders weren't accepted until after the keynote when all but 1 of his reasons for canceling were revealed. They weren't rumors at that point is what he's getting at.
 
Are you saying that rumour/s is fact. Granted some rumours come true while others not so. No reason to call others names. I highly suspect anyone here would wager any large sum on majority of the rumours to make it in the released product. Unless you are part of the inner circle of Apple hours before the keynote.

MR is entertainment, that too many here take a passion to heart at a troubling sense. At times I question if people on this forum believe that Apple is some sort of saviour. Sad reality.

It is always a nice surprise for Apple to include in a product that was never rumoured, or for a rumour to not be true or possibly delayed.

Keep the name calling to yourself in the future, there is no room for school yard bullying tactics. Cheers, I have met someone from the future. Would love to hear more, lol.
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Apple should have had the courage not only to remove the headphone jack, however use USB-C instead of the Lightning port.

If one is going to make a change, bite the bullet now with the removal and change, instead of providing yet another adapter from Lightening to USB-C.

Make the retina MacBook have two USB-C ports for the next revision. The headphone jack is limiting its potential.
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Let's be happy that OIS is now included in the 4.7-inch model.

Always seemed like a marketing ploy, or advancements in technology miniature. This is Apple it's more along the lines of 80:20 lol.
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Apple used the iPhone 4 design for versions 4S and revised it for the 5 and 5S. Moving from a glass rear to an Al rear. We may see the same happening with the 6, 6S and, 7. The next 7S or 8 is a 50/50 chance.
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Curious to know if there is any significance from including 4 led lights in the rear vice 2 led lights. Brightness, even tones, ?

Good grief. Reread your own posts, you said you ordered then cancelled because "list of reasons", when most of those things WERE KNOWN BY THAT TIME AND NOT RUMORS (cause Apple announced it).

If you had said, just the lack OIS on the zoom lens made you change your mind, which wasn't clearly stated, you'd have a point. But, that's not what you said.

So, don't play coy. I actually responded to what you wrote, not what you think you wrote.
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Really?! Because of its size when a Nikon would be obtrusive? I'm genuinely curious as to what makes it attractive to a seasoned pro like yourself.

Even a seasoned pro doesn't have their main camera on them at all time. Also, people tend to react differently in many different ways, than to a big SLR setup; that alone is the main difference.
 
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I would not go that far. First off, the competitors implementing dual cameras are doing so on much larger devices. Or thicker devices. I don't think putting a single lens in the iPhone 7 is intentional crippling. The dual module looks like it takes up quite a bit of space. We smaller phone fans can't have everything. This is as close as I've seen Apple come since the introduction of two size classes to giving the smaller phone parity with the larger phone, at last as much as chassis size and battery life considerations will allow. I think they should bump up the screen dpi but that might eat away at battery capacity and necessitate a bump in thickness. I would be fine with that but that's not how Apple rolls.

I loved the Edge screen on my Note 7 before everything blew all to hell and the recall took it from me. But I have seen a lot of bashed in corners on edge models, including my husband's. I wonder if there's a bit of an issue there. It's just a suspicion some folks and I are wondering about. Time and factual accounting of repair statistics will tell.

Even many Samsung fanatics, not casual users but loyal customers on various other boards, are complaining about Edge screens and furious Samsung seems committed to this direction and abandoning flat screens altogether. The people who seem most enthusiastic about them are converts from iPhones, like me. For us it's a super cool novelty. Note did implement it beautifully. I had no false touch problems.

But they are impossible to get fitted with good glass screen protectors that don't pop up when used with a case. I think if Apple did play the waiting game on edge displays, it was to see how the fad plays to the end users. It is costly to repair these screens. Had Apple implemented them right away, consumers would have been raging about the replacement costs. For all we know, they might be exploring their options to avoid fragility and another "bendgate" type of knock on their reputation.

I'm in as huge mood to kick Apple in the tail right now as anyone. But if I am going to criticize them, I do want to be called out on going overboard or being unfair.

So I'm calling myself out. I made some sharp remarks about Apple keeping to proprietary lightning instead of jumping on the USB-c standard and now I'm reading bits of things here and there about possible safety concerns over this standard not being implemented properly by even reputable names. I'm waiting to see if there was anything at all about USB-C having anything to do with exacerbating the faulty battery issue on Note 7 to such an explosive degree, pun intended. I'm not confident, however, that any such problem will ever be publicly revealed.

Apple has always been slow and steady like a tortoise. When they try to get something out fast like Apple Watch 1 they get chewed a new one for it. They can't please everyone.
Good post . But the honor 8 has dual cameras and it's a pretty small device.
 
Nah, next year will be the 7S. It'll look practically identical.

If you're hoping for a radical redesign, point your eyes to 2018.
I would normally agree, but this particular analyst was correct petty much on every single claim for the past 5 years or so. From the outrageous all plastic 'C', to the two sizes, to the iPad pro, to dual camera and minor design change. He was also correct about the SE.

Next year is a decade of iPhones, even the name makes sense 'iPhone X'
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It'll be 7s next fall... Apple is good, too good, at milking stuff out and when the 7s does come and no 8, people will try to justify it and stick up for Apple. :rolleyes:
The already milked people for two S's this time: iPhone 6s, and iPhone 6s2 (aka 7).

iPhone 7, like iPad 3, is a gap filler. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple releases iPhone x in June 2017, so that it's almost exactly 10 years from launch of the original.
 
Reading a lot about whether 2017 iPhone will be a redesign or not. I am betting on that apple will produce a redesign next year. Regardless, I am bored as hell with the current form factor, it doesn't make sense for me to shell out close to a grand (in Canada) for a phone that looks and feels the same 3 years to date. No way. No jet black, no matte black, no camera bump is temping me to buy the current iteration of the phone. Which is I am going to wait and hope it'll be next year but even if its not, it wouldn't matter for me because the 6/6s design worn off a year ago.

Some people can't wait but I'm holding out until the rumoured glass design or even any redesign in general. I am leaning towards believing that apple will have a redesign next year as the rumour was said by Ming Chi something something fellow about 2017.
 
Reading a lot about whether 2017 iPhone will be a redesign or not. I am betting on that apple will produce a redesign next year. Regardless, I am bored as hell with the current form factor, it doesn't make sense for me to shell out close to a grand (in Canada) for a phone that looks and feels the same 3 years to date. No way. No jet black, no matte black, no camera bump is temping me to buy the current iteration of the phone. Which is I am going to wait and hope it'll be next year but even if its not, it wouldn't matter for me because the 6/6s design worn off a year ago.

Just out of interest: what makes you "bored as hell with the current design and form factor"?
I genuinely don't understand... do you get bored with all the other devices in your life? e.g. DSLRs, car, microwave, etc. If Canon or Nikon released cameras in different shapes
Why do you need a new design after 2 years? what's the incentive?
I understand desiring a phone for new features, which will make working with the phone easier or better - but for a new shape...?
 
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Not missing much with 2X zoom. I'm used to using prime lens and zooming with my feet which are faster and simpler since the DSLR days.
 
Good grief. Reread your own posts, you said you ordered then cancelled because "list of reasons", when most of those things WERE KNOWN BY THAT TIME AND NOT RUMORS (cause Apple announced it).

If you had said, just the lack OIS on the zoom lens made you change your mind, which wasn't clearly stated, you'd have a point. But, that's not what you said.

So, don't play coy. I actually responded to what you wrote, not what you think you wrote.
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Lol, someone needs to take a deep breath and relax. I did not watch the keynote on Wed. I was in an area with no mobile data coverage. When I did hear the iPhone 7 was on pre-order on Friday, I pulled the trigger. Much rather have it on order and not want it then to not have ordered it and want it. Yes, I can afford to upgrade every year if I feel it's worth it to me. No, I did not loose any sleep waiting for the pre-orders to be available. I was waiting for my plane when I briefly read about the dual camera and the pre-order. Could I have kept both the 7 Plus and 6S Plus, sure. That being said when I started to read more about it, I felt it's best to hold-off till next year.

Relax and stop assuming, that others have a 24/7 connection to read specs before upgrading. Some people upgrade regardless of specs. Remember rumours are not fact, hence the word. Though very entertaining. Cheers and take a deep breath, your reaction seems as if I backed out of some personal deal with you or you were unfortunate to secure an iPhone 7 of your own. :)
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iPhone 7, like iPad 3, is a gap filler. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Apple releases iPhone x in June 2017, so that it's almost exactly 10 years from launch of the original.
I suspect the same reference to the iPad 3. Would Apple release hardware at WWDC.
 
One for each color channel, but why not go for 30 cam - 10 for each channel? Either way, for quality work nothing beats a DSLR and its one sensor with physical attributes that quickly explain why it's better suited for most tasks....
Apple doesn't improve the camera to kill DSLR sales. They improve the camera so that 50 million or more iPhone users get a better camera to make better pictures.
 
Just out of interest: what makes you "bored as hell with the current design and form factor"?
I genuinely don't understand... do you get bored with all the other devices in your life? e.g. DSLRs, car, microwave, etc. If Canon or Nikon released cameras in different shapes
Why do you need a new design after 2 years? what's the incentive?
I understand desiring a phone for new features, which will make working with the phone easier or better - but for a new shape...?

Exactly. I'd be happy if apple went to a 4-year physical design plan. People don't understand that good design isn't always a new look. It's saying, "what works on this, and what can be improved?"

Your camera example was perfect. In most cases the design changes are gradual. "hey, the mode selection knob isn't easy enough to grasp." "Okay, on the next model lets make it slightly bigger, and with a better surface pattern." The Canon 5d mark iv doesn't look much different, but photographers are excited anyway. Spend the time in R&D improving, rather than trying to re-invent just because someone is "bored" with the look.

The issue is, many people, despite their claims otherwise, just see their phone as fashion or a way to impress.
 
I don't think I am. I think my presence is necessary to point Apple's faults rather than have everyone nod up and down like lemmings, too many of the faults fly right under the radar.

To suggest that everyone, except yourself (of course), is a lemming in need of your help is narcissistic and delusional behavior.

You are not the forum's savior.
 
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quite a bit off topic, but since you asked...

how about trying to charge it in a car that has an aux jack in the stereo but no bluetooth when doing a 20 hour road trip? there's one example
Get one of the BT receivers and plug that into the AUX jack.

Problem solved?
 
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