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Dual-SIM Dual Standby Feature May Be Limited to Version of 6.1-Inch iPhone Available Only in China
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Somewhere other than China where the feature is not offered.
Again with these posts - millions of Indians (living in India) are able to afford the iPhones 8 and X. Yes, even in the highly taxed market that can make an iPhone cost almost twice as it does in the USA.
The average middle-middle class in India own gold worth 10-25 iPhones in the form of jewelry; that is their default investment/savings mode.
The existing Mac ecosystem in India is poor though. As most Indians are still using desk-bound computers, the Mac mini will the perfect entry level device for Apple - increase its customer base by hundreds of millions with a $4-600 device. iPhones or Macs, none of them will get replaced in 2-4 year cycles like in the USA, but the growth potential in the consumer base every year is enormous. People hooked into this ecosystem are usually faithful for a lifetime!
Apple's marketing infrastructure in India is still poor - hopefully that will change once a ton of Apple Stores are opened.
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The iPhone X costs $1,250 in India. It's less expensive than buying an iPhone X in the UK. It's a far cry from your exaggerations.
The average price of a smartphone sold in India was $157 in 2017.
The median household income in India is $3,168.
Don't blame the Mac or iOS ecosystem for being poor. Blame the consumers in India.
Come back with facts instead of making up stuff about how many bars of gold, jewelry, or cattle each family owns.
Love iPhone silly season! I’m very much looking forward to seeing the latest devices unveiled. I will probably skip and stay with my 8 Plus for another year, as I absolutely love it still, despite being “old” form factor. I’m more likely to be tempted by the ipads...
No... it's not an AVAILABLE feature in North America. That's != "not popular". Many of us would love to have a single phone for work and home use, or have the option to pop in a local sim when traveling.
I would say the main reason why dual SIM in not a thing in the USA is because of carrier SIM locking. Most people buy their phone on some sort of payment plan and carriers keep the SIM locked to their network as a way to guarantee the loan. It would defeat the purpose of dual sim to have both slots locked to the same carrier.
I'm sure many in North America have more than one phone. Apple will never bring it there for one simple reason - lost revenue. They prefer you buy two iPhones instead of one. I have three phones right now, 2 sims on one network and another network. I would love to consolidate two of those sims down to two network, but I'm sure Apple would not like that.
I doubt this would be the case. Apple doesn't usually create country specific SKUs unless there's a must (eg. LTE modem compatibility). Unlike other OEMs, Apple tend to make as few SKUs as they can to streamline the production. It cost more to make some models just for one specific country.
A dual SIM iPhone will be welcomed in Asia. What's left to wonder is how Apple would handle the dual SIM feature. Although it's a common feature on Android, it's not on iOS, and thus some apps may face compatibility issue.
A dual SIM iPhone will be welcomed in Asia. What's left to wonder is how Apple would handle the dual SIM feature. Although it's a common feature on Android, it's not on iOS, and thus some apps may face compatibility issue.
Yes, having two numbers is definitely a great feature instead of having to carry multiple phones around. I myself always buy the carrier unlocked version and just pop in a prepaid SIM when I’m in Europe. I didn’t do this back when I had my iPhone 3G and ended up with an $1200 bill when I got back to NY! I think I talked for half an hour total and consumed about 200-300MB of data! That was a complete ripoff! Unfortunately after having a few drinks, all of my self control went out the window and I called some friends back home. Big mistake!!!
I think US and Canada carriers persuade manufactures not to sell dual SIM phones in the US (and Canada) to avoid jumping or using more than one carrier easier. Dual SIM phones are unlocked by default. If Apple sold dual SIM phones in the US, this would open the floodgates.
I have a dual SIM Samsung Galaxy S9 from Asia. All Galaxy phones sold outside of the US and Canada are dual SIM. I travel a lot and I would never use a single SIM phone because of the inconvenience of carrying two phones.
I have a dual SIM Samsung Galaxy S9 from Asia. All Galaxy phones sold outside of the US and Canada are dual SIM. I travel a lot and I would never use a single SIM phone because of the inconvenience of carrying two phones.
I am not wrong about the gold consumed in India. The Indians are the second largest gold consumers in the world, and most of that gold is in 22K gold jewelry. Comparatively, in percentage, the industrial use of gold is in the low teens.
iPhones are the most sold premium smartphones in India among those that cost more than $430, more than the Korean Samsung and Chinese OnePlus phone, in 2017. So, the $140 average phone sales price doesn't apply, as the volume of phones available below $100 is huge. There is enormous disposable income available to the middle classic India, who like the status symbol of an iPhone.
The median income does not reflect the sheer number of people who do have the kind of money to buy such a luxury symbol, because the percentage of people living under the poverty line is so large. By sheer numbers, that is more than the 300+ million population of the USA.
The middle class in India is also large, only next to China, about 600 million. They are Apple's target consumers.
[doublepost=1533415298][/doublepost]This is dumb . Just include it in all new phones , if people don’t use it so what . It could be a nice feature to give attention to new phones . So far 2018 iPhone rumors make it seems really boring so this is something that would be nice
Rumors have suggested Apple is planning to introduce dual-SIM dual standby functionality in some 2018 iPhone models, which would allow two SIM cards to be used at once, but it appears this functionality could perhaps be limited to China.
According to a new report from Taiwanese site Economic Daily News [Google Translate], a Foxconn source has suggested the dual-SIM dual standby feature will available in a version of the 6.1-inch low-cost LCD iPhone that's "a unique model for China."
Dummy models depicting design of Apple's three rumored 2018 iPhones
Production on the new iPhones slated for a September debut is well underway, with Foxconn employees suggesting Apple is producing four unique model numbers (801, 802, 803, and 804) for the upcoming iPhones, hinting at the extra two SIM model. The site suggests that 801 and 802 correspond to the 5.8 and 6.5-inch iPhones, while the latter two numbers are for separate 6.1-inch LCD iPhones.
Economic Daily News says that Apple is planning to introduce a dual-SIM dual standby iPhone in China because it is common for people in China to have more than one mobile phone number. As many as three to four billion consumers use dual SIM cards, and many smartphones in China already offer support for more than one SIM card. To remain competitive in the Chinese market and lure customers from Android devices, Apple also needs to support the feature.
Respected Apple analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has also suggested that Apple is working on two 6.1-inch iPhone models for launch in 2018, one with dual-SIM dual standby and a second with a single SIM. While he suggested Apple might make the dual-SIM dual standby model more expensive, he did not indicate that it would be limited to China.
Kuo believes that Apple could price the dual-SIM dual standby 6.1-inch iPhone at $650 to $750, while selling the single SIM model at a lower price, perhaps $550 to $650. Both models would also be sold alongside more expensive OLED models in 5.8 and 6.5-inch sizes, for a three-iPhone lineup.
In past notes targeted at investors, Kuo has also said that the 6.5-inch iPhone could include dual-SIM dual standby, but today's report from Economic Daily News does not mention the possibility.
A separate rumor from the Chinese supply chain has indicated that 2018 iPhones will feature both an embedded Apple SIM and a traditional SIM card tray, so it's possible that dual-SIM dual standby will be available in non-Chinese devices through this implementation method. The Apple SIM is not available in China, so China would require a separate device with two physical SIM slots.
If this is the plan, though, it is not clear why Apple is not also producing a 6.5-inch iPhone with physical dual-SIM dual standby functionality for China, as plus-sized iPhones are highly popular in the country.
Past rumors suggest the upcoming 2018 iPhone models will use Intel's XMM 7560 modem chips for faster LTE speeds than are available in the current crop of devices. There were some rumors indicating Apple might also use Qualcomm's X20 modems, but Qualcomm recently said that Apple will not be using Qualcomm chips in its 2018 iPhone lineup.
Apple's specific plan for the SIM situation in the 2018 iPhones is a bit murky at this point based on the different rumors we've heard, but the new devices are expected to debut in just about six weeks if Apple sticks to its traditional September event, so we don't have too much longer to wait to find out just what Apple has in store for iPhones in 2018.
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[doublepost=1533420975][/doublepost]They seem to be doing just fine using that mentality. Richest company in the World. It it ain’t broke.......
Just saying.
The “middle class” in India can’t even afford a motorbike. It’s a fake middle class as evidenced by the fact Apple sold fewer than 1 million phones in the first half of 2018.
The glass back contributes to the additional weight. Either loose wireless charging and have a lighter device or have wireless charging and a heavier device.
I think losing the glass would make it lighter than losing the wireless charging coil. You can't take away a feature - except for the headphone jack.
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It would take some engineering effort to make space for a second sim card. Software would also need to be changed to handle the second sim. There is also a second IMEI number associated with the device.
I have to carry two phones because my iPhone won't allow 2 SIMs like my Mate 9 from Huawei (maybe thats another reason they are #2 now)
