Okay, I concede that Apple should just get the hell out of "poor" and completely devoid of "rich by 1st world standards" people, 3rd world, developing countries. Happy?
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It sucks, but it is what it is. India isn’t ready for Apple yet.
Ming-Chi Kuo really doesn’t make any sense sometimes. The idea that Apple’s follow-on model to the $699/$799 iPhone 8/8 Plus could be priced at $550 is really strange. Especially after gaining a larger screen and the expensive FaceID tech.
My guess is $749 but I could see $699. And an extra $100 for the dual-SIM model? No, I’d guess maybe $50.
My guess is $749 but I could see $699. And an extra $100 for the dual-SIM model? No, I’d guess maybe $50.
And they are! Win--Win for both!
Rich people in first world pay $1000 whereas poor people in third world countries pay $1500 for iPhones! Not sure who is rich!
Apple dominates in the premium segment as the second hand mobiles!!
Whereas, people get premium Android mobiles Note, Galaxy and other OnePlus for great bargain.
In India rich people buy high end Android mobiles whereas poor people buy second hand iPhones! Everybody wins!
BTW, most of the high end Android mobiles cost $800-$950 range!
No need to get mad just because you tried to pass off a flawed argument as valid.
The median annual household income for India is $3,168. That’s less than 1/10 of the global median.
It’s ridiculous to try to blame Apple for their ecosystem or specs when the rest of the world is buying Apple.
Indians simply can’t afford premium smartphones yet. iPhone X costs less to buy in India than the UK so price isn’t the issue.
Look at it another way. A Big Mac in India costs about 1/2 the price in US. You can relished in the fact that you are "rich" and can afford to pay 2x price for your "premium" Big Mac. In actuality, you are not getting more.
People in "lower" income countries tend to look for value more. It is not that they could not afford to buy iPhone. It is just that they are more value conscious and not so stupid to want to pay 2 to 3 times more for an iPhone which does the same thing as a Chinese branded phone
Are you seriously trying to equate a fast food item with a technical innovation like the iPhone? Labor in India is dirt cheap so of course a burger would cost less. An iPhone only has $7 of assembly costs with the rest being patented high technology.
Consumers in low income countries like India can’t afford an iPhone because buying one would represent half their annual household income. In other words, they can’t afford one.
There are clear benefits to using an iPhone compared to Android. Apple has sold more than 1 billion iPhones for good reason.
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You are forgetting the fact that there are a lot more people in India. Just look at China. On average their per capital income is only 1/5 the US. Using your logic, no one in China can afford an iPhone.
And it is a fact that a Android costing 1/3 the price of iPhone can do more than iPhone (in functional specs)
You are forgetting the fact that there are a lot more people in India. Just look at China. On average their per capital income is only 1/5 the US. Using your logic, no one in China can afford an iPhone.
And it is a fact that a Android costing 1/3 the price of iPhone can do more than iPhone (in functional specs)
The median household income in China is more than double that of India.
The literacy rate in China is more than 95%. More than 99% of the population has access to electricity.
India's literacy rate is under 75%. Only 88% of the population has access to drinking water. Less than 85% of Indians have access to electricity. Rape is the fourth most common crime against women in India.
Chinese consumers can comfortably buy an iPhone while Indians are worrying about basic health and rape. Yes, there are a lot more people in India. Unfortunately, most of them are dirt poor. Most Indians can't afford a smartphone let alone an iPhone.
Well it is not. The iPhone 8 Plus will move down the price ladder this September, occupying the iPhone 7 Plus price which is $669. What could happen is this iPhone 6.1 replaces the iPhone 8 Plus. So the line up could look something like:
iPhone XS Plus $999
IPhone XS. $849
iPhone (2018). $699
iPhone 7 Plus $549
iPhone 7. $449
( They moved down the ladder and both are this year’s iPhone 6s Pricing )
And hopefully
iPhone 6s. $349
iPhone SE. $249
Well I think the 8 series will stay in the lineup, no reason to drop them. But it seems like we agree that the new 6.1” LCD can’t be as low as 550.
Here’s my prediction:
999 X Plus
899 X
749 9 (new 6.1”)
679 8 Plus
579 8
579 7 Plus
479 7
Maybe the 6S/6S Plus are discontinued but I think they have another year in them
499 6S Plus
399 6S
329 SE
I'm not sure what your beef is against the poor of the world and in particular India.
It's a given that many can't afford to buy food or water let alone an IPhone and that's a shame but owning an IPhone is no measure of wealth or any other random perceived measure you seem to wish to attach to it.
Given the top 20% of Indians earn over $20k which is the same as the top 80% of Americans you should ponder on why the 2 groups of around 260M each have entirely different penetration of Apple products in particular Iphones
It's also muddelled further is so far that the US is the 3rd most expensive place to own an iphone. This group of Indians are likely to have more disposal income due to lower cost of living and that they pay less tax, but not nessassarily legally
There are far to many generalisations we could speculate on re cultural differences etc, but for these 2 relatively wealthy groups it is not about how poor thier other countrymen are which seems the main thrust of your argument
Absolutely. Although I would love to be proven wrong with $550 iPhone.
The problem with $999 and $899 iPhone X size is $100 is too little price difference, and not possible to cover for the additional OLED price and material cost. I am not sure if they will do $200 price difference, but it is highly likely at least $150.
So if it $999 for the 6.5", then the 5.8" would be $849. Or may be, Apple will push the 6.5" as $1049, and the 5.8 as $899.
My next problem is having a $749 iPhone 6.1 with Single Lens Camera Vs a $679 iPhone 8 Plus with Dual Lens. Apple product selection has never been as complicated as the current iPhone and putting these two so close is just the wrong direction.
My theory of pricing the $550 iPhone in China may have to do with most its competitor phone are sold at this price range, ( Retail price in China will be 25% higher when you include Import duty and sales tax )
I cant wait to see how Apple play this out.
I am from Australia and I travel internationally weekly for work. In the past, I have upgraded my phone every year. I currently have an iPhone 7 Plus (for the first time ever, the 8 and X didn't warrant an upgrade for me) and the only real chance I will upgrade to the new iPhone from the 7 is if it has dual sim. Of course, this is my personal viewpoint.
Not sure if it is a "standard", but the option are there in most of the Chinese Android Dual Sim Phone. You can even select which one to use for Data only. ( Which is something I am not sure if Apple allows )
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Wait that doesn’t make sense.
Has Apple ever offered a dual sim/dual standby phone? If not, then how would those in the ecosystem know that they want it or don't want it?
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What would you do with two SIMs? You can have two phone numbers, but there are apps for that. And using two SIMs means you pay for two contracts.
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Twenty pound burner phone. But then maybe you are not thinking with your brain...
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1. You can have two phone contracts and two phone numbers, within one phone. Today, if you want two phone numbers and don't want to use one of the apps doing this cheaper than a second contract, you need to buy a second phone. 2. Two SIMs cost more than one. The $100 difference that someone quoted is a bit exaggerated.
Boy, you do hate Indians!
Which century are you in when referring to the 85% electricity? Americans and Chinese people don't get raped? At least we get to read about the rapes in India because a (relatively) free press exists. Other than the propaganda show pieces that China puts up in its major cities, we see and hear nothing about China. What is China's rape statistic? Have the Chinese communist dictatorially ruled populace heard of Google, as it exists in the USA?
Do you understand the statistical word "median"? That means a skewered equal amount of people exist on both sides of the median point, which in a population like India (and China) means that many have middle-class income as defined by their living standards. Do you know how many motorcycles are sold in India? They are usually the 100-150cc kind used for commute, not the big beasts used recreationally in the USA.
Apple is not water and electricity; the poor don't crave for it.
Read Apple India's statistics before vomiting all over this forum. This thread just started as a decent discussion about dual-sim iPhones and if Apple will produce them across the board.
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On one hand, that is true. On the other hand, you get expensive roaming charges if your US SIM card is used in Europe.