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Eddy Cue Says He 'Disagrees Vehemently' With Those Who Believe Apple's Pace of Innovation Has Slowed

Quu said:
What made the first iPhone different was multitouch and a willingness to walk away from a physical keyboard. Just because others had better phones, laptops, watches or whatever doesn’t mean that Apple doesn’t offer something meaningful.
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The primary difference was really iOS. They leveraged OS X into the mobile smartphone market and ten years later they still have a huge advantage vs. competitors as a result.
 
maybe we have different terms for innovation
+ MacBook Pro no non-touchbar options for 15"
+ Too big of a trackpad that does too many false positives (both 13 and 15in)
+ No regular USB/HDMI ports
+ Putting both USB-C ports on same side for 13"
+ No headphone port iPhone
+ No new iPad mini, instead received 128GB only option for iPad mini 4

If you include the stuff you do not like like to your list of innovative things, its still as long as before. Just as innovative but not as useful changes is the problem.
 
Chupa Chupa said:
Yes, but when they did that they completely crushed and disrupted the market. That really hasn't happened since the iPad. I think Apple still makes products better than the next guy for the most part but it's not really a tech leader like it once was even when it was last to market.

Take Siri as one example. It bought Siri and incorporated it into iOS before Google, Samsung, Amazon. Nice head start for Apple and lots of buzz and worth of mouth. But then crickets in Cupertino. Meanwhile Google, Samsung, Amazon raced to make competitors. And they came up with worthy ones and expanded the concept. Look at the category today and Apple won't have a Siri speaker out for another couple months and nothing in the way of a complete system. Meanwhile Google and Amazon offer a complete array from large speakers meant for music to mini ones meant mostly to receive commands. Nothing like that from Apple. Why? It can't build a decent $99 microphone? It's a bit frustrating and puzzling.
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I think it's just easier for them to build a red watch band instead. Sad, but true.

The thing Apple seems to be missing, is they're putting all their eggs in one basket, the ecosystem. Now me, I have an iPhone, iPad, iMac, AppleTV, and MacBook Pro. The ONLY thing keeping me sticky to Apple and buying services from them (their primary revenue and profit source now) is the ecosystem keeping me in. I've never been closer to leaving iPhone\AppleTV than I am right now. And the ecosystem is setup in such a way, that if I leave on one device, the single sticky that keeps me loyal to all other apple products and services is gone and therefor will trigger a domino effect to explore other brands and products in the other categories.

This could be a huge issue for Apple... not in 6 months... they'll sell a ton of iPhone X... but in 3-5 years as people like me who fall out on one device and lose the "sticky" that keeps loyalty within the Apple-sphere no longer exists. If Apple didn't have the services revenue, they'd be as relevant as Blackberry in 3-5 years.
 
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Chupa Chupa said:
Yes, but when they did that they completely crushed and disrupted the market. That really hasn't happened since the iPad.
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Not so sure...Apple Watch is the top selling watch in the world. That's not just smartwatches. That's any watch.
 
gnipgnop said:
The primary difference was really iOS. They leveraged OS X into the mobile smartphone market and ten years later they still have a huge advantage vs. competitors as a result.
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Have you seen the market share statistics lately on Android vs iOS? I'm not sure anyone would think having a 10% marketshare is a healthy long-term position in technology. It's worked for them on Mac, because the market doesn't move quick like consumer cellular\electronics. Most won't be ditching their 2 year old computer when Lenovo comes out with their next cool feature. However, when it comes to phones, people absolutely will jump ship, and have (Nokia, Blackberry, Danger, Palm all are prime historical examples).
 
@ Eddy

sorry to be odd man out but keep on keeping on

macOS = sweet. Sierra/HS is the best OS X i’ve ever used. and i’ve used all of them. great new features that have changed the way i work at a core level.

iphone X looks great. so does iMac Pro.

looking forward to using both of those.

get the low power ram in the MBP and we’ll have the hardware trifecta. ;)
 
chriscrowlee said:
Have you seen the market share statistics lately on Android vs iOS?
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Have you seen Google's hardware sales statistics? How's Tizen working out for Samsung? Does Huawei have their own OS yet? Apple appears to be the only company that can walk and chew gum at the same time in the mobile market.
 
Just the fact that he thinks the recent revisions to the Mac OS and iOS are innovative and "led the market" tells you all you really need to know about this man. Unless he's talking about leading the market in destroying once unassailably excellent operating systems and UIs... Apple's been a real market leader in that over the past few years, that's for sure.

Something for all us long-time Apple-heads who kept insisting that things were going in the wrong direction: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/09/05/flat_uis_designs_are_22_per_cent_slower_official/
 
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chriscrowlee said:
The thing Apple seems to be missing, is they're putting all their eggs in one basket, the ecosystem.
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I wish that were the case. I've always been quite happy in the Apple ecosystem because they made compelling products and simple GUIs with powerful OSes. From my perspective Apple's drive these days is not to support the whole ecosystem but really just the subscription portions. That, not hardware, is where they see non-iPhone revenue growth. Personally I have zero use for Apple Music or iCloud storage and it's annoying that so much of it's new s/w it designed with an emphasis on this. I ignore it as best I can because I really have no other place to go. It hasn't gotten that bad yet.
 
What about bringing Apple Pay to one of your top prio major market: Germany!
We are waiting for years... And there is so much more of functionality missing in Germany or outside the US. But the worst is: We have to pay more for your products for less in in the package.
 
Sounds like GM selling cars in Japan in the 80's with the steering wheel on the wrong side because they wanted "global scale" with manufacturing. Didn't end well
 
gnipgnop said:
Not so sure...Apple Watch is the top selling watch in the world. That's not just smartwatches. That's any watch.
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Right but AW didn't totally kill the smartwatch market. It's one brand among many. Fitbit is a big as ever with new models. Garmin, Suunto, are untouched. AW may be the top selling watch -- we don't have any numbers to verify, of course -- but it's hardly scaring off or crushing competition.

OTOH when Apple combined the iPod with Windows + iTunes the MP3 player market vanished. Poof. No other company could compete -- many tried, but didn't last long. Same with the iPhone. Killed Blackberry. Killed Palm. Android phones took many years to get on par.
 
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davidwes said:
To me, Eddy Cue is the weakest link in this company and I don't understand why he is still here.
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That should be clearest to Tim... especially since he was responsible for handing over App Store duties to Schiller which saw marked improvement almost right away. Same with Siri... it has seen dramatic improvement since Craig became more involved, and recently was given official oversight.

Pretty much everything under Cue is lagging the competition, either in capabilities or sales or marketshare or all of the above. He was also responsible for wasting $3B on the Beats acquisition. Apple should have been working on a music streaming service years before that, or they could have bought Songza for $15M like Google and created an equivalent service. AirPods and HomePod is proof that Apple didn't need Beats for audio hardware and that it was more of a distraction than anything else. He should've been fired just for that decision and the disastrous Apple Music launch IMO.
 
davidwes said:
To me, Eddy Cue is the weakest link in this company and I don't understand why he is still here.
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Agreed.... but by definition, that makes Cook the weakest link because he seems quite happy with the upper mgmt.
 
And I "disagree vehemently" that I am not a better looking version of Brad Pitt.

Anyone can disagree. Proof is in the pudding. But good for him. What did you expect him to say?: "Ummm... yeah, we're really dropping the ball over here. Sorry bout that. We haven't had an original idea since that one guy died."???

Apple exec says Apple's doing great.

Shocking!
 
Yeaah ! Go Eddy Go !
Bring in more Rappa's, Gangsta's, DJ's, Awkwa's, Homeless to take over Design Department !!
That will revive Apple and return it to innovation !
Eddy for President !!
...of the unshaven
 
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MarkB786 said:
I'm not sure the iWatch was that much of a heroic feat of innovation. Fitbit and others were already in the space.
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Creative, Diamond and many others were already in the Mp3 space before the iPod, I think Samsung was in the tablet space before the iPad, Blackberry was in the smartphone space before the iPhone..... I mean you know, with Apple it was never a. Being first kinda thing, but being the first that actually worked!
 
Eddy is right.
Joni taught us how to penetrate our Magic Mouses in soo many unforeseen new ways...
Oaaahh, we must have been doing it sooo wrong all the time.
 
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