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You mean like your....

... phone
... computer
... car or truck
... bicycle
... most running / exercise clothing
... athletic shoes
... dishwasher
... stove
... refrigerator
... clothes washer & dryer
... power tools


I'm curious how much is Apple, Samsung, Dell, Ford, Toyota, Trek, Brooks, Mizuno, Nike, Asics, GE, Frigidaire, Bosch, Maytag, etc. all paying you for the products bearing their branding?

What's different about these things from elevationlab?

how obvious it is...
 
Not had time to read all 4 pages so apologies if this has been mentioned already but WiFi doesn’t work well underwater, which surely rather cancels out one of the main claimed advantages of this product.

“Wifi waves don’t work at all well underwater. It might be possible one day to set up wifi networks underwater, but for now it’s not an option.

The problem is that the signal drops off very quickly in even a small amount of water. By the time you get a few inches, let alone a few feet, underwater, the signal is so weak as to be unusable.”
 
Not had time to read all 4 pages so apologies if this has been mentioned already but WiFi doesn’t work well underwater, which surely rather cancels out one of the main claimed advantages of this product.

“Wifi waves don’t work at all well underwater. It might be possible one day to set up wifi networks underwater, but for now it’s not an option.

The problem is that the signal drops off very quickly in even a small amount of water. By the time you get a few inches, let alone a few feet, underwater, the signal is so weak as to be unusable.”

Um… what does this have to do with anything? If you drop an airtag in the toilet by accident, you’re not worried about actually trying to track it. (Btw, airtag doesn’t use wifi, so there’s that, too).
 
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Um… what does this have to do with anything? If you drop an airtag in the toilet by accident, you’re not worried about actually trying to track it. (Btw, airtag doesn’t use wifi, so there’s that, too).
Only a fool would attempt to track an AirTag dropped into a toilet. There are many scenarios where something might be dropped into water where tracking would be helpful if it was feasible.

Perhaps I have misunderstood how AirTags work but this is a direct quote from a MacRumors article (link below).

“ AirTags connect to your iOS and macOS devices over Bluetooth.”

I know that I referred to WiFi in my earlier post but it’s been a long day. Bluetooth doesn’t work underwater either.

 
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Still not a nightmare. I change the oil and rotate my tires on my vehicle every 3,000 miles (which for me is a little over 4 times per year), which would take far longer than replacing 12 AirTag batteries with these holders once a year, and I don't consider that a nightmare either. It's just routine maintenance.

I also doubt most people are going to be using THAT many AirTags, but maybe I'm wrong.


So having one nightmare negates the other nightmares?

I was speaking from my POV. Who knows how many people use. And speaking of most people, most people don't change oil themselves (not to mention EV adoption is growing). The comparisons just don't really make sense.
 
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Only a fool would attempt to track an AirTag dropped into a toilet. There are many scenarios where something might be dropped into water where tracking would be helpful if it was feasible.

Perhaps I have misunderstood how AirTags work but this is a direct quote from a MacRumors article (link below).

“ AirTags connect to your iOS and macOS devices over Bluetooth.”

I know that I referred to WiFi in my earlier post but it’s been a long day. Bluetooth doesn’t work underwater either.


Ok, but, again, why are you bothering to point out that these are not functional underwater? You can’t make phone calls under water, either, but that’s also irrelevant to this thread.

(Also, I know they use Bluetooth and UWB. As I said, they don’t use *wifi*, which is what you said they used. So I’m not sure why you are quoting language about them using bluetooth as if you are proving me wrong about something)
 
So your concern is, you see one of these black keychains connected to your keys, and you‘re not sure if it’s the airtag you’ve named “keys” or the airtag you’ve named “umbrella?”
Like many, I ordered 4-pack. I want to quickly tell them apart without having to check what's attached to them (in many cases, keys are pretty similar).
 
Like many, I ordered 4-pack. I want to quickly tell them apart without having to check what's attached to them (in many cases, keys are pretty similar).

I also ordered a 4-pack. And as long as my bike doesn’t look like my attaché case, which doesn’t look like my dog, which doesn’t look like my umbrella, I think it will be pretty easy to tell them apart.

You say you don’t want to “check what’s attached to them,” to which I say “what?!” How difficult is that? I mean, the point of these is that each is associated with an object you want to prevent from being lost. It’s the identify of the object that matters. Or are you planning to attach all four to four identical objects? (In that case, you can tell them apart by (1) telling the Find My App to make one of them beep or (2) go to Michael’s, get some different colored ribbon, and tie little bows on each.)

Your complaint may be the most bizarre thing I’ve read on here in a few weeks, at least.
 
So having one nightmare negates the other nightmares?

I was speaking from my POV. Who knows how many people use. And speaking of most people, most people don't change oil themselves (not to mention EV adoption is growing). The comparisons just don't really make sense.

I understand you're speaking for yourself. I'm just saying you have a REALLY low threshold for "nightmare" if this is it. And the oil-change/tire rotation comparison makes perfect sense. My point is if THAT isn't a nightmare to me (and many others who DO change their own oil because they don't trust dealerships to do it right) - something far more time consuming and "harder" - then surely removing and replacing 4x12 screws once a year shouldn't be viewed as a nightmare. It just struck me as funny to hear someone say that. Should take a couple seconds to remove and replace each screw, especially if you use a cordless screwdriver.

most people don't have screw guns...

I'm not sure what a "screw gun" is, but a cordless screwdriver is all that's needed and tons of people have those.
 
Ok, but, again, why are you bothering to point out that these are not functional underwater? You can’t make phone calls under water, either, but that’s also irrelevant to this thread.

(Also, I know they use Bluetooth and UWB. As I said, they don’t use *wifi*, which is what you said they used. So I’m not sure why you are quoting language about them using bluetooth as if you are proving me wrong about something)
You are correct in saying that they do not use WiFi. I mentioned WiFi by mistake. I am sorry about that but in my defence I will say that here here in the UK it is late in the day and I have been up since 5:00am. Rest assured I am not in any way trying to prove you wrong.

However, I disagree that the fact that this accessory is not functional underwater is irrelevant. My understanding is that one of the main selling points of this product is that it’s waterproof, therefore by implication that it’s useful if you lose something in water. Clearly it isn’t.

I will leave it at that. It’s Friday night and I really don’t want an argument. All the best!
 
You are correct in saying that they do not use WiFi. I mentioned WiFi by mistake. I am sorry about that but in my defence I will say that here here in the UK it is late in the day and I have been up since 5:00am. Rest assured I am not in any way trying to prove you wrong.

However, I disagree that the fact that this accessory is not functional underwater is irrelevant. My understanding is that one of the main selling points of this product is that it’s waterproof, therefore by implication that it’s useful if you lose something in water. Clearly it isn’t.

I will leave it at that. It’s Friday night and I really don’t want an argument. All the best!

The waterproof point is that it protects it from breaking if it falls in water, gets rained on, or splashed. Nobody would expect these things to function underwater, any more than they would expect their phones to take calls under water.
 
that looks like a nightmare to take apart just to replace the batteries.

it's 4 screws. should take 2 minutes at most and then just once a year. for security this look great but i bet it hurts the ability to hear the airtag AND makes it more likely someone who found your item will recognize it has an airtag to help return the item to you.
 
The waterproof point is that it protects it from breaking if it falls in water, gets rained on, or splashed. Nobody would expect these things to function underwater, any more than they would expect their phones to take calls under water.
Thank you for explaining to me what other people would (or would not) expect. I’m most grateful.
 
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it's 4 screws. should take 2 minutes at most and then just once a year. for security this look great but i bet it hurts the ability to hear the airtag AND makes it more likely someone who found your item will recognize it has an airtag to help return the item to you.
times 12 airtags every year. it's not worth my time just to make the $29 airtags scratch proof.
 
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I also ordered a 4-pack. And as long as my bike doesn’t look like my attaché case, which doesn’t look like my dog, which doesn’t look like my umbrella, I think it will be pretty easy to tell them apart.

You say you don’t want to “check what’s attached to them,” to which I say “what?!” How difficult is that? I mean, the point of these is that each is associated with an object you want to prevent from being lost. It’s the identify of the object that matters. Or are you planning to attach all four to four identical objects? (In that case, you can tell them apart by (1) telling the Find My App to make one of them beep or (2) go to Michael’s, get some different colored ribbon, and tie little bows on each.)

Your complaint may be the most bizarre thing I’ve read on here in a few weeks, at least.
Perhaps you like using Find My app to find your key. But I generally find them on the console table near the entrance. When all 4 key chains are on the table, one for me and 3 for other members of the family, I would like to be able to quickly tell them apart without checking the set of keys each one has.

I use Find My on on occasions when the key is NOT on the console table.

If that is bizarre, call me bizaro. But I don't think I am alone. I don't want to attach some stupid strings or stickers to tell them apart. The chain should be available in different colors or have transparent window to show AirTag engraving.
 
Perhaps you like using Find My app to find your key. But I generally find them on the console table near the entrance. When all 4 key chains are on the table, one for me and 3 for other members of the family, I would like to be able to quickly tell them apart without checking the set of keys each one has.

If that is bizarre, call me bizaro. But I don't think I am alone.

I am so confused. How do you tell your keys apart now? Can’t you just use the same technique?
 
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