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This is 100% wrong.

The concept of free speech is NOT limited to the legal protections provided to US Citizens by the US Constitution.

Freedom of speech is a principle that supports the freedom of an individual or a community to articulate their opinions and ideas without fear of retaliation, censorship, or legal sanction. The right to freedom of expression has been recognized as a human right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and international human rights law by the United Nations.

If Musk (or anyone else) complains that Apple should legally be required to advertise on Twitter, then that would, of course, be ridiculous. I don't see any evidence of that happening.
You're free to express your opinion. If I let you use my megaphone, I'm also free to take it back if I don't like what you're saying. Get over it.
 
I’m so glad I don’t use or depend on Twitter. It seems like a complete mess.
What social media app really isn't?
PS: Don't worry Be Real eventually will also.


Musk keeps on doing his best drunk uncle at the holidays impression.

You can have your platform and whatever rules about speech you want. Why is Apple or any other company required to advertise on it? That's not what free speech means at all, you bloviating pile of gas.

In today's world with so much hating going on or discussions of whatever topic trends, I doubt many people really understand what true free speech is. Too many feel the need to be recognized as important, they'll cry out like middle school children just to be noticed so they can 'feel' they matter/are important within themselves. Not too different than a mob attending capital punishment in the early days when it was a town spectacle.

Apple wants nothing to do with Twitter anymore. It's simple as that.

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Seemingly so. However, he's made a twit/tweet that there are some things that could be damaging to Apple.
What's going on overseas with protests and issues at Foxconn really isn't helping. It seems the same old factory worker complaints/issues haven't ever been resolved from several years ago and as an apple user and fan this is really disheartening. :(
 
You can’t change these people, there’s no point in trying. These people have always existed, and they will continue to exist. You just have to walk away from whatever place they are inhabiting to minimise their impact.

That's tricky when they're the same people making the laws impacting you, though
 
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Apple - as any sentient company - doesn’t „hate free speech“. It’s Twitter that is freeing hate speech.

That platform has been toxic for some time. Right now it’s pure acid. Any single trend that is shown to me gives me the creeps in the first three Tweets displayed.
If I was in charge of a billion dollar company, I wouldn’t want my ads to show up sandwiched between this kind of content.

There are limits to free speech.
No one has the right to scream „Fire“ in a crowded room when there is no flame.
And no one has the right to publicly harass another being because, you know ‚free speech‘.
My own freedom ends where the other person‘s begins. If we can’t agree on that, we’re not a society anymore but a pile of selfish egomaniacs.

Just a small point, but you CAN actually legally yell fire in a crowded theater. Of course the theater could ban you for this (as could any private business), but legally it is protected speech. I see this commonly repeated in discussions of free speech and it's wrong.
 
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That's tricky when they're the same people making the laws impacting you, though
Are you talking about democrats? I'm confused. They have been running congress and the White House for the past few years. So nobody is making laws but them.

Also please stop being cryptic and link to specific posts that you found troublesome in this thread.
 
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Newsflash: A very large proportion of people is not from the US and couldn't care less about their internal political circus...
Then why would they chime in? The person you're replying to is clearly talking about those who have been negative about Elon.
 
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You're free to express your opinion. If I let you use my megaphone, I'm also free to take it back if I don't like what you're saying. Get over it.

This is a strawman argument.

Point out where I said anything at all about a private person or business being required to allow another person or business freedom of speech on their platform. My comment was clearly about the difference between the concept of free speech vs. the legal protections of the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.
 
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Just a small point, but you CAN actually legally yell fire in a crowded theater. Of course the theater could ban you for this (as could any private business), but legally it is protected speech. I see this commonly repeated in discussions of free speech and it's wrong.
Right, you can say it and nobody is going to show up and arrest you for it. But as discussed, you're not free from consequence, including as you stated, the right for the theater to ban you to ensure the safety of their establishment and their other customers. It seems some folks around here would claim that such a ban is censorship. And additionally, if you yell fire in a crowded theater and I get injured from being trampled, I'm going to sue you for my medical bills as well as pain and suffering. And if someone should happen to die because of your actions be prepared to get hit with some form of manslaughter charge.
 
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This is a strawman argument.

Point out where I said anything at all about a private person or business being required to allow another person or business freedom of speech on their platform. My comment was clearly about the difference between the concept of free speech vs. the legal protections of the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.
Point being that someone taking their megaphone back from you is within the concept of free speech. Same as if Apple were to remove Twitter from the App Store. Free speech works both ways and if I don't want you using my platform, then that's me exercising my own free speech.
 
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Just a small point, but you CAN actually legally yell fire in a crowded theater. Of course the theater could ban you for this (as could any private business), but legally it is protected speech. I see this commonly repeated in discussions of free speech and it's wrong.
I suspect you can also be held liable for damages caused by your false assertion of impending doom, assuming there in fact isn't actually a fire breaking out in said theatre.

You're still free to yell fire in a crowded theatre, but if you do it and people are trampled as a result, in the good ol' US of Litigious America, you're going to loose your house.
 
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Free speech, free open market - Musk should stop whining about Apple and others. He made his billions off the same freedoms he's both complaining about and espousing simultaneously. Can't have it both ways - companies are not beholden to advertise period, let alone on any particular channel.
 
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Free speech, free open market - Musk should stop whining about Apple and others. He made his billions off the same freedoms he's both complaining about and espousing simultaneously. Can't have it both ways - companies are not beholden to advertise period, let alone on any particular channel.
Well said...
 
Point being that someone taking their megaphone back from you is within the concept of free speech. Same as if Apple were to remove Twitter from the App Store. Free speech works both ways and if I don't want you using my platform, then that's me exercising my own free speech.

This is actually not the same. Elon is criticizing Apple for apparently stopping their normal advertising on Twitter after his efforts to return free speech concepts to Twitter (again - not speaking legally about the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution at all here). If Apple does this it only affects Apple and Twitter. Apple is absolutely free to decide where to spend their money on advertising.

If Apple removes Twitter from its Appstore on the other hand, they are effectively going out of their way to silence Twitter and prevent others from easily accessing the service. Yes, obviously people can just go to Twitter in Safari, but I'm quite certain removing an app from the AppStore has extremely negative affects on that business. While this would likely be legal for Apple to do, it can, and should be severely criticized.
 
Apple strives to produce and support quality products. Musk's letting Trump and his cohort back on with the irrational and conspiracy support suggests Twitter will become a cesspool of unsupported, misleading ideas. Something the US and the world can do without.
 
I suspect you can also be held liable for damages caused by your false assertion of impending doom, assuming there in fact isn't actually a fire breaking out in said theatre.

You're still free to yell fire in a crowded theatre, but if you do it and people are trampled as a result, in the good ol' US of Litigious America, you're going to loose your house.

True - it would be a clearly ridiculous and irresponsible thing to do and any jury would likely find that person acted recklessly and is liable for injuries. The difference I was bringing up is it is legally considered protected / free speech to yell fire in a crowded theater. Civil lawsuits on the other hand are an entirely different situation.

I was probably being a bit pedantic by pointing it out in the first place, but "yelling fire in a crowded theater is not legally protected free speech" is something I always took for granted as correct until someone recently pointed out to me that the opposite is actually true.
 
Musk should stop whining about Apple and others.
He isn't whining. He is pointing out what they are doing since they are doing it for no real reason. Shining a light on a business being political is not whining. Around half the country thinks differently than the liberal cult, so it is good of him to let us know what the cult is up to.
 
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I wish Apple could just give the only reasonable answer: No, we love free speech, this is purely personal.
 
Right, you can say it and nobody is going to show up and arrest you for it. But as discussed, you're not free from consequence, including as you stated, the right for the theater to ban you to ensure the safety of their establishment and their other customers. It seems some folks around here would claim that such a ban is censorship. And additionally, if you yell fire in a crowded theater and I get injured from being trampled, I'm going to sue you for my medical bills as well as pain and suffering. And if someone should happen to die because of your actions be prepared to get hit with some form of manslaughter charge.
Your problem, it seems to me, is you assume there wasn't actually a fire.
 
I think it's pretty clear he is being vilified because he has stated that he will no longer vote Democrat. Now whether people in here want to admit it or not he clearly became their target due to the fact that he has openly said he isn't going to support that political party anymore.

This is absolutely correct.

Musk (buys a social media site where people can freely post almost anything): "A billionaire should NOT own the ability to shape political discourse!!!!!"

Bezos (buys a literal newspaper - the Washington Post): "<Crickets>"
 
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