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This is actually not the same. Elon is criticizing Apple for apparently stopping their normal advertising on Twitter after his efforts to return free speech concepts to Twitter (again - not speaking legally about the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution at all here). If Apple does this it only affects Apple and Twitter. Apple is absolutely free to decide where to spend their money on advertising.

If Apple removes Twitter from its Appstore on the other hand, they are effectively going out of their way to silence Twitter and prevent others from easily accessing the service. Yes, obviously people can just go to Twitter in Safari, but I'm quite certain removing an app from the AppStore has extremely negative affects on that business. While this would likely be legal for Apple to do, it can, and should be severely criticized.
Apple puts their own money into creating, hosting, and curating the iOS App Store. If they don't want Twitter using that investment, I have no problem with that. It's Apple's platform and megaphone and if they don't want to enable hate speech through that, good for them.
 
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It’s kinda hilarious TC hasn’t tweeted since thanksgiving

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Surely they should at least applaud Musk for scrubbing child exploitation from the platform and making that a top priority, given Apple was all about rolling out CSAM on the masses to “protect the children” … right?

Mums the word
 
Right, you can say it and nobody is going to show up and arrest you for it. But as discussed, you're not free from consequence, including as you stated, the right for the theater to ban you to ensure the safety of their establishment and their other customers. It seems some folks around here would claim that such a ban is censorship. And additionally, if you yell fire in a crowded theater and I get injured from being trampled, I'm going to sue you for my medical bills as well as pain and suffering. And if someone should happen to die because of your actions be prepared to get hit with some form of manslaughter charge.
Of course anyone can sue anyone for anything. I was responding to the frequently repeated misinformation that yelling fire in a crowded theater is an example of speech that is NOT legally protected by the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution.
 
This is absolutely correct.

Musk (buys a social media site where people can freely post almost anything): "A billionaire should NOT own the ability to shape political discourse!!!!!"

Bezos (buys a literal newspaper - the Washington Post): "<Crickets>"
I’m no Bezos fan but come on, the washington post has editorial independence, Bezos isnt sitting in the newsroom randomly firing people and printing his own tantrums as headlines
 
Your problem, it seems to me, is you assume there wasn't actually a fire.
Uhh yeah, that is the assumption. Otherwise, it's a useless mechanism to discuss and probe the concept of free speech. If you want to discuss a scenario involving an actual fire, ok. It's acceptable to tell everyone there's a fire if the theater is actually on fire. Anything to add to this utterly fascinating thought experiment you've come up with? :rolleyes:
 
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I have no doubt many people think this. People also used to think slavery was ok. There are always regressive people who end up on the wrong side of history. This is no different. Progress will be made with or without you, just like it was not all that long ago on the same-sex marriage issue.
Very true. People who encourage/support censorship usually encourage murdering people.
 
Reddit has a content moderation policy that they enforce. Doesn't mean stuff doesn't get through, but that's very different from "we're going to open Twitter up so that you can say almost anything, as long as it isn't violent." Reddit has notoriously banned many subreddits.

Reddit is an absolute crap show. Moderation is weak at best, they do do it, but usually when your comment doesn't agree with the vast majority. You will be down voted and they removed. Doesn't matter what sub you are in.
 
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Uhh yeah, that is the assumption. Otherwise, it's a useless mechanism to discuss and probe the concept of free speech. If you want to discuss a scenario involving an actual fire, ok. It's acceptable to tell everyone there's a fire if the theater is actually on fire. Anything to add to this utterly fascinating thought experiment you've come up with? :rolleyes:
No you've missed the point. The problem is that people like you will stand in a burning theater and as long as the theater owner tells you that there is no fire, you'll believe that. The theater owner will then ban the people who are yelling fire, and you will voluntarily help attack them on the theater's behalf, free of charge.
 
Reddit is an absolute crap show. Moderation is weak at best, they do do it, but usually when your comment doesn't agree with the vast majority. You will be down voted and they removed. Doesn't matter what sub you are in.
True. Say a man is a woman? Banned. Say white people are bad? 10000 upvotes. That’s Reddit for you
 
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Careful. When some of us here pointed that out yesterday, the liberal users started to call us pedophiles and say we would only know that cause we search it out.

I'm not joking.
What he says and what he does are 2 different things.
 
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I’m no Bezos fan but come on, the washington post has editorial independence, Bezos isnt sitting in the newsroom randomly firing people and printing his own tantrums as headlines
Not to mention I'm sure there are actually a lot of people out there who would rather Bezos not own Wapo.
 
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Apple puts their own money into creating, hosting and, curating the iOS App Store. If they don't want Twitter using that investment, I have no problem with that. It's Apple's platform and megaphone and if they don't want to enable hate speech through that, good for them.

Legally you are probably right. Hopefully in response Twitter would block all of Apple's accounts.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the "good for them." Apple has already hosted Twitter for years so to change that now that people are no longer being censored on Twitter for legally protected free speech would be a clearly politically motivated action. Afterall, Twitter has allowed a literal terrorist and spokesperson for the Taliban: Zabihullah Mujahid to spout "hate speech" since 2017 and Apple didn't seem to have any problem with that in the last five years...
 
Reddit is an absolute crap show. Moderation is weak at best, they do do it, but usually when your comment doesn't agree with the vast majority. You will be down voted and they removed. Doesn't matter what sub you are in.
Sounds like you have a problem with speech when doesn't agree with your own. Upvotes and downvotes are speech on Reddit.

As far as moderation goes, it's up to individual subreddits to create their own rules as long as they follow sitewide rules. And before you claim Reddit as a corporate entity silences right-wing voices, here's the Conservative subreddit.

 
No you've missed the point. The problem is that people like you will stand in a burning theater and as long as the theater owner tells you that there is no fire, you'll believe that. The theater owner will then ban the people who are yelling fire, and you will voluntarily help attack them on the theater's behalf, free of charge.
Riiight, I'll leave you to your fever dream...
 
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Legally you are probably right. Hopefully in response Twitter would block all of Apple's accounts.

We'll have to agree to disagree on the "good for them." Apple has already hosted Twitter for years so to change that now that people are no longer being censored on Twitter for legally protected free speech would be a clearly politically motivated action. Afterall, Twitter has allowed a literal terrorist and spokesperson for the Taliban: Zabihullah Mujahid to spout "hate speech" since 2017 and Apple didn't seem to have any problem with that in the last five years...
  1. I don't know that Apple cares about their Twitter accounts. That's the whole point of Elon throwing a tantrum, remember?
  2. Nothing on Twitter or in the App Store is "legally protected free speech". They're private platforms. The only thing your free speech is legally protected from in the US is the government interfering. Private companies and platforms have no legal obligation to grant you freedom of speech.
 
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Given that Apple made changes to airdrop to thwart Chinese protestors, I’m not sure why this would be a surprise. Think different indeed.
 
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Given that Apple made changes to airdrop to thwart Chinese protestors, I’m not sure why this would be a surprise. Think different indeed.

They need to start being quite introspective in my view from a “brand reputation” POV

Optically - that and now according to Musk ‘threatening to remove Twitter from App Store’ without explanation other than seemingly despising free speech / the power balance shifting (or if that’s a false statement that they didn’t do anything, say it instead of being silent which kinda confirms that is ostensibly is reality by omission) AND chaos ensuing at Foxconn and tangibly clogging up the supply chain on top of all the COVID stuff — it’s a perfect storm where things are at minimum looking a bit weirder than usual

Why exactly did Phil Schiller suspend his account? Are we just left to interpret his “statements” he wants to make by that too?

At minimum he’s disgruntled things are heating up



Apple makes great products it’s obvious they do. But otherwise I dunno if I have any more lavish praise to offer
 
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