Elon Musk Claims Apple Has 'Mostly Stopped' Offering Ads on Twitter and Is Making Moderation Demands

DMG35 said:
Dude, the Taliban is on Twitter so spare me the guidelines.
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While we both agree that the Taliban should not be on Twitter, you still are not understanding the guidelines. Apple's guidelines are that platforms on the App Store need to have a form of moderation. You're comparing Apples to Oranges. Again, I'm just explaining the guidelines, not saying what I think is morally right or wrong here.
 
dk001 said:
Why?
That lumps TC in with the others who want to control instead of allow.
Twitter is going to take some work - no instant fix like many seem to believe.

When you let corps control your speech, you have none.
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Not asking for an instant fix but the constant negativity and trolling from Twitter needs to be stopped. It's madly annoying. All this attention on Twitter will die soon anyways. People will get tired of it.
 
marco114 said:
Apple wants to promote its far leftist, pro gay agenda and doesn't like when someone calls them out on it. Previously, they enjoyed being promoted by liberal twitter engineers. If Apple isn't careful, they are going to end up in a major anti-tust, anti-competitive lawsuit if they block twitter. Elon has a lot of money, unlike Epic games to fight them.

Apple's stock dropped after Elon tweeted about this. This shows investors are not keen on Apple's actions.
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Musk has zero money.
His wealth is all based on BS and grossly over priced shares.
Not supporting a rabid right wing hell hole is not a reason for any anti-trust suit, twitter can simply make their web page accessible from mobile devices.

Yes, the world sees and laughs at the typical US claim that anything that they do not like is left wing communism.
And its not "pro gay" is just giving gay people the exact same rights you think you are entitled to.
 
The first businessman I have ever seen who actively runs away his advertisers. Doesn’t sound like a good business strategy to me!!
 
It's particularly sad how many people on this site have no idea what free speech means. Or even worse, that they are all pushing for hate speech under the guise of free speech. I am not very confident that we (human society in general) can rebound from this.
 
DMG35 said:
If Apple and Google did that it would be a massive mistake. They would have no real reason to do it except that they disagree with Musk's decisions. You can't start a practice of banning apps just because you don't like the creator. I'm not a fan of Musk but would very much disagree with Apple and Google if they did that.
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Why do you think private companies are required to host someone else hate speech?
 
AgentOSX said:
It does not have to be Left or Right explicitly. All one has to do is read the comments. It is the Left who is freaking out that they cannot control what is said.

Twitter spend two years "banning for life" people who vulgarly criticized Biden, but people who vulgarly criticized Trump had no repercussion, with or without Blue Checks. Twitter also "banned for life" people who posted COVID info that ended up being proven true months/years later. Twitter interfered with election information regularly with explicitly partisan reasons and biases. Twitter showed they cannot be trusted to be a gatekeeper. People cheering for it are the ones who are wrong, as they have lost the difference between partisanship and principle.
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Read which comments? Can you please be more specific? It would also help if you are specific regarding "Left who is freaking out that they cannot control what is said".

Being banned for starting an insurrection is different than being banned for criticizing someone. The whataboutism tactics are a race to the bottom and aren't good for anyone. One can admit Trump should have been banned from Twitter for inciting an insurrection, while also agreeing that there are others that should have also been banned for criticizing someone. Life is not black and white.
 
anthogag said:
This is why Musk bought Twitter, so he can constantly be in the news. I am tired of Musk. "Free speech" does not mean free to spread lies and misinformation and hate.
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The problem is that it does, BUT it does NOT mean you don't have to suffer repercussions of doing so. Thats the issue. People think they can saw whatever they want and NOT have it come back to bite them in the ass. Thats not how it works.
 
gank41 said:
This is just a weird thing for the owner & CEO of the company to say about their product:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597300125243944961

Either he seriously just doesn't understand why? Like, he's just not knowledgable about all of this?
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Why is it incumbent on Elon to explain Apple's position? Why does Apple cower without telling him explicitly? Elon is the accused, presumably for violating AppStore TOS in regards to hate speech, right? Why can't Apple make the accusation, if it's so clear? Guilty until proven innocent?
 
marco114 said:
Apple's stock dropped after Elon tweeted about this. This shows investors are not keen on Apple's actions.
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Yeah, haha, that's it. People are really worried that Apple isn't buying ad space on a tiny social media space. Wake up, dude. Twitter is not at all significant compared to the other players in the space.
 
If you talk **** about Elon on Twitter, you get banned. Talk **** about Tesla on Twitter, get banned. Talk **** about SpaceX on Twitter, get banned.

Elon's version of free speech isn't very "free."
 
Its crazy that to see more than a few people to think Apple threats Elon to pull Twitter app out of the App Store... That's crazy, you all agree with that should live in China or Russia :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
TheYayAreaLiving 🎗 said:
Not asking for an instant fix but the constant negativity and trolling from Twitter needs to be stopped. It's madly annoying. All this attention on Twitter will die soon anyways. People will get tired of it.
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THAT is the big problem: perception.
It is a small portion of Twitter that this is occurring in yet it is getting the majority of the media attention.
Why? Clicks.
There is all kinds of things on Twitter that have nada to do with this.
 
I was all for Apple in the Epic v Apple saga.

But IF it’s true (that’s a big if) that Apple is threatening Twitters placement in the app store simple because ‘we don’t like you’ then that is wrong and a blatant abuse of power.
 
thestickman said:
Apple is under no requirement to advertise on Twitter.

If you are against free speech, why not just move to China & live where no one has the right to free speech where "misinformation" decisions are always made for you & original or different thoughts are best not uttered allowed unless you want to find yourself unable to enter your government controlled apartment?

I LOVE Twitter today over Twitter before Musk took it over. I can say "There are only 2 genders!" on Twitter today without fear of having my account deleted. I can talk about the deadly, imo, vaccines without worrying my account will be gone in a moment. Today I can disagree openly with mainstream media narratives without loosing my Twitter account.

I wish Elon Musk luck & hope he ENDS censorship on all social media platforms through his excellent work protecting & promoting free speech on Twitter.

I never imagined a company who used to proclaim, "Think Different!" would become anti-Free speech & pro-censorship as Apple appears to be today. Sad.
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You seem to forget the golden rule freedom of speech doesn't mean being free of consequences. Also, only the government is not allowed to restrict your speech, private individuals and companies can restrict speech all they want when you're on their property.
 
mansplains said:
Why is it incumbent on Elon to explain Apple's position? Why does Apple cower without telling him explicitly? Elon is the accused, presumably for violating AppStore TOS in regards to hate speech, right? Why can't Apple make the accusation, if it's so clear? Guilty until proven innocent?
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This is all business between Apple & Elon. When a Developer has an App Submission rejected or even gets their account banned, there's email correspondence from Apple letting said person know/understand why, even if it's in Apple's vague 'business speak'. It's in Elon's better interest to ignore that part of it and bang the "Hey! Screw Apple!" drum loudly, getting the lemmings to follow along. Can't wait to see how the Facebook phone- er, Twitter phone works out...
 
spazzcat said:
Why do you think private companies are required to host someone else hate speech?
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I didn't say they were required. But you are taking a very simplistic view of it. Apple and Google are far from being benevolent companies that do no wrong. Yes they want to give that perception, but they consistently do business with companies that have constantly committed human rights violations. And to that point, they didn't mind that groups like the Taliban, who are some of the worst people in the world, are on the platform.

Apple and Google would essentially be saying "There is more hate speech on Twitter so we are banning it." Are they going to start vetting people and prohibiting racists and scum bags from buying their iPhones? Of course they wouldn't do that because it would affect their bottom line. I say all of this as a huge Apple fan, but there is some major hypocrisy going on here.
 
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