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So I just bought a 2018 touchbar model this weekend. Think it’s worth returning for the one updated today? The 4 ports isn’t a huge deal breaker for me btw
 
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$200 cheaper. From 1,299 -> 1,099. 999 if you’re a qualifying student.
Nope, $100 cheaper:
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Apple just stated they modified the keyboard with a new material so you literally have no clue about its future performance.
They also stated it was covered by the 4 year replacement program. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Ive is out, the CAT is out of the bag.

SSD prices are still high, needs to be adjusted, gotta start at 256GB.

Only two thunderbolt ports? this is weird ... do not think $1999 will sell well.
What does Ive have to do with any of this?

And the lower end 13” MBP always only had two TB3 ports. Also, it’s $1,299 not $1,999.
 
Or, just maybe, your perception of how people use the Touch Bar doesn't quite match up with reality.

Perhaps it doesn't, but I've watched quite a few people use MBP's with TB's and they never use the touchbar. Just like no one uses 3D Touch. Do people use TouchID...yes. Anything else...never see it other than your typical volume/brightness adjustment.

The fact that no one even mentions TB in a positive/upsell tone is a massive alarm. It's one of those things that was probably worth a try but the adaptation is poor.

When you look at the adaption of a soft keyboard, airpods, or TouchID (all huge, massive wins) compared to 3D Touch or TouchBar it's night and day.
 
They have to be looking at the metrics and seeing no one uses it for anything other than the standard fn keys.
I'm pretty sure more people use the TouchBar to 'access' the 'media keys' (screen/keyboard brightness, play/stop/skip back/forward, volume up/down) than for standard fn key purposes.
 
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What does Ive have to do with any of this?

And the lower end 13” MBP always only had two TB3 ports. Also, it’s $1,299 not $1,999.
wait and see the key board changes

touch bar and everything but two thunderbolt ports so that is weird, they made another logic board to have just two thunderbolt port (or just removed the connectivity for the two more ports)

it just lower frequency quad core CPUs (may be 15W CPU compared to 35W CPU on the higher end model)
 
I recently got a tricked out 2019 5K iMac which is a beast and won't be upgrading my MBP until the ARM version comes out. My MBP is less critical for my work and would be a great bridge device for the transition period.
 
The base MBP was the last laptop in Apples lineup without PWM.

If they managed to keep PWM off this new revision, I will order it today!

Otherwise... I’m completely boxed out. :/
 
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Almost all my customers that have actually used the Touch Bar end up loving it. Its like Google Assistant. I thought it was useless until I actually started learning to use it.
the reason it did not make to other MacBook/MacBook Air, that is where most of us concluded touch bar is not really that useful.

MacBook Air probably the best selling laptop from apple for few years now, if I am not wrong.
 
I do! I just wish there was a real escape button, but the only reason I miss that is because of gaming, I often miss the virtual one.

This is the general problems with the Touch Bar, people often miss the virtual buttons when they are accustomed to touch typing or typing without looking at the keyboard. But it makes for good press and good wow factor and is the legacy of good ol Ive form over function strategy.
 
“People”... When are MacRumors users going to realize that the echo chamber on this forum isn’t necessarily what mainstream Apple customers think?

The TouchBar is a great idea whose potential hasn’t been entirely realized. Now that every MacBookPro has it and it’s been added to every other Mac through Sidecar on Catalina, I can see developers taking deeper advantage of the TouchBar.

i hate it and wont buy a MacBook PRO with it. Need haptic buttons!
 
Adding the Touch Bar system (with T2 and Touch ID) seems like a good value. Also wanted to mention that this is the least expensive MacBook Pro ever released at $1,299USD in 2019. The closest is the 13.3-inch June 2012 release, which was $1,199 at the time but adjusted for inflation is ~$1,335.
 
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Almost tempting but I’m betting it still has that faulty butterfly keyboard. Not today, Satan.


Agreed.

It's got potential but not with that keyboard.


It would also be great to see some real tech specs too, but I guess we'll have to wait until it's released. Hopefully it's not gimped wifi like the nTB and Air.
 
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This how it shoulda been in the first please , Tim Cook needs to stop making cheaper iPhones and macs , jobs woulda never done it
 
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Do you think Apple will release someday a keyboard with Touch Bar?

It actually has to. To get full support from app developers. Maybe one day they will add haptic feedback to the Touch Bar, so it’ll be more usable to those who got used to real keys.
 
Wouldnt want the touchbar to be standard for all macbook pro line up.Anyway, its gonna be a long time since i buy another macbook pro, so hopefully something will change.
 
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