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No extra room in this echo chamber? Having budget and appreciating value are not really the same thing. IF the App Store mark up is decreased by any % as a result of this spat it will be good for me as a consumer. That is all. I am not on team apple or team Samsung or team Epic. I am on team me/regular everyday consumer. If we can have a great device AND purchase apps for somewhat less then hurray for us. Tim Apple is doing fine, he won’t even feel it lol. Cheers.

If it's decreased in any way, you as a consumer will probably never see it. Sure, some companies may make a big deal about lowering the prices for a few months, but they'll raise them again soon enough. If a price of x dollars maximizes 70% of the revenue it maximizes all of the revenue. Companies exist to make money, not to be charities. If they're not maximizing their revenue and profits, they're not doing their job and shareholders have a legitimate grievance. Look at this situation from that perspective and you'll see what both sides of the case have at stake.
 
People who buy iPhones have more money. And they have no problem spending it on nonessential things (otherwise they would buy ****** Android devices that get the job done). It's really simple.

People on iOS spend more on real-world goods too. As you know, Apple doesn't control these payments, so trust certainly plays no role there, everything goes through the same PSPs on all platforms. But again, because people on iOS are generally well-off, they don't mind paying a bit more for everything, including online groceries, more expensive products on Amazon, Hello Fresh subscriptions etc.
Im pretty sure that the top of the range Google and Samsung phones are the same price as apple iPhones, so I cant see how how only well off people buy iPhones. there has has to be a bigger reason for people with a $1000 iPhone spend more on apps that someone with a $1000 galaxy or Pixel Phone
 
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People supporting Apple persistantly quote the stores for the consoles run by Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo as some kind of justification for what Apple is doing with it's store but yet I have not heard of anyone complaining about about the console stores to the same level that customers have been complaining about Apples app store and the console stores have far bigger software companies than Epic using them.

Surely if the console stores were applying the same kind of price structure as Apple does for it's store, the tech media world would be inundated with articles of companies complaining about Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo but the fact is we don't. All we here about is what Apple is doing so therefore is it a case that those 3 companies are doing something right with regards to it's users and business customer whereas Apple is not and thus Apple fans are looking to find excuses where there is none?

Thats because this particular legal battle is stupid. Fortnite is clearly and obviously not facing a monopoly situation. The proof of this is that they are able to stop supporting Apple and Google devices and are able to still exisit on multiple systems. And Epic's argument that consoles are different that phones is weak. It's just a stupid case.

Maybe you can structure a case for App Stores in general but I'm not so sure about that.
 
What gets me is Apple is getting ALL the bad press from EPIC, but yet Fortnite is still blocked on the Google Play Store as well but it is not mentioned at all. Yes you can play it on an Android device IF you use a 3rd party app store.
 
Apple:

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At the start of Epic’s tantrum, I said:


‪Now would be a good day for #PUBG to get promoted on the AppStore. 😏‬

‪EpicGames ambushed Apple with malicious intent. It was a clear setup to sue them. They had a 60 page lawsuit ready even before Apple took them down. This has nothing to do with customers. They want to keep that money, not pass it on to customers. ‬
 
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Apple will loose this fight in the long term, why? It is not only Epic, but the governments are concerned in the meantime - "The kind of common theme is the abuse of their market power to maintain their market dominance, to crush competitors, to exclude folks from their platform and to earn monopoly rents."
https://www.macrumors.com/2020/08/26/antitrust-investigation-apple-disturbing-behavior/

And Apple doesn‘t stop acting like it is standing above the law - don‘t understand why Apple doesn‘t act in a smart kind of way, so it can keep the control of the AppStore also in the long term.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/8/28/21405140/apple-rejects-facebook-update-30-percent-cut

Not allowed to tell anyone that Apple takes 30% - so no freedom of speech as along as Apple is in control?

No one has reached your first conclusion, only investigating whether it's true. Apple believes it is in compliance with the law and will have a chance to argue it in court if this case goes to trial. It's likely however it's decided it will be appealed to the highest levels, so this will take years to play out.

Please stop making "freedom" a bad word. Apple isn't trampling on anyone's civil rights. Walk into Walmart or any other business with a sign advertising a competitor or denouncing their business practices and see how quickly you're ushered out. App developers are free to make any statements they want on their websites or in the media, including offering subscriptions and purchases that can be used in their apps. They just can use the App Store to advertise these services. Would you feel any differently if you were running your business? How would you feel if the government ordered you to allow competing services to be advertised on your store front?
 
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The only fact here is that these statements are all made up by you and certainly not facts. I don't know anyone who "loves" the app store. People use it because it is there. People want to install their stuff, they don't care about security, payment methods, developer fees etc. There's no emotional connection at all.

This is just not true. Maybe you don't care about security or payment methods, but every iPhone and Mac user I know (and that's a lot) does.
 
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People who buy iPhones have more money. And they have no problem spending it on nonessential things (otherwise they would buy ****** Android devices that get the job done). It's really simple.

People on iOS spend more on real-world goods too. As you know, Apple doesn't control these payments, so trust certainly plays no role there, everything goes through the same PSPs on all platforms. But again, because people on iOS are generally well-off, they don't mind paying a bit more for everything, including online groceries, more expensive products on Amazon, Hello Fresh subscriptions etc.
What an out of touch with reality post.
 
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What gets me is Apple is getting ALL the bad press from EPIC, but yet Fortnite is still blocked on the Google Play Store as well but it is not mentioned at all. Yes you can play it on an Android device IF you use a 3rd party app store.

Epic hasn't exactly been playing this in a smart way. I think they're trying to win public opinion rather than a legal battle.
 
Im pretty sure that the top of the range Google and Samsung phones are the same price as apple iPhones, so I cant see how how only well off people buy iPhones. there has has to be a bigger reason for people with a $1000 iPhone spend more on apps that someone with a $1000 galaxy or Pixel Phone
It wouldn't be *gasp* the easy use of IAP or the security of the apps, would it ?
The pass the savings on to customer is even more ridiculous as the marginal cost of a "v-buck" is 0.

Not to mention their "reduced price" though their own payment processor was still not close to giving customers back that 30% so wrongfully taken from the Evil Apple
 
The only fact here is that these statements are all made up by you and certainly not facts. I don't know anyone who "loves" the app store. People use it because it is there. People want to install their stuff, they don't care about security, payment methods, developer fees etc. There's no emotional connection at all.
“Love” is a euphemism. I like the App Store because of the app discovery and I can (more or less) trust the apps. That apple handles my payments in a safe and secure way.
Non sequitur. But it's kind of fun to use twisted logic, so let me turn this around: the fact that iOS is constantly losing market share is because people are more and more fed up with the App Store, right?
No Apple doesn’t and has never cared about market share. That’s an android discussion.
 
No one has reached your first conclusion, only investigating whether it's true. Apple believes it is in compliance with the law and will have a chance to argue it in court if this case goes to trial. It's likely however it's decided it will be appealed to the highest levels, so this will take years to play out.

Please stop making "freedom" a bad word. Apple isn't trampling on anyone's civil rights. Walk into Walmart or any other business with a sign advertising a competitor or denouncing their business practices and see how quickly you're ushered out. App developers are free to make any statements they want on their websites or in the media, including offering subscriptions and purchases that can be used in their apps. They just can use the App Store to advertise these services. Would you feel any differently if you were running your business? How would you feel if the government ordered you to allow competing services to be advertised on your store front?
Don’t know what you are referring to. The first statement was the statement of an anti trust commission and has nothing to do with Epic - and the antritrust commission doesn‘t care about when the Epic case is going to court.

Regarding the second „freedom of speech“ - yes you may be right the way you represent your opinion. I‘m seeing it the way that I have to see the amount of tax I‘m paying when I‘m buying something. Would‘t you be furious if you make a donation of $100 to let’s say „save the children“ and later you know That Apple took 30% of your donation.


All of you guys continue to argue the same way - Apple is not a monopolist and is allowed to do whatever it wants to do. My opinion is that Apple is a monopolist- the same way anti trust commissions are seeing it - and therefor is NOT allowed to do whatever it wants do. Simple as that - Apple has already lost and I guess even Tim Cook knows this, but he wants to continue as long as possible.
 
I don’t understand why companies aren’t just selling digital gift cards to avoid Apple’s 30%. Scenario: Epic opens a shop that allows you to buy shirts and other physical merchandise, as well as in game currency. Epic sells gift cards to said store in app. Gift card can be applied to in game currency, using Epic’s payment processing, bypassing Apple and remaining in compliance. Apple can’t take cut out stop the process without doing the same to its own iTunes/Apple store cards and Amazon gift cards (which work on digital content as well without giving Apple a cut.)

Problem solved and they can use that as evidence that consumers are willing to go about getting in-game currency a much harder way because customers don’t want Apple to have their (fair) share.

They can easily do that, but people want convenience, right there and in the spot.
 
Fortnite threw a tantrum like a little kid who didn't get what they wanted, seriously, this is not even about fighting for their gaming community. That being said, it's their game so they can do what they want with it. Likewise Apple can do what they want with their App store because, after all, it is theirs. When you use their platform you agree to their terms of use, there are no surprises there. Has anyone looked at Epic's EULA? It's insane!
 
Big baby’s they knew the terms they agreed to. Not to mention it’s not uncommon to keep a cut even 15-30% so not sure why they are only complaining about Apple look at anazon, google and so on same fees
 
Hey MacRumours, do you offer a news feed without Epic stuff or any of the mostly very stupid daily #gates?

Just Apple product news and rumours, please?

However, sadly I need to contribute:

The reason why there is no new Fortnite season on Apple devices is simply because Epic, lead by their multi-billionaire CEO, knowingly broke the AppStore rules in order to cause exactly all this that is now happening.

(Whether AppStore rules should be changed and how is a different matter. )
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if 1 in 5 Fortnite players decided to switch platforms over this, Apple would notice it in sales numbers. It will be interesting to see if it puts pressure on them at some point.
Folks on mobile devices are far more interested in having blue bubbles when texting. ;) If they switch, it will be to buy another device to play it on while keeping those sweet blue bubbles!
I think if Apple chooses to take a hard line stand against the consumers and the developers that we will see a huge migration of both away from Apple slowly over time. At this moment iOS and ‘IPadOS’ have an advantage in the market place because they have the largest App Store.
But, this isn’t a new “hard line stand”. This is how the store has been working all the while. And still, with this incredibly restrictive store setup (plus the high dollar hardware required to access it), the marketshare (of the hardware, in the US) continues to increase. If we were going to see a migration, it would have happened before now. Now, if Apple raises the prices of their hardware more AND increases the cut to, say, 50%, then we MIGHT see a migration of consumers and developers. But, as the juggernaut that currently exists was built with this strategy in place, I don’t see how “continuing to do exactly the same as they always have” would lead to a migration away from Apple.
 
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It's brand new console season.
I have a feeling Epic is doing their best making sure kids want PS4/PS5 or Xbonez for Christmas not new iPhone.
They are right on time.
Not sure if this has real monetary value for epic but will defo hurt apple in more ways that they think.
 
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