They directed people to Nintendo, Android, x-Box...so much for the Monopoly argument Epic idiots...
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Epic Games Sends Emails to Fortnite Players Blaming Apple for New Season's Unavailability
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A free McDonalds next door to in-n-out will still cause in-n-out some pain
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Epic believe these guys deserve their 30% because their hardware makes less profit
That's like saying you want to give up your freedom and live in jail where you think it's safer but in reality jail isn't always safer.
Does this count as false advertising? Cuz Epic is straight-up lying to their customers at this point.
Nah it's more like saying you don't want your phone open to hackers and government agencies and scammers and basically anyone who wants to get in there and do some damage or surveillance.
it's already open to government agencies. iCloud backups are not end-to-end encrypted. Apple has the key and needs to provide it if requested by authorities. If a foreign country asks for your iCloud backup data...say China, we know Apple has not much leverage to deny it. Indeed, they regularly provide to the government the backups from their Chinese costumers, the rest is a mistery. Very similar situation in Russia.
We like to think that the situation is different in the west, and that our walled garden is safe and private here, but we have no way to know for sure.
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Why not explain to the OP the benefit to them if their iPhone featured multiple app stores on their phone, side loading or multiple payment methods
That’s an odd, irrational POV for a company to take. If that’s true this is more mob/Trump style shakedown of a successful company than principled stand. Why would hardware margin be Epic’s concern?
In my opinion, both.
That I agree. But I would say in this particular incident/lawsuit, Epic is more hypocritical than Apple when they are holding double standards to the "30% rule" across different platforms, including consoles, yet claiming themselves to the savior of all.
Something has to be changed regarding the 30% take on iOS, Android, or any of the platforms including consoles and more.
Perhaps I've missed something. Which commission has ruled Apple is in violation of antitrust laws? I've only heard of investigations which mean very little by themselves.
As for the donations, no, if I chose to go through that platform I'd know what I'm getting into. If anything, Apple is much more transparent than most are about their fees. I don't know what happens if I make a donation at say the local grocery store, do you? I do know that agencies like even the United Way take a cut of the donations before passing them on to the charities they fund. Everyone has costs, and everyone has a business purpose. It'd be foolish to assume that a donation through a business wouldn't incur some kind of fee. Donate direct to the charity if you wish for them to receive all the funds.
Even if I disagreed with Apple regarding their handling of the store, I'd feel a strong need to defend it. They're not the only game in town, so I can walk away. They're not critical to society; if they disappeared tomorrow, no one's life or safety would be sacrificed, as it might if say a local power company stopped providing service. I could buy any number of different phones to stay in touch with the world or play games. There's just no way in good conscience I can justify the government stepping in and taking control of the product they've built from scratch from them.
I don't understand all the people crying "freedom" when they want to take it away from everyone else.
It'd be hard to make the case in court, I think. It's a half truth at best. Apple did ban them from the App store, but they share the responsibility by violating the terms of service. It's sleazy and speaks of their character in my opinion, but probably isn't illegal.
With regards to hardware margin Tim Sweeny said himself “Consoles are a special case because the hardware is sold at a loss compared to the cost of production and the software sales are used to fund them, while iOS and Android are far too profitable for Apple and Google, even only counting sales of hardware, and advertising.”.
So its ok to charge 30% as long as you dont make a profit on your hardware, I guess he see's it as double dipping, I see it as punishing Apple and Google for making profitable hardware
How long was Fortnite on the App Store before Epic decided to violate Apple's rules and introduce their own payment system?
A couple years... right?
It's funny how they had no problem back then.... but now they're crusading against the Apple Monopoly...
A couple years... right?
It's funny how they had no problem back then.... but now they're crusading against the Apple Monopoly...
The 30% of the console market is used to pay research and development in order to allow selling consoles at cost or for very little profits.
It's not something that one can simply compare with the smartphone market, as the market dynamics are completely different. Furthermore, in the console market, many games are partially or fully funded by the console makers, in what is more similar to a real partnership.
One can like it or not. I don't love it. Indeed I have no consoles. But I can see the difference, in terms of business models.
Apple App Store isn't faultless. For example, if I only care for AAA game and not millions of crapplets I could limit my exposure by downloading direct from Epic vs opening myself up with Apple App Store that recently hosted over 1200 malware apps.
https://snyk.io/blog/sourmint-malicious-code-ad-fraud-and-data-leak-in-ios/
My kids and their friends play it on iPhone XR’s which run it decently well.
It’s surprising how buggy games on handheld consoles like the Switch can be vs. iPhone and iPad versions. For example I hear a lot of complaints about ridiculous bugs on Minecraft for Switch.
Kids are on the go even during this pandemic and don’t like to sit in one place. They tend to use big gaming systems when friends are actually visiting. But there’s a certain convenience to having a game you can play on your phone that is always with you no matter where you are. Plus the display is much better on a phone than on Switch.
It's not for epic to choose who pays who is entitled to the 30% based on their views on what's fair. If Sony and Microsoft offer the same service apple they are in their right to charge the same fee
Apple is now pushing PUBGMOBILE on AppStore as a replacement even though the game is also built using Epic Game's Unreal Engin
Is this what makes you feel special, important and superior to other mere mortals? You can "afford" it, so you choose Apple? The dirty-unwashed and "poor" people can never have iOS? Pure conjecture on your part. I would hazard a guess that a huge [50%+?] number of folks don't even pay for their Apple devices directly, relying on the bank of mum and dad, given the number of teenagers who clearly dont earn a living wandering around with their iPhones, Beats this and that.
Here is a made up thought to match yours. More people, who cannot afford it, waste their money on Apple devices than waste it on Android. See...silly eh?
They stopped "caring" about it when it started to fall in all categories, until then, every keynote started with how mighty sales were, how big market share was.
Hi ani4ani,
I don't think 123 meant that iOS users are superior... I might be wrong but I suspect your are misunderstanding what he wanted to say.
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Haha, it's a statistics you can find everywhere. If that's "out of touch" for you then I would recommend getting in touch with the world outside your bubble.