It is not Whataboutism. YOU can't prove that the iPhone would be a bad (or worse) experience without Apple's restrictive App Store policies. In fact, I argued that the mac has proven otherwise. You can still use the Mac App Store if you think it is such a superior offering.
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Epic Games Sought Side Deal for Fortnite Prior to Lawsuit, Apple Says in Court Filing [Updated]
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It is not Whataboutism. YOU can't prove that the iPhone would be a bad (or worse) experience without Apple's restrictive App Store policies. In fact, I argued that the mac has proven otherwise. You can still use the Mac App Store if you think it is such a superior offering.
It's definitely popcorn time on this. I agree with some things on both sides. It's literally getting petty and personal now.
I have used some apps that weren't being updated for quite a long time. Possible long enough for Epic to fight it out in court.
Any developer that Apple has renegotiated the 30% to a lower value is giving something else of value to Apple.
Doesn't surprise me that Epic lied, they used to be such a beacon of gaming now it's all about the money above all else, nothing else matters at all, nothing not morals, not good game design just what is the best way to make as much money as possible.
You may say but they're a business of course they want money. And yes that's true but there is a cultural and artistic component to creating things be it furniture, music or computer games and while they once focused on making great games first and having the money follow they now chase the money and the games are merely a vehicle to get there.
I still think Apples 30% cut is high and that it should scale with the revenue generated by the app like taxes do in real life. But in this specific case I hope epic get what's coming to them for being deceitful and fleecing young people out of their money for vbucks.
You may say but they're a business of course they want money. And yes that's true but there is a cultural and artistic component to creating things be it furniture, music or computer games and while they once focused on making great games first and having the money follow they now chase the money and the games are merely a vehicle to get there.
I still think Apples 30% cut is high and that it should scale with the revenue generated by the app like taxes do in real life. But in this specific case I hope epic get what's coming to them for being deceitful and fleecing young people out of their money for vbucks.
The mac does not have an incredible user experience when it comes to onboarding apps and security. it may be better than windows but it’s nowhere the friction free environment of iOS. The whole adobe flash thing and it’s legion of security flaws should give you good enough reason why a device like a phone that is used in emergencies should be as secure as can be.How is it whataboutism? I think it is a valid counterargument to anyone who says the iPhone experience would be bad without Apple's App Store policies. The Mac has existed without the Mac App Store for a long time and in my mind is an incredible user experience when it comes to applications (if anything, arguably better than the iPhone).
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They terrorise their parents until they get one. Potatoe potato
You asked who will feel the pain first. Epic will lose all revenue from the App Store starting in a week.
No, Apple only terminates developer accounts if they act maliciously/intentionally breaking rules e.g. Facebook.
Also, from Apple's court filing: "Developers who work to deceive Apple, as Epic has done here, are terminated."
I disagree. I like the mac experience infinitely better, which allows me to get software in the way I like. I can choose to use Steam for gaming apps, I can download software directly. I can download software on the Mac that is not possible to get on the iPhone. So much for "friction free"
I don't know what you mean with flash, since it is essentially deprecated on desktops as well.
Why? Because Epic wanted a special deal like Amazon? If Epic could ask for a special deal, so could "all developers".
Why is that?
No, Epic asked for a side letter. No one else would have known about it, so there wouldn’t have been any floodgates opened.
Only if Apple pulls the killswitch on installed Fortnite apps (which is nowhere confirmed if I recall correctly).
Yes the friction free 30% commissions with iOS, iPadOS.
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iOS has some friction.
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Nothing is wrong with that. Apple would have and should have asked for something in return to compensate for the lost percentage.
And why is that? Epic does not want to use Apple's payment services and in return does not want to pay 30% in charges. You should not have to pay for not using a service.
You appear to not know the history of the App Store, the development made thanks to that 30% investment and how Epic is a result of it.
We all agree to the EULA when we purchased the device. Developers also agreed to the licensing agreement to use Apple's tools. There is no monopoly as if you want an Epic game you can switch to Android or another platform. Platforms that highly outpace iOS.
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And I'm sure Apple tries to make deals to have oompa loompas make their products for free. Not wasting any sympathy on the shop-lifting argument.
How so? Do you fear apple will go bankrupt unless they maintain their 30% cut?
Seriously, care to ellaborate?
And? Why wouldn’t they ask for that? Apple has given special deals to plenty of other companies.
No, it's not. A 30% commission is very reasonable.