I don't disagree. But this won't solve the fundamental problem. Let's say that Apple reduces the tax to 10%. But how would that prevent a company like Epic from claiming that it's still too much? As long as they can spin a convincing story (having million of underage customers who are easily manipulated helps), the actual tax amount doesn't matter much.
Well they used the words “transaction fee” which could mean the credit card processing. Honestly I think Apple should separate credit card processing/refunds from app review, App Store maintenance, rent seeking. And for those that choose to use their own payment system they don’t pay for that component.There are blatant mistruths on the App Fairness front page. For example, "For most purchases made within the App Store, Apple takes 30% of the purchase price. No other transaction fee — in any industry — comes close."
Let's list other companies that charge a similar fee for similar overhead: Google, Steam, Amazon, UberEats, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo, GrubHub, eBay+PayPal, and the list goes on, I am sure.
Another example, "If consumers want to use a modern mobile device, Apple levies a tax that no one can avoid. No competition, no options, no recourse."
Unless the Apple tax now extends to the billions of Android phones out there, this is ridiculous on its face. While I content that Apple and it's ecosystem are superior (in large part due to the App Store and it's walled garden), to say that Android-based phones are not a modern mobile device and that Apple has no competition is being willfully ignorant, at best.
I’m sorry but this is a really lazy argument. So anyone that has an issue with a big tech company should make their own phone, start their own social media network, their own search engine? And big tech companies can never be in the wrong? Absurd.Maybe these companies that founded this self-serving coalition ought to invent their own phone and own ecosystem? If they don't like the T&C let leave and lose those lucrative $$$.
AT&T, Verizon and T-mobile should start asking Apple for 30% of their revenue, you would be OK with that right? I mean, they build it and Apple is leeching of them.
Hahahahaha. So funny. Can't wait for Apple to crush these morons and put them out of business.
Well, not Spotify for sure, it's still the one leading the streaming music race. Not that Apple would mind ousting the competition from its platform, but I'm sure the users would mind plenty.
They’re free to pull their apps 🤷♂️If all major apps go into the coalition and pull theirs, you think it's go well for Apple?
That's one bitter, miserable bunch of people. I bet their parties are *such* fun!
Free market also applies. It isn’t a tax it’s a mark-up. If you don’t want to pay it, don’t sell in the market. However there’s definitely a monopoly discussion to be had, this isn’t an easy one, but the upper hand is firmly with Apple.
Amusing how Apple is lauded for thinking different and not doing what everyone else does yet when this discussion comes up the first thing apologists say is well everyone else charges 30%. And what consumers pay for devices never seems to come up in the discussion. An iPhone 11 Pro starts at $999. Are we really to believe that NONE of the retail price of an iPhone goes towards supporting the App Store? Seriously?I think that the 30% tax is their biggest issue. I have always thought it was too much. Surely at even 15%-20% Apple would still make a ton of money.
Wouldn't it be fully within Apple's rights to completely shut down the app store and just create and publish any apps their customers might need?
Well that’s what Netflix pays Apple. And Facebook, Instagram and any other app that doesn’t have to use IAP. Why should Netflix not have to use Apple’s IAP by Epic does?Hypocritical to say the least. Should be free. That’s what they think they should pay Apple
Excellent. Now I have a handy list of companies not to spend my money on
Exactly, Youtube do this, £15 premium via in app and if you spay via their website it’s £11. You get a choice and they follow rules they agreed to.Dear coalition, YOU set the sale price, Apple takes 30% of that. If you want more money, RAISE the price of your app!
Exactly, Apple has spent BILLIONS and many years developing and producing an Eco system that is safe, secure and comprehensive. Should they NOT be paid for their work? If you don't like it, there is another eco system down the street to go play on (Android, or Windows mobile). Or better yet, spend the time and money and build your own eco system, then you can do anything you want on it.
For this, I will NEVER buy another EPIC product again, ever.
So Apple should drop the 30% to 27-28% and let other credit card processors compete for the 2-3% payment processing fees?
Apple has the volume to offer very competitive rates for payment processing, good luck trying to undercut them.
That reminds me, must delete epic games account... done! Haven’t touched it in ages, only had free games, didn’t give any of my real info because I didn’t trust them. their store didn’t do developers any good from my lack of purchasing. Spent lots more in Apple App Store.