Exactly. I thought they come together to build a better phone that we all love to have, just like Elon Musk built a better car. Instead, they come together to force other to their demands. Doh.
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Epic Games, Spotify, and Tile Form 'Coalition for App Fairness' to 'Fight Back' Against Apple
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Exactly. I thought they come together to build a better phone that we all love to have, just like Elon Musk built a better car. Instead, they come together to force other to their demands. Doh.
So if I buy a really expensive car, I should be entitled to free or cheaper services – or cheaper gas / charging – just because I paid more than a Toyota costs?
This is misleading. Spotify is a publicly traded independent company. Tencent has a 7.5% stake in Spotify, and Spotify has a 9% interest in Tencent Music Entertainment. A minority stake, while technically ownership (hell, my one share of Apple makes me an owner of Apple), in no way implies control.
And why not? As little as they pay artists, they must be rolling in dough. Free booze!!!
The amount of blind fanboyism in this thread is just hurting, as if this was a sports match with people cheering for their team. Regardless of ones stance on this topic, Apple is no ones friend here. The only people Apple cares about is their main stakeholders (plus all the minors ones, but only because they have to). Some people behave as if Apple would repay their blind loyalty in any way, despite this being never the case.
Besides that, there is two sides to every coin. And despite those same principles applying to the companies part of that coalition (namely, they only care about themselves), they do raise some valid point. Todays ecosystems, regardless of which form or nature, opened door to a lot of anticompetitive practices. As a customer, in a free market, you should care about yourself primarily, just like those companies do. Making eco systems less restrictive is customer friendly. That does not contradict an App Store which is selective about the software quality, there is ways to still achieve this in a more open eco system.
Besides that, there is two sides to every coin. And despite those same principles applying to the companies part of that coalition (namely, they only care about themselves), they do raise some valid point. Todays ecosystems, regardless of which form or nature, opened door to a lot of anticompetitive practices. As a customer, in a free market, you should care about yourself primarily, just like those companies do. Making eco systems less restrictive is customer friendly. That does not contradict an App Store which is selective about the software quality, there is ways to still achieve this in a more open eco system.
Who told you that?
30% is for many things, as detailed by Apple in their court filings. Credit card fees are just a few of those 30 points.
Finally, consumers and developers should have a choice on app stores. It is hypocritical for Apple to allow the download of apps from a browser on macs but not on phones
Schiller and his app store mafia clique are ready to die to maintain their 30% tax and iron control.
Not hypocritical in the slightest. They never positioned the Mac in the same way.
With strings attached and they don't work out things like TAX/VAT for you.
Apple seems to be alone in the battle to create an environment that is safe and secure for its patrons. I don't have a problem with paying 30% more for that. It is worth it. I want the apps to be vetted and scanned. But that costs money and infrastructure. Yes, I realize some bad actors still slip through. That only fuels the argument that the 30% "tax" is needed. I am willing to pay more to have Apple's quality ecosystem because it is the only one like it. Please don't ruin it.
Epic got greedy and tried to strong arm Apple and Apple didn't budge. Most game publisher have an 80/20 split for titles they publish. That 80% would go to EA, Epic, etc. The fact app developers get 70% and don't have to worry about VAT taxes and other headaches that come along with distributing their apps outside the US is a deal breaker when you are a small dev studio. When Apple first announced this deal this was unheard of in an industry notorious for screwing over the little dev studio.
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Interesting that not ALL the recent companies that had gripes with Apple are on the list. I would have expected “Hey”, but they probably have nothing to gain. I mean, I didn’t know what a ProtonMail was before now, so maybe they see it as more of a way to get their name out there.Sad to see ProtonMail join this. Their stance on things is usually more though-out. How they can even think to join forces with companies like Epic Games or Spotify...
No, the biggest issue is clear. A future is coming where Epic will NOT be able to run their own store on the majority of devices that people are spending entertainment dollars on. They would have to go back to just being a publisher instead of having an Epic Store.
Yeah, I mean there are plenty of CLEAR things to attack Apple for, pick ANY of ‘em. However, the tribal cult of “WANNASEEAPPLETOOKDOWN” will jump on ANY hate-Apple bandwagon.
It’s entertaining at least.That does not hold, as the 30% is only charged when payments happen.
And every single one of those entities has just been added to my blacklist. Shower of scum, the lot of them.
I like the idea in theory... but this name sounds like one of those cheesy old WWE factions that would pop up for about 6 months so Stone Cold and The Rock could drop random people with Stunners and People's Elbows left and right 🤣
It would be game over for these companies as their success has come directly from Apple developments. If they win. Everyone else looses. Apple has no incentive to push development on a platform that they don’t profit from the 30% does not include and costs incurred to support, be the customer service agent, develop tools etc. It is also below their average profit margin before factoring in those costs.
It is those developments that have allowed these companies to thrive and grow their business exponentially.
It’s stupid beyond all recognition to bite this hand as they pay far more to be on console platforms and make no profit on Android. Apple has the resources to just build what they see as valuable and stop development on the App Store if it will cease to be profitable or will waste to much time fighting idiots.
