Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Are you confused? Are you under the impression that we've said devs should be forced to release their software on every conceivable platform?
You said you want ALL SMARTPHONES as the customer.

If you want to reach all smartphone users you are.
-- You said this in response to being required to develop for iOS.
 
That is not a requirement for mobile development. It is a restriction/rule you are putting on YOURSELF. Example I have mentioned before - Affinity Photo. It is NOT available for ALL smartphone users.
Indeed it's not required for mobile development. However, the scenario shouldn't exist where one half of a duopoly can tell you that you have to agree to their arbitrary terms before you even get the choice of developing for their OS.

That's a choice Affinity made and that's fine. If they wanted to be on Android, they could be on there without having to agree to Google's terms by offering sideloading.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dk001
Indeed it's not required for mobile development. However, the scenario shouldn't exist where one half of a duopoly can tell you that you have to agree to their arbitrary terms before you even get the choice of developing for their OS.
No it shouldn't. But opening up iOS is not the answer. Getting a third company to compete with Apple and Google is the answer.
 
No it shouldn't. But opening up iOS is not the answer. Getting a third company to compete with Apple and Google is the answer.
There's nothing wrong with opening iOS, but a third competitor in the space would also be great. I'd happily take both.
 
  • Like
Reactions: dk001
You know what would actually prevent anti-competitive behavior? Not allowing companies to buy each other. I kind of consider what Microsoft is doing by purchasing Activision Blizzard as anti-competitive. But they keep letting major companies buy "smaller" ones. It would stop this at the source of the problem.
And if I was a regulator, I wouldn't let that transaction go through. They already bought up Bethesda.
 
  • Like
Reactions: PC_tech and Ethosik
You said you want ALL SMARTPHONES as the customer.

-- You said this in response to being required to develop for iOS.
If you want to reach all smartphone consumers, you have to develop for iOS. If you don't care to reach all smartphone consumers, you don't have to develop for iOS (or Android). I genuinely don't get what's confusing about those two verifiably factual statements.
 
Literally all three of those aren't strictly true

In fact, in many cases, a users or businesses Mac has MORE valuable user information on it
Yes, but few companies allow work laptops/desktops to be used for personal usage. Even if working from home its not like something you can use casually as it would be locked down if they care. You more likely to have a encrypted work computer then a personal one.

Guys-- Apple just wants to hoard the revenue monopoly on the iOS App Store.
That's all this is -- and they've got you arguing for them!!
No argument. ;)
 
  • Like
Reactions: turbineseaplane
If you want to reach all smartphone consumers, you have to develop for iOS. If you don't care to reach all smartphone consumers, you don't have to develop for iOS (or Android). I genuinely don't get what's confusing about those two verifiably factual statements.
But that is a rule or condition you yourself are putting on yourself. Punishing Apple because you want to "reach all smartphone customers" when it is your choice, not Apple forcing you to use the App Store.
 
No it shouldn't. But opening up iOS is not the answer. Getting a third company to compete with Apple and Google is the answer.

I would say there is no chance there will be a third party trying to compete against Apple and Google, when even MS tried and failed.
 
Current thread status ?


836472EA-E74F-4BB6-A0F8-A657859280C3.gif
 
There are many things wrong with it but that is opinions and we all have different ones.
Apple's been slowly opening iOS for years now. Have you also been against that?

There are definitely better and worse executions of openness, and trying too much at once might be too much for Apple to do properly (let's be honest, they're already struggling to keep up with annual updates), but openness in and of itself is not bad.
 
Literally all three of those aren't strictly true

In fact, in many cases, a users or businesses Mac has MORE valuable user information on it
Work systems are usually filled with business information on it NOT user information. I cannot install TurboTax and do my taxes on my work system, or log in to my bank website and do my banking. Or sync my texts.

And my Mac laptop - by my own choice - is less valuable than my phone. I don't take my laptop in my car every time I drive, or do my banking on my Mac, or use my health data on my Mac.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Realityck
Apple's been slowly opening iOS for years now. Have you also been against that?

There are definitely better and worse executions of openness, and trying too much at once might be too much for Apple to do properly (let's be honest, they're already struggling to keep up with annual updates), but openness in and of itself is not bad.
I am fully against side-loading. I have not seen Apple open up iOS with side-loading in mind. Otherwise, we would not have these threads and lawsuits if Apple does intend to allow side-loading on iOS. So that is what I refer to as "opening" iOS.
 
  • Love
Reactions: Maximara
I am fully against side-loading. I have not seen Apple open up iOS with side-loading in mind.

Are you ok with it for specific groups and organizations?

That’s already allowed now.
Even got expanded today


 
  • Like
Reactions: dk001
No it shouldn't. But opening up iOS is not the answer. Getting a third company to compete with Apple and Google is the answer.
Unfortunately, Apple doesn't seem to agree with this stance. Otherwise they'd be making changes themselves now rather than waiting on governments to do it for them.

But that is a rule or condition you yourself are putting on yourself. Punishing Apple because you want to "reach all smartphone customers" when it is your choice, not Apple forcing you to use the App Store.
And it should be a dev's right to make that decision for themselves without having to agree to arbitrary terms from a duopoly power. You've even agreed with that in the first quote above.
 
is true and apple should give developers other options than App Store.
But, shouldnt be xcode and ios sdk limited for App Store, and other stores developer its own SDK compatible with Apple?
I mean, SDK are tool provided by apple for their store, if you want to use your own, you should developer that. Or what?
 
Guys let’s not forget that the iPhone platform is desirable for consumers because of the third-party applications.

Almost nobody buys iPhones for the built-in applications. Even if they do use some of those, the platform would be unbelievably unsuccessful without the third-party application ecosystem

Acting like everybody at every point of all these transactions owes everything to Apple is a little bit much.
 
And it should be a dev's right to make that decision for themselves without having to agree to arbitrary terms from a duopoly power. You've even agreed with that in the first quote above.
The solution to duopoly power is to introduce more parties. Breaking up the App Store still leaves the duopoly power around. And I can certainly see this going to a $300 Apple developer fee and $500 XCode license to make up for the 30%. And you (developer) having to deal with individual line items for CDN, support, transaction and other items.
 
I am fully against side-loading. I have not seen Apple open up iOS with side-loading in mind. Otherwise, we would not have these threads and lawsuits if Apple does intend to allow side-loading on iOS. So that is what I refer to as "opening" iOS.
Sideloading in general, or purely sideloading on iOS? Because it's not some crazy, dangerous thing, it's just a fancy word for installing. Mac's handle it fine. Hell, I can sign up to a beta and sideload apps on my iPhone right now (I currently have two installed). Don't get me wrong, you're allowed to be against it, I just don't get the reasoning behind the decision.
 
Are you ok with it for specific groups and organizations?

That’s already allowed now.
Even got expanded today


But thos is the same as to be in app store, all the process goes trough apple. Only difference is those apps dont have icons in the app store, only direct link. Lets say, the raw link without eyecandies (screenshots etc)
 
The pressure is getting higher and higher each month from all directions so change finally has to happen if Apple likes it or not.

I don't understand why many people are opposed to the idea of adding more options. Options are not mandatory if you do not want to use it. For the users that want to use Apple payment systems, nothing will change. They still can because this is and will remain an App Store requirement, whatever the outcome of the rulings may be.

So there is no reasonable argument to fight for not having options and diversity if you wont be using those options anyway.
The ones crying about it here feel their choice is being taken away if Apple is forced, we know that’s a false narrative, since clearly more options benefit users.
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.