Top selling car is an American car. US is not export dependent like Germany, for example which needs the Chinese market to export BMW, Mercedes, etc.
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EU Consumer Group Summarizes How Apple Fails to Comply With DMA
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LoL, apparently you were never on American street, otherwise you would not use this comparison. American streets are dominated by American cars and those imported are quite often special models made for America
And reason is clearly visible, average European car looks like tiny model standing beside average American car.
My point was not to say that Apple actually "changed," but to highlight a common trend: when it comes to big tech, the reports come out after the issues have been addressed. Bureaucracy moves slower than technology, and if the EU wants to be relevant it'll need to either move quicker, be willing to do a last-minute report edit, or keep its voice out of the tech sphere (Take your pick)
No, quite the opposite, you missed the fact that you made a false equivalence.
The situation is not symmetric. You can't go into someone's house, ask them to change how they lay out their furniture, and if they complain, tell them to move somewhere else. But it's _perfectly fine_ to say to someone who wants to come into your house only if you change your furniture, "well if you don't like it, go somewhere else".
So the whole premise of "if you don't like what EU does to iOS, use something else" is a-priori wrong. Sure you can make that case, but it's an invalid one. So no, thank you.
Come on - no one who is against the DMA wants Apple "to control every aspect of their lives".
Thinking that a government regulating a platform to this extent, when it has less than 30% marketshare, isn't appropriate, especially when its main competitor has over 70% market share and does almost everything they are asking for, does not mean I want Apple to control every aspect of my life.
If the situation was reversed and Apple had 70% share, and Android 30% then the EU would have (again, from my perspective) a lot better standing to tell Apple what it can and can't do with regards to the App Store. And while I'd still be against the DMA - it's a terribly written law that goes way, way too far (even for actual monopolies like Google search) and is full of unintended consequences and actually isn't going to do what it intends to - I would be in support of making Apple open up the App Store, allowing side loading, etc.
So stop with the insults please.
You're not sure what I'm getting at because you don't know what government is for, and what it isn't for. This is example of what it is not for.
The problem with your mindset, is that you only keep your mind open to your own opinion. It doesn’t matter that whatever changes Apple make are only applicable if you actually want to use them, more so, only available in a specific region. Apple is right no matter what, government is over reaching no matter what.
Many people are using the US govs methodology and the US people’s stance on government and how large or small it should be. But it’s not the US, their government or their people. An opinion on how one should be governed is generally formed on how they’re actually governed. Therefore, most people here are making false equivalences with every post.
If you really think that's my stance in general, just FYI you're wrong. In this particular case, yes I believe EU is definitely overreaching.
LoL, apparently you were never on American street, otherwise you would not use this comparison. American streets are dominated by American cars and those imported are quite often special models made for America
"Domination" of American cars can vary a fair amount by U.S. region. However, of the top 25 bestselling vehicles in the U.S. in 2023, 11 were American brands, 13 were Japanese brands, and 1 was a Korean brand.
Excluding pickups (which were #1, #2, #3, #7 and #11), 7 were American, 12 were Japanese, and 1 was Korean.
It’s now people under 40. I’ve seen a 40-year-old on these fora claim that it used to be considered shameful to charge for software. The poor sot formed his view of business during the internet bubble days. Only free is moral to him, so he is profiled, bundled, sold, and fleeced.
BYD?
BYD sells more cars than Tesla. BYD even has factories in the US, in Illinois and California. It is Chinese, by the way.
According to ChatGPT Tesla valuation is 678b while BYD is 96b. And to be clear the plant in Lancaster, ca manufacturers buses.
How did we get here from the dma?
LoL, apparently you were never on American street, otherwise you would not use this comparison. American streets are dominated by American cars and those imported are quite often special models made for America
I have been in American streets many times and am aware the cars are huge, inefficient and popular in the US only. The size of them is one of the many reasons you don’t see them outside of America apart from the rare import as they are not desirable to European and Asian markets. Being bigger isn’t necessarily a positive just to be clear, it might be over there but certainly not here.
Tesla is a recent exception in Europe and primarily because they make cheap EV’s and for a long time were the best choice. Times are changing though as German and Japanese makers invest more into the EV sector. Volkswagen Group are the biggest in the world, closely followed by Toyota btw. Tesla are 8th as of August 2024 which is impressive in itself considering they are barely 20 years old.
It sounds like you have a handle on the situation. In other words, Apple has done everything within its rights to do.
Laws are not infallible. They are crafted by individuals for political objectives. Laws can be, and frequently are, corrupt, unjust, or compromises made to accommodate influential interest groups. Consequently, courts allow laws to be disputed and overturned. Apple is not only within its rights to challenge the DMA, it has a fiduciary responsibility to its shareholders to do so.
Tesla Model Y was the best-selling car in the world in 2023, with 1.15 million sold.
Toyota was the top selling car brand in the world in 2023, with over 9 million sold. Tesla didn’t make the top 10.
Isn't it interesting that Tesla buys batteries for its cars from BYD? Simply cannot do without the Chinese...in this world anymore.
Not really. China has been a source of cheap manufacturing for a while now. I don't know what this has to do with what I said.
LoL, apparently you were never on American street, otherwise you would not use this comparison. American streets are dominated by American cars and those imported are quite often special models made for America
Ford is the top brand in the US, but it only narrowly beats Toyota. Looking at 2023 numbers and sticking with the top 10 car brands sold in the US, no European car makes the list. However, Japanese and Korean cars outsold American cars 5.45 million to 4.81 million.
U.S.: best-selling car brands 2024| Statista
In 2023, the two top-selling car brands in America recorded over 1.8 million sales each. Nissan ranked fifth that year.
www.statista.com
American streets look quite different depending on where in the country you look. In the richer coastal areas with educated professional immigrants, foreign manufacturers are far more prevalent than in red states.
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Sure, aren't we all using made in China stuff...to take pictures, call people, write comments, do maths, run offices etc, etc? We don't seem to make anything worthwhile ourselves lately, don't you think so?
No, I don't agree with that in any way. But again, I have no idea what this has to do with the rest of the conversation. It was originally about why the EU has fallen so far behind the US in tech.
Argue facts and counter opinions. Don’t create straw men about people’s “mindsets”.
Said NO ONE ever in this thread.
You are lucky the US didn’t adopt your attitude in WWII. We would have had to say: “Sorry, we can’t help you with that fascism thing. We can’t insert our opinions since that’s how you are actually governed.”
I suspect you don’t know the meaning of “false equivalence”.
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