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Ford is the top brand in the US, but it only narrowly beats Toyota. Looking at 2023 numbers and sticking with the top 10 car brands sold in the US, no European car makes the list. However, Japanese and Korean cars outsold American cards 5.45 million to 4.81 million.

But still, a lot of those, are models made specifically for American markets, like Sequoia or Thundra or have specific configuration (like gasoline engines for Cruiser, which are not available in EU).
 
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Sure, aren't we all using made in China stuff...to take pictures, call people, write comments, do maths, run offices etc, etc? We don't seem to make anything worthwhile ourselves lately, don't you think so?
Sure other than:
- Tesla and cadillac
- Ralph Lauren and brooks bros.
- Viking, sub-zero
- apple
- hart Schaffer Marx

To name a few.
 
Are you sure about that? Or is it the other way? There's no US tech that's not made in China.
Yes, I'm sure. You, however, are disingenuously pretending that manufacturing is the only valuable part of the tech industry. Which is obviously not true.
 
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"Please accept these cookies" popup x 100 times a day.

wow, consumers are so happy with this EU decision.
Simple solution: don't visit those web sites and you only have to click accept once, the next time you visit that web site it will remember your choice that's what cookies do (save your preferences) I doubt you are visiting 100 different web sites each day.
 
Simple solution: don't visit those web sites and you only have to click accept once, the next time you visit that web site it will remember your choice that's what cookies do (save your preferences) I doubt you are visiting 100 different web sites each day.
So, it I "Reject All" cookies, they should set a cookie to remember that I don't want them to set any cookies? :p
 
This is a consumer rights organisation. They’re not regulators. They’re not some corporate lobby group. Their only purpose is literally to stand up for consumer rights.

If anti-consumer regulations were introduced, this is the group we’d hear from condemning that, just as much as when we hear from them about corporate anti-consumer practices.

We should all support that. There are few organisations as unambiguously on our side.
All these complainers in this thread are free to make their own group and complain publicly about the EU, American apple shareholders association.
 
So, it I "Reject All" cookies, they should set a cookie to remember that I don't want them to set any cookies? :p
Go back to step 1, don't visit that web site. You can use a "ad blocker" to block all pop ups and set your browser to block all cookies.
 
Yes, I'm sure. You, however, are disingenuously pretending that manufacturing is the only valuable part of the tech industry. Which is obviously not true.
The ability to manufacture is the most important part of any production venture. The US has lost that ability in many areas, especially in the phone, computer industry. The mobile phone is also a computer in a way. Which phone or a computer is made in the US? Or even the chip inside it, or the battery?
 
Go back to step 1, don't visit that web site. You can use a "ad blocker" to block all pop ups and set your browser to block all cookies.
If only the EU was so thoughtful! The fact that they addressed this problem on millions of websites instead of dealing with the problem through the browser is my fundamental problem with the regulation.
 
The ability to manufacture is the most important part of any production venture. The US has lost that ability in many areas, especially in the phone, computer industry. The mobile phone is also a computer in a way. Which phone or a computer is made in the US? Or even the chip inside it, or the battery?
If you aren't going to discuss this in good faith, I'm done. Good luck.
 
If only the EU was so thoughtful! The fact that they addressed this problem on millions of websites instead of dealing with the problem through the browser is my fundamental problem with the regulation.
In the EU, the user is in charge. No website can put anything in your computer, if you don't allow it.
 
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At least, that's their intention. I completely support that. I just disagree with their implementation.
People have the right to disagree. I am quite happy with me being in charge, not some web site sneaking cookies or other stuff in without my knowledge. My wife is angry with it a bit for now, but she simply clicks "decline" and goes on to read the web site. She knows the danger of "allowing all," but has no time to choose what's there, so "decline all" appears to be the best solution. The web site won't go away, if we decline all. People will get used to this in time. In the end they'd be happy. We become more careful.
 
People have the right to disagree. I am quite happy with me being in charge, not some web site sneaking cookies or other stuff in without my knowledge. My wife is angry with it a bit for now, but she simply clicks "decline" and goes on to read the web site. She knows the danger of "allowing all," but has no time to choose what's there, so "decline all" appears to be the best solution. The web site won't go away, if we decline all. People will get used to this in time. In the end they'd be happy. We become more careful.
Except you're not in charge. Websites can and do sneak in cookies without your knowledge regardless of what you select on the nag screen.

Wouldn't it be better instead of having to trust each website to respect your wishes, the EU required browsers to force each website to respect your wishes? So instead of having to deal with all these cookie nags, you could enter your preferences into your browser and not have to see them again? Your preferences could even be portable between browsers.
 
I suspect you don’t know the meaning of “false equivalence”.
When people use US laws and methods of regarding the law (the letter of the law) and US ideals of small government, to take aim at EU, who regards the law by the spirit of the law and has traditionally much larger government control - this is rampant in this and other similar threads, and that is exactly a false equivalence. They cannot be compared in this manner, as they’re fundamentally different.
It’s natural for people from one school of thought to impose their opinions based on that school. However, sometimes one should look deeper and realise that not every country has the same rules, and comparing one region with another’s as if they’re apples to apples doesn’t entirely work.
 
Except you're not in charge. Websites can and do sneak in cookies without your knowledge regardless of what you select on the nag screen.

Wouldn't it be better instead of having to trust each website to respect your wishes, ...
Web sites might try, but the fine is quite steep. We might be hearing of such fines in the near future.
If I need to go back to some site, I bookmark it. Being in charge is they need to ask your permission. I suppose, where you live, no web site asks your permission to place cookies and whatnot in your computer.
 
When people use US laws and methods of regarding the law (the letter of the law) and US ideals of small government, to take aim at EU, who regards the law by the spirit of the law and has traditionally much larger government control - this is rampant in this and other similar threads, and that is exactly a false equivalence.
I thought so. You don’t understand the term false equivalence.

False equivalence is a logical fallacy. No one is suggesting that there is an equivalence any where. People are disagreeing with your opinions based on their own experiences. You seem to be arguing that unless one ascribes to your putative cultural biases and traditions, opinions contrary to your own are logical fallacies. That’s hogwash.
 
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Web sites might try, but the fine is quite steep. We might be hearing of such fines in the near future.
If I need to go back to some site, I bookmark it. Being in charge is they need to ask your permission. I suppose, where you live, no web site asks your permission to place cookies and whatnot in your computer.
It is cute when people argue that big bad Apple doesn’t follow the law, but thousands of scam websites tremble in the presence of the GDPR.
 
Simple solution: don't visit those web sites and you only have to click accept once, the next time you visit that web site it will remember your choice that's what cookies do (save your preferences) I doubt you are visiting 100 different web sites each day.
many websites actually do not remember lmao

and it doesn't get synced across devices/browsers. chrome/brave/safari on Mac, brave/safari on iPad, safari on iPhone, chrome on windows.

I often visit 50-100 websites a day.

"simply don't visit those websites", I mean, EU DMA should just tell people to "don't buy iPhone if you want to side load".
 
Web sites might try, but the fine is quite steep. We might be hearing of such fines in the near future.
If I need to go back to some site, I bookmark it. Being in charge is they need to ask your permission. I suppose, where you live, no web site asks your permission to place cookies and whatnot in your computer.
I don’t need websites to ask my permission, because I only allow cookies that I want. A much better solution than each website asking permission over and over again if I switch browsers or clear my cookies.
 
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