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Oh, we completely agree on that.

An owner of a platform (such as a marketplace, TV channel or streaming service, even an operating system) should be allowed to have a say and be free to decide on what runs and what not.

Only when said platform has obtained monopoly/duopoly/oligopoly status and power should government intervene and limit their right to “have a say” and censor or charge as they please with legislation or regulatory action.
Couldn’t disagree more. But having said that apple hasn't attained any “poly”.
…which is exactly what we’re looking at here.

And how did we get to that? How was such duopoly created? Through operating system developers having deliberately chosen to “give away their IP and services for free” to anyone and for most purposes.
No duopoly.
We obviously disagree on you wanting to give the smaller firm in that resulting duopoly a free pass and exempt from all such legislation/regulation. Even though not in terms of units or users, they account for about half of that market (mobile app spend) in terms of revenue.

👉 Once you monopolise (“duopolise”) a market by giving away your IP and services for free, you’ve revoked your right to cherry-picking.
Don’t want to recreate other threads but we all know where each other stands.
 
Yet they allow Cannabis apps in the US. My state doesn’t allow delivery yet, but you can purchase and reserve your pickup time in the app.
 
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The only thing I would argue here is, kids lie about their age, once a child gets the app and the parents find out, apple would be sued for allowing it to happen.

Kids can and do access pr0nz now via the browser, I don't think apps make it any easier. Ultimately it is up to parents to parent.

Lots of parent I know just don't have the technical knowledge or time to learn about and use such settings.

If I were a parent I would make the time to learn. Parental controls are made available and cannot be that hard to implement.

When you create a product it is your prerogative to decide how to present it. There is no zero upside to having porn in the App Store. All it would do is create a public relations disaster for Apple. Now when it is mentioned Apple can respond we do not allow that material in our App Store which is a good place to be.

I will admit to being in a tough spot on this one. As an advocate for the "one stop shop" aspect of the app store, and wanting it to stay that way, I wish Apple would just allow all apps that are not illegal. If they choose to keep certain apps out of the store is just gives fuel to the alt-store crowd.

I agree that Apple can and should have say over protecting their brand, but their resistance on this topic may bring about the end of the ecosystem.

Are there seriously people from US complaining about this here? The same country that “invented” porn

Please provide citation for this claim.
 
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I seriously doubt the EU's idea of a separate App Store included pornography much less the first app being pornographic in nature. Well done EU, now figure out how to protect the children.
The business model of online porn sites requiring merely the press of an on-screen button in confirming your age and “protecting the children” was basically invented or popularised in the U.S.
 
Commission incoming? 🤝

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Page 517 of Isaacson’s bio:
"You might care more about porn when you have kids,” replied Jobs. "It's not about freedom, it's about Apple trying to do the right thing for its users."

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Is that why there’s thousands + explicit “adult” books on the book store disguised as “romance” just like “50 shades of gray” that millions of young teen girls read without any shame or restriction? (P)-orn is on all forms of media, but somehow it’s only restricted and shamed when it’s in video / visual form that mostly men use. They never try to monitor or prevent written (P)-orn that mostly women and girls use.
 
Europe sure seems to like porn. Wonder what the EU will think when the first sex trafficking app shows up on an "alternate" app store.

Such a depressing (imo) world.
I'm sure the regular App Store already has some as well, like Kik or even Reddit (though they aren't blatantly obvious on the surface like this one).

Many, many years ago, before social media was really a thing, Kik was a popular and fun messaging app that a lot of my friends were on. It showed up in the App Store while I was browsing one day and I was surprised to see it was still a thing. Out of curiosity, I installed the app and checked out a group for my town to see if anyone was still using it. It was just filled with bots and "escorts" (and a few real people). The admin wasn't around anymore to keep the group clean. Reporting the bots/escorts to Kik does nothing. On the front page, you can view "live" cameras. It's seriously nothing like it used to be, and I'm a bit shocked Apple allows it in the App Store. I feel like they have to be breaking some rules. I thought I was using Android for a moment and entered the dark web. Remember how people used to say Android has crappy apps?
 
No one can hold apple accountable for anything they download from an alternate store. Download and install at your own risk.
 
Fascinating display of some holier than thou thinking in here

I don't see anyone clamoring for a ban on Safari (or other web browsers)

Ladies and Gentlemen ... corporations are not here to be moral police

It's because Safari works like an outlet from the walled garden. It's the same as red light districts.

You have one area in the city dedicated to brothels, street prostitution, sex shows, sex toys, pornographic (book)stores. And then you have the rest of the city without those institutions.

So in day to day life you you just don't have to deal with that, but when the need occurs, you take an anonymised trip through private browsing in Safari to those part of town leaving as little trace as possible. Then you return, take a shower and return to your normal life.

These are two different worlds which shouldn't mix.
 
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Gaming consoles are specifically designed (and purposely limited) to serve content approved by the hardware manufacturer.
Smartphones aren’t - they’re designed to serve all kinds of software and content.

Apple should be free to design a smartphone which is designed to serve content approved by the hardware manufacturer. That's how the App Store was designed since approval was part of the App Store from start.

Also a hardware manufacturer should be able to change their mind at any point and complete change that the purpose of the device is and how in functions for new models.
 
They have a legal business model.
For now.

While it’s still legal, it’s inherently harmful to consumers anyway. And arguably to society as a whole, because people get used to not owning their own devices and accepting the logic «I've bought an iPhone so I'm limited to Apple-approved stuff now».

Which potentially leads to not caring about important political issues, such as fight against DMCA, against DRM, for right to repair, etc.


Advertising cigarettes as a healthy product was once legal too, after all.
 
There's nothing inherently unethical about guns either, what's your point?

Do you genuinely view the current landscape of porn as ethical, or are you merely living in a fantasy world?

I mean, guns are literally designed to kill people. That's their reason for existing. I don't think porn was designed to kill anyone, so this isn't an argument I'm going to entertain.
 
Only when said platform has obtained monopoly/duopoly/oligopoly status and power should government intervene and limit their right to “have a say” and censor or charge as they please with legislation or regulatory action.

And I disagree completely. Governments shouldn't regulate in detail these kind of things.

There is an open technology, the web, which would be able to solve this problem.
 
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Apple's App Store does not prohibit gambling apps.

Well with gambling apps you have to open an account in order to partake... And in order to open an account you have to be over 21.... So there's that control at least.
 
Everything is for now until it’s not.
While it’s still legal, it’s inherently harmful to consumers anyway.
It’s not.
And arguably to society as a whole, because people get used to not owning their own devices and accepting the logic «I've bought an iPhone so I'm limited to Apple-approved stuff now».
This is not new and spans more than apple.
Which potentially leads to not caring about important political issues, such as fight against DMCA, against DRM, for right to repair, etc.
Disagree.
Advertising cigarettes as a healthy product was once legal too, after all.
And coca-cola had what the turn of the century? So what’s the point? And the Supreme Court changed their minds a few times. So whats your point?
 
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