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  • Node Mode.
  • WiFi 6.
  • Better battery life.
  • Better CPU + GPU that enable a new range of apps.
That's just 4 things you don't have now. But if what you have now serves your needs, that's great. But we shouldn't downplay the new release as having "nothing new", because that's false.
That's the same song and dance they give every year.. Minimal innovation, full price. Forget it.
 
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A phone that fits in your pocket and is cheap, aka a successor to the SE, something like a scaled down XR.

My XS Max fits just fine in my pocket and my hands for that matter. I suggest you give your sister back her jeans and buy a pair meant for men.
 
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I think the iPhone 11 at $699 is a pretty good deal. Also, Apple is offering some generous trade-ins. Although, I will probably stick with my XR for now.....

Apple TV+ at $4.99 per month family plan is a pretty good deal. Free with new purchase of hardware. It will depend on content.

The Apple Watch Series 3 for $199 is not bad. Some folks might go for it during the holidays.....maybe some Black Friday discounts.

Otherwise, there wasn't much that got my interest. But, I am not the typical customer for a high end "Pro" phone.
 
Near the end of the presentation, I looked at the time, 11:40a.m. Pacific and thought to myself, OMG, here comes the "One more thing..." part. Finally. Even Tim looked like he was fumbling his words a bit so was disappointed when he just ended it.

Of course, we are all spoiled by today's technology and probably don't give Apple enough credit for all of the amazing software advances but still, as consumers, we want that new, shiny object that gets our hearts beating a little.

Besides the AR Glasses, do you think Apple has anything in the pipeline that will blow us away like Steve managed to often do or is that time period over for good??
 
I don't know, when I think of the word "innovation" I think along the lines of something I haven't seen or heard of before. That's the "WOW" for me. It's something entirely new that I WANT... or better yet, feel like I HAVE to have! That's not what I came away with from watching this. Just the opposite actually.

Anyhow, not liking...

Huge camera bump still (bigger in fact)
Notch still there
Thick bezels
Small base HDD
Price
No Touch ID (I hate Face ID and feel it's a pain)

When I compare my iPhone X to my wife's samsung galaxy note 9, I just feel her hardware is so much better looking than mine. It's sleek and sexy with bezel to bezel screen and touch id. I was holding out to see what Apple had today before deciding on a new Note 10 or iPhone 11/pro. Now I'm just at an impasse... it's hard to give up on what I know and am used to, but I feel what I'm looking at still looks just like an iPhone X, with a better CPU (that doesn't really DO anything for me and my use case).
 
So the rumored new Apple TV device remains a rumor, the only TV-related announcement was the TV+ service?
 
Haters gonna hate, but for a step-up phone year I thought this was a surprisingly good set of announcements, and the price points dropped my jaw. If anyone saw a $4.99/mo price point coming for ATV+ (and a free year with a new device), it was a quiet minority. Disney, Amazon, HBO, & Netflix sure as hell didn’t. The iPhone 11 camera range goes from excellent to outstanding, and the battery gains are serious. To replace my 8 I was going to wait for the QC modem phone next year (for signal stability, couldn’t care less about marketed-like-crazy-but-not-yet-ready-for-primetime 5G) but I’ve been given pause.
 
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Aside from lower price points with smart phones, what else are consumers ‘asking’ for that you’re inferring should be innovative?

So what are consumers asking for? Or better yet, what are YOU asking for?

Let's not forget all of the internal improvements. New SoC that enables features like the dual and triple cameras to perform even better, Night Mode, telephoto mode... these are all improvements that do not exist in the previous generation phones.

So what are you waiting for that's "innovative"? A phone that sings and dances for you?

I'm not the one who used the word "Innovation" in the event title.

But as long as you ask, here's what I'd see as innovative:

- multi-user ipads
- usb c/wireless charging
- better displays than the competition
- ice lake adoption in laptops
- more cost competitive (although apple did move on that front)
 
I really enjoyed the keynote, but I try not to listen to the exhausting noise made by 100s of twitter accounts / youtubers / etc. that treat rumors as facts so that could explain it. I was almost praying when I heard multiple people “confirmed” bilateral wireless charging... that technology is nowhere near to perfect, neither for its usage in phones nor for the planet (are we really, really, really going to jump in the inefficiency train for charging our daily devices in the middle of a climate crisis? )

This new iteration for the iPhone was logical and elegant, it respects the original form factor and somehow manages to wider the Standard vs Premium categories with the new camera array, very elegant and discrete colors in the Pro compared with the “fun” and cheaper iPhone 11.

I expected nothing for the Apple Watch, so the series 5 with an OLED capable of jumping from 1Hz to 60Hz with ease was a nice and unexpected surprise along with the new materials and the AW Studio. Manages to give the name Series 5 a reason while not forcing Series 4 owners like myself to upgrade. Btw, I don’t know if it’s the case in the USA, but here in Europe the prices for the Apple Watch bands seem to have dropped 10€ (59€ to 49€). At the same time, prices for the iPad 10.2 and Apple Watch have risen.

PS.: 1 year of appletv+ with the purchase of some new Apple devices is HUGE.


I thought the keynote was meh... They rely on videos all the time now because no one has a stage presents to actually present. They keep saying.. This is our most advance iphone ever! Course it is it's the new version. This is the same line over and over and over

Best part was no John Ive saying "this is the most advance iphone ever created"
 
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The cool innovative aspect is under the hood. Amazing technology improvements in processing power. The camera alone technology beyond anything else on the market. From the chip level to the hardware to the software, amazing innovation. Sometimes the unseen the true innovation.:)
 
Probably on the software side. We like to think of Apple as a hardware company, but really it is their software that is amazing.

My suspicion is that a lot of the hardware did not have everything 100% in sync with the software and was axed at the last minute (tiles, AirPods charging, etc.). I would rather they concentrate on putting out a smooth OS that runs the hardware well then put out buggy as hell products that take several updates to get working properly.
"Here's what I found about "software is amazing on web"

Enough said.
 
All the tech aside. Tim Cook stated in January he’d be seeking to protect against currency swings and create price parity around the world. Then he ****ed the U.K. again. Not only did we not get an adjustment down. The phones are more expensive in gbp than dollars. That $699 iPhone is £749 here. Despite the pound being worth more than a single dollar. It’s $230 more to buy a base model iPhone in be up and it goes up to $300+

This is on the heels of an abysmal performance for the iPhone in the U.K. whomever decided he pricing strategy was out of their god damn mind.

No, in the UK we price inclusive of sales tax (called VAT here) in the States they price exclusive as they don't have a countrywide set rate like we do.

Your £749 phone is actually £624 plus TAX

Ok, their tax is less, 7.25% in California if I remember correctly? That makes the $699 phone $749 take home price.

Not the same but the gap is closing.

Basically in a nutshell the better comparison is $699+tax in the states and £624+tax over here.

It's not a $230 difference as you say, it's $72

EDIT:

Just went to the UK Govt site to ask for import costs of a $699 iPhone.

It comes to £679.01 without shipping costs included. Factor in the cost of shipping them to the UK and the price is pretty much exactly the same.

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Reopening the 5th Avenue Store is the only highlight of the keynote, In my humble opinion. When O’Brien came to the stage, I heard real ’’WOW’’~~~
 
The always dim Apple Watch looks interesting, except when it dimmed during a compass review. Probably a bad move to call the upscale iPhone a Pro model though. Many people do not need or want a "pro" phone, especially parents buying for teens or college students.
 
Laughing at the comments saying there was no innovation, and when asked what they thought would be “innovative” nobody can come up with an answer.

Instead we get “SE sized smaller phone”, “remove camera bump” or “USB-C”.

It’s telling that with all the people complaining about lack of innovation, not one person can actually name something that would be innovative. They’re just repeating existing features/technology. And if Apple DID add these features, instead of calling it “innovation” they’d be accusing Apple of “copying” or saying things like “Samsung already has this”.

I’m still waiting for someone to list a feature Apple could have added that would be “innovative”.
 
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