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Everything Apple Announced at Today's iPhone Event in Just Seven Minutes
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No, his post was the answer to another post asking him what consumers wanted. Get the difference?
I could be paraphrasing but I think the clamoring for an iPhone, 3G/3GS, 4/4S again is really about Apple's insistence in making a good product bad through ignoring the design done to bring the first version to market and why this was a success. Why change something that just works? Also the planned obsolescence engineered by Apple and the fact that nearly all Apple customers have at least one paperweight designed in California.
The event was called, "By innovation only".
When you put yourself out there like that, you gotta expect to be taken to task when the innovation is nothing more than iterative.
I think next year's event should fit that description though...
We're not the ones running the trillion dollar company. Our only goal is to tell them if they (or any other vendor) come up with innovative things. The fact that there hasn't been much going on with respect to innovation for phones -- maybe there is none. That puts Apple in a bind. If they don't have anything truly innovative, they'll shine up whatever idea they have and call it 'innovative' and try to sell it that way. That's when they start with the unctuous keynotes.
To turn the tables - in your opinion, what have they come up with this time around that's so innovative to justify upgrading?
I had no interest when leaks were happening and now that I've seen the rerun of the keynote.. was busy today on purpose.. I am just not interested in the slightest in the phones. Apple Watch is cool but really they could do the same always on display with AW4 with just a simple software update... but it's Apple so they use it as a feature on their latest release. So like I was before the keynote.. I'll wait for used stuff or wait till next year to get the real upgrades. And that's not hate at all.. love Apple.. but this year just doesn't have anything worth dropping the last generation.. or 2 for. Even the trade in prices are below what you can sell your devices for elsewhere when you also figure the crazy price increases on memory. Trade in an iPhone X... 400 dollars... get a iPhone Pro.. 749.99.. that's with trade in.. no thanks.
You lose credibility when you claim “planned obsolescence”. iOS 12 and 13 actually improved performance and made older devices useful for another year (or more). Them we have Apple improving the ability for third party shops to get parts and tools to become “authorized” and repair older devices properly.
boring - nuf said.
When did people say they wanted a camera that made phone calls?
When did people say they wanted a camera that made phone calls?
I mean, not knocking your request, but none of those are innovative, just some basic hardware changes and the successor to the SE would actually be the opposite of innovative and I can get two days on my series 4 now.
Apple has lost me ... 2020 better bring no notch, underscreen fingerprint reader, and apple pencil support or I'm out. At least I'll save money.
I’m not running around claiming leaps in innovation. Lots of people are claiming there are none, without offering up what they think would be innovative.
We also haven’t seen the reviews to find out how good the cameras are, how fast/efficient the processor is or what features the U1 co-processor brings. That said....here’s an example:
If the battery size is the same yet Apple squeezed out 4/5 hours battery life I’d call that innovative. That’s a big jump in battery life. Seeing Sri talk about changes made to the processor to improve efficiency (like “hundreds of voltage domains”) is definitely innovation.
I don’t know, how about wowing me into actually wanting something. I don’t give a flying duck about incremental improvements in a camera. And I honestly don’t think most buyers are either.
I’m in the minority I suppose, but I’d like some focus on business productivity to help do my job more easily and efficiently. That’s adding meat to the soup...camera enhancements and emojis are nothing but adding wilted vegetables and more broth.
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So -
You think a bigger battery is innovative - some people think USB-C is... tomato, tomato (that doesn't work with written text)...
You know, one thing I know is when you try to innovate, you experiment - and you put something out there, and you get feedback. And sometimes that feedback is - "that ain't right". That's good feedback...
Order them? Are they all in the army or something? Of course a civilian who thinks they can order people, isn't made of the stuff for the military anyway.
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Tweaking the battery life is useful, but also incremental. The reality is that smart phones are now a commodity - like your refrigerator. You pick a brand and you pick a model and they all basically do the same thing. The scary thing for Apple is the next step which all commodities electronics do, is they lower dramatically in price. Its now only a matter of time before Apple cannot put off that change in the perceived value of an iphone with yet another incremental change.
Employee: I have a killer idea!
Boss: Go work on something else.
Who do you think wins?
Apple is making the same money is what you’re saying not that the prices are the same.No, in the UK we price inclusive of sales tax (called VAT here) in the States they price exclusive as they don't have a countrywide set rate like we do.
Your £749 phone is actually £624 plus TAX
Ok, their tax is less, 7.25% in California if I remember correctly? That makes the $699 phone $749 take home price.
Not the same but the gap is closing.
Basically in a nutshell the better comparison is $699+tax in the states and £624+tax over here.
It's not a $230 difference as you say, it's $72
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Just went to the UK Govt site to ask for import costs of a $699 iPhone.
It comes to £679.01 without shipping costs included. Factor in the cost of shipping them to the UK and the price is pretty much exactly the same.
we in he U.K. don’t give a toss about the fact vat is what makes it more expensive. They’re a multinational company and they are pricing us out of the market by not accounting for vat or being willing to take 500% markup instead of 700%. The price difference is what I listed. Not what you calculated. You’re calculating what they’re making off us not what it costs us.
Similarly they don’t do this with all of their devices. And the argument doesn’t account For a very weak pound right now, nor does it accept there are states with no sales tax - nor does it account for the lower pound per dollar income or higher cost of living.
For a company that wants to put the consumer first and stay in everyone’s pocket making the phone cost more here is ridiculous. Especially after talking in January about how they were going to ensure it didn’t go this way
the bottom line is Apple wants to get every penny they can. That’s fine. But British consumers need to stop paying through the nose for this stuff. We do it with other things like PPV - we should be able to do it with Apple
Products. Especially when their activation system can be so easily circumvented and they really aren’t doing anywhere near enough to stop all the moped thefts in London - why would hey. Just gouge for another phone rather than build a comprehensive system which can’t be defeated by sending a stolen phone to Africa.
I don’t know anyone here who says. Oh it’s VAT. I get it. We want pricing parity out the door. If that means they make £450 per phone instead of £600 so be it. With their profit margins they could absolutely ensure higher adoption rates, rates which are already far lower than the USA and falling.
also I don’t know if you’re here right now (you assumed I wasn’t probably due to my profile which is out of date) but with the instability at hand I hardly think a phone that sold terribly last year and got a price hike is going to really wow them with sales. Anyone here with half a brain just needs to wait 3-6 months for the massive price cuts to arrive like they did on the last models.
all that aside my personal recent history with Apple and their product quality / customer support would absolutely lead me to decide to change finally. And due to the app systems I can’t see coming back if I go. I know a lot of people in the same mindset. Sick of the upgrade pricing. Sick of the Apple tax. And honestly. Hey want cutting edge features. Apple is 1-2 years behind the other players right now on the tech side.
So there are many reasons Apple and Europe aren’t going to be long term lovers. I’m just shocked their talented staff can’t see the flaws so obvious to anyone living outside of the USA. Well anyone who isn’t incredibly Apple biased.
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I think it might be kind of intentional. The latest and best iPhone really is too much phone. And this is coming from a guy who went from the X to the XS. Really the XR is the phone to get and the 11 is likely going to replace my XS (it starts a hand me down process in my family, if it was just me, I'd probably skip this year). The Pro's camera seems nice, but I think the 11 will be equally as good for most of the stuff I shoot.
They are leading us in the direction we should go, which is most of us should no longer buy the highest end iPhone.
I mean they say that and 12 did but the betas of 13 (which probably will ship at 13.1) certainly haven’t made my old devices better. I’m at the final year of updates to both my phone and iPad. I’ll likely use them for two years after that and leave the Apple ecosystem. I already abandoned the Appletv because the price for what you get is obscene.
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So who should then
I’m a semi pro photographer (it’s part of my income and I don’t want to ruin my passion by shooting crap events I hate attending) so the camera isn’t a big deal for me. I carry a so y rx100 series camera and the iPhone can’t touch that. However I could use the processing power when offloading photos. And for he iPad Pro too.
with instagram and YouTube creators doing a lot of stuff on the fly surely that’s their market - these people are young.
So if only xx % of the world should care about the higher end stuff. Who comprises that percentage?
also can I say about the cameras. Not at all the three focal lengths most photographers would choose. I’d imagine it’s based around micro technology not photography needs. 13 could be useful in the right rig I guess. The other two. A semi wide and a flat normal.
also. Want to wow me. Put 20 mp in there so we can print at a decent size.
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Yeah that's a bummer but there was no way they were putting USB-C on the phones this year. They'll use an all new phone design to push that agenda. And then keep lightning around on other devices for a few more years. I can even see Pro models getting USB-C.. and the standard device still on lightning. Unless Apple goes back to just 2 devices next year... can't see it happening though.
Uh, where did I say a bigger battery is innovative? I said the hundreds of voltage domains in the processor was innovative.
I think not many. Wouldn't be surprised if the 11 outsells the Pro and Pro Max combined by quite a bit. Though I suppose the Max size may be key for some.
Side note, I suspect the 11 will process as well as the Pro since the CPU/GPU is the same A13. If you aren't using the telephoto lense in the Pro, it might be exactly the same picture. Not sure about that. But 11 seems the way to go unless you are really really focused on the pictures taken from your phone.
Even the Apple Apologists have to admit this is lame.
When the rumours are better than the product you know it’s bad.
When the rumours are better than the product you know it’s bad.
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Normally I'd agree, but the wasted potential of the AppleTV and iPad have really soured me on that line of thinking. These two have shown that the 'wiz bang' apps are simply not coming.