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Size, weight and battery life aren't subjective in the slightest.

They are actually some of the most subjective aspects of a smartphone. The size is relative to a person's hand right? If you have huge hands, the SE would be very hard for your big thumbs to type on. Same goes for weight, some people have stronger muscles in the hand and will feel like an 120g phone is super light, while others might feel it's heavier. And battery life depends on usage. I can almost never deplete my X's battery life during a day because I'm not constantly on it, I don't play games or use the hotspot or watch Netflix, but there are ofc people who do use the more battery draining features.
 
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Much like your post.
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Correct. Unfortunately Apple requires developers to support every screen size, and does not provide a specific size class for the SE. When designing for screens that vary in size from 4 to 6.5 it is very difficult to deliver a good user experience without serious compromises. And I doubt many developers would spend the time on a specific size class for the SE given that only a fraction of iPhone users own that particular model.

You are mixing up form factor and screen size. I want a phone that I can comfortably operate with one hand. Include an edge-to-edge display and that phone would have the same screen size as an iPhone 7 or larger, while physically still being considerably smaller than the X(s), let alone the bulky Xr.
 
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I really need a new iPad this year so I hope for an October event.

Btw after seeing the prices across the board yesterday, I'm not so sure about that "low-cost Macbook's" price.
 
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Trying to get that return by selling a "premium" small screened phone at a high price would fail miserably in the market.

First of all, it needn’t be at “high price”. It should be at the right price for the features.
In any case, I wish someone actually tried. Where is the evidence that such a move wouldn’t work?

I don’t know how to say this anymore. It is not about the price (though a lower price is always welcome) it is all about the size of the phone.
 
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They already have one right now... it's called the iPhone 7 and it's their "new" budget phone. If you understand business at all then you must understand something called ROI (return on investment). There simply isn't enough ROI to engineer, design, market and manufacture a brand new small screened "budget" device. Trying to get that return by selling a "premium" small screened phone at a high price would fail miserably in the market.

The SE is dead. If you need a new budget phone the iPhone 7 (or 8 if you want a step-up) are your best options.

Well they need to revive it. Compact phones are still a thing for many individuals.
 
Rose gold! And three cores, because even though they had to put a quad core chip back in it because Intel stopped selling dual cores, they disabled a core because they hate you. But at least you can add a 4TB SSD for $3400.

You probably won’t be too far off with those specs. Watch, it will only work with Apple’s displays too.
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They already have one right now... it's called the iPhone 7 and it's their "new" budget phone. If you understand business at all then you must understand something called ROI (return on investment). There simply isn't enough ROI to engineer, design, market and manufacture a brand new small screened "budget" device. Trying to get that return by selling a "premium" small screened phone at a high price would fail miserably in the market.

The SE is dead. If you need a new budget phone the iPhone 7 (or 8 if you want a step-up) are your best options.

I don’t agree with you. Apple has not disclosed Sales figures of the current SE so your remarks are based on assumptions. I know a lot of people love the small form factor of the SE. Yes, most of them are women as it is obviously boys who want something big in their pants...
 
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They already have one right now... it's called the iPhone 7 and it's their "new" budget phone. If you understand business at all then you must understand something called ROI (return on investment). There simply isn't enough ROI to engineer, design, market and manufacture a brand new small screened "budget" device. Trying to get that return by selling a "premium" small screened phone at a high price would fail miserably in the market.

The SE is dead. If you need a new budget phone the iPhone 7 (or 8 if you want a step-up) are your best options.

there is also something as customers budget. I'm not spending 500€ on a three year old product. That's either a second hand phone or back to android for a 300€ smartphone. Which is not what I WANT to do, but if there is no other option, then it is the only thing I CAN do.

As I said on another forum, there was a time I could afford apple products. Not the top line, but the base line. A rMBP base model after a lot of saving, an SE, an ipad, a display, you know. You save a bit and you can have good quality NEW products with obvious trade offs. These days my salary has gone up and the strange thing is that I can't afford NEW apple products anymore. I can afford three or more year old products (how old is the MB-air and the mini? How old is the i7?) but there is no new product that is in a normal customers budget.

My dad bought a mini last year. he loves it. He was convinced to go for an SE. I spoke to him this morning and he asked me wath the keynote brought. So now he'll keep his android smartphone and I'm not sure he will renew his mini if it is only a "pro" model at a pro price. So how much ROI is that?

My best friend was planning to go for apple after using an ipad. He is looking forward to the mini in his budget and has an android smartphone in the 350€ budget which he can renew in 6 months. I'm not seeing him on board at these prices.

point is, people don't ask flagship models for budget prices. They know that it is a limited offering, but they are willing to accept that trade off if the price is right. But people are not buying years old products for a premium price if the competion is better priced and does what it needs to do. And I admit that apple is far superior over android. No doubt about it. But I had an android phone for over three years. It did it's job. It was not the best experience but it worked for what it was worth. That is zero ROI for apple, so maybe apple needs to do some better ROI for the base models to get as much people on board. there is a big market in the slight above average consumers who don't need flagships but don't want older products. Especially if you want to improve the services income.

just my two cents :D
 
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This is the saddest timeline.

While I like the updates from yesterday (and will be buying both the Watch and the XS), what I really really want is an upgraded Mac computer. Maybe I should have just bought the MacBook Pro this Summer. But I've always had a desktop at home until my 2011 iMac crashed this Spring.
 
considering apple make 90+% of their profit on ios devices i can see the writing on the wall for the mac

sad but inevitable

this 'event' made that pretty obvious
 
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Few people understand your eloquently stated post.

The SE is too niche now because the mass market wants large screens. Sure, there are SE diehards, but not enough to make the cost of the project worth the effort. Apple has all the data and the fact it’s not here confirms it isn’t needed.

I still think it might make a comeback in March.

That’s not eloquent. The complaint was that there’s not a modern, small phone, and your reply is essentially, “you can’t complain that Apple has moved away from small phones because the market has moved away from small phones.”

While it may be true that the market has moved to bigger phones, that doesn’t mean people can’t complain about that very fact.

As for your claim that Apple has all the data they need, you’re implying that Apple is infallible and that if they did something, it’s because that’s exactly what the market demands. By that logic, the market no longer demands updated computers with decent graphics chips and working keyboards. I’ve been a loyal Apple user for decades, but I’m not afraid to admit that sometimes they screw up.
 
Tim always seems to say that Apple is deeply devoted to all of Apple's products, but he only seems to be focused on the iPhone and Watch (which are great products). But please stop lying to us customers. Stop getting your direction from shared holders, and do what Steve Jobs did and get direction from customers.

His job is LITERALLY tied to the shareholders needs and wants. Not yours.
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AirPods are 2 years old. I want them but i'm not buying 2 year old tech at this point. I'll continue with wired until they update them.

So you don’t want 2 year old tech (AirPods) so you will continue to use 60 year old tech (headphone jack)?

That makes sense
 
They already have one right now... it's called the iPhone 7 and it's their "new" budget phone. If you understand business at all then you must understand something called ROI (return on investment). There simply isn't enough ROI to engineer, design, market and manufacture a brand new small screened "budget" device. Trying to get that return by selling a "premium" small screened phone at a high price would fail miserably in the market.

The SE is dead. If you need a new budget phone the iPhone 7 (or 8 if you want a step-up) are your best options.

I’d pay $1k for an iPhone SE2. But I don’t want it to be a budget device, I want an X style phone in a small form factor.
 
I think I said go with an 8 if you want a step-up from the 7. The SE is as dead in the Apple world as the headphone jack. The only thing I can see happening within the next 6 months or so is a price drop on the 4.7" iPhone 7 to bring it closer to what the SE was selling for at the end.

Its not about the price... Its about the form factor. I use my phone for sending texts, making phone calls and the occasional email. Everything else I have a computer for. I don't what to have to carry around a massive device all the time. For me the main thing is running, its much nicer having a small phone and Apple did away with the iPod Shuffle and Clip Nano that were the most useful.

If they released an amazing 4" phone that cost $600+ I would buy it. Price is no object, I just want the form factor.
 
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