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They need a moniker to distinguish themselves. What it is doesn't matter, and 'magic' is amusing. Nothing particularly offensive, so who cares.

Their naming scheme has been hugely successful, so you can't blame them being reluctant to fix what is not broken.
 
I'm already in the "why am I supposed to look at my keyboard" camp, and this makes me even less excited.

If you're a touch typist, you're too much of a power user for the current generation of Apple user.

The mythological "most people" don't know how to type, they just hunt and peck while staring at the 2 fingers they use.
 
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that then raises the question of how long after you stop typing before it reverts from context sensitive to normal features, to let you change brightness volume control switch spaces etc which is what I normally use the F keys for

Could get really aggravating constantly having to wait for a timed revert (or switching app focus or pressing one end of the strip etc) to switch from context sensitive to normal features if you're in habit of making heavy use of some F keys
There's a lot of space up there. It's entirely possible that they'll be able to have controls for volume and brightness and a few function keys in addition to something contextual like predictive text. Also, I'm betting application specific functionality and contextual buttons will be configurable. You'll probably be able to turn them all off if you want and just lock in a standard layout with everything you want.
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Will the magic bar become an email/messages ticker-tape? That would make it somewhat useful.
I want a scrolling news story feed that you can tap on to load the story up in Safari. If they open the thing up for 3rd party apps, I'm sure all of that will happen.
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oh you mean magic, as in the magically unergonomic magic mouse ?

If this OLED thing is indead a real thing, what would be good is if the dock could actually be displayed in it instead of having it either using permanent screen estate or having to auto-hide it...
Oooh, hadn't thought of that but I want it as at least an option now.
 
There's a lot of space up there. It's entirely possible that they'll be able to have controls for volume and brightness and a few function keys in addition to something contextual like predictive text.

This is not a cell phone. Do you know what's faster than predictive text for entering data? A good solid keyboard. 50wpm is not very fast for a touch typist and it's not hard to get up to that speed. Do you really think it's faster to type half a word and touch the rest on a predictive list? Do you really think it's better for a non-typer to get used to that nonsense rather than typing properly?

Personally, I spend about 6 hours a day typing and type around 90wpm, often with my eyes closed in a semi-relaxed state. One thing I'm never going to buy is a computer with a crappy keyboard.

That said the function keys or touchbar is a complete non-issue to me one way or the other because I really don't use the function keys often. Going to the flat keyboard from the rMB is a dealbreaker for me.

Also, I'm betting application specific functionality and contextual buttons will be configurable.

Yep, and what percentage of keyboards will have the magic touchbar over the next few years to encourage app devs to spend the effort on special functionality for it?

You'll probably be able to turn them all off if you want and just lock in a standard layout with everything you want.

Everything I want is tactile keys with good travel

I want a scrolling news story feed that you can tap on to load the story up in Safari. If they open the thing up for 3rd party apps, I'm sure all of that will happen.

Have you considered a Galaxy s7 edge sitting on the desk next to your computer? The scrolling news feed on the always-on display is pretty impressive.
 
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Let me know when they release a notebook with a "magic" touchscreen. Competition is light years ahead of them on that.
If the "magic" touchscreen is running iOS, I'm totally with you on that. Undock it from the keyboard and it's an iPad. Dock it with the keyboard and it's a monitor for a laptop running macOS (and the touchscreen is disabled). That's the convertible device I want.
 
If the "magic" touchscreen is running iOS, I'm totally with you on that. Undock it from the keyboard and it's an iPad. Dock it with the keyboard and it's a monitor for a laptop running macOS (and the touchscreen is disabled). That's the convertible device I want.

How is that any differet than an iPad and a MBP synced on iCloud and using convergence? Just "dock" your iPad by putting it back in your bag when you pull out the MBP.
 
If you're a touch typist, you're too much of a power user for the current generation of Apple user.

The mythological "most people" don't know how to type, they just hunt and peck while staring at the 2 fingers they use.
Well that's a little dismissive. I type between 75 and 80 wpm depending on the day, and I don't touch-type any of my function keys. So this OLED bar won't affect my typing speeds at all.
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How is that any differet than an iPad and a MBP synced on iCloud and using convergence? Just "dock" your iPad by putting it back in your bag when you pull out the MBP.
It's basically a cost thing. I'd hope that the cost of that device would be less than just "MacBook Pro + iPad Pro" since they don't have to include two monitors in the mix. But yeah, it's not that different. Which is one of the reasons I don't really whine about it not existing and why the crop of convertible windows devices doesn't interest me.
 
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Good. Get rid of that Menu bar on the screen and make it something you can press on the keyboard. You press 'File' and then the bar changes to the show the options associated with the file menu. You swipe backwards, click 'Edit' and then you get the options for that menu. Much more natural.
 
Well that's a little dismissive. I type between 75 and 80 wpm depending on the day, and I don't touch-type any of my function keys. So this OLED bar won't affect my typing speeds at all.

I did say in my post you just replied to that the magic touch bar is a non-issue to me one way or the other because I barely use function keys. It certainly isn't a drawback if they add it.

So, as a fast typist, do you really think having predictive text on a secondary touch display makes any sense at all when you've got a good keyboard?

It's basically a cost thing. I'd hope that the cost of that device would be less than just "MacBook Pro + iPad Pro" since they don't have to include two monitors in the mix. But yeah, it's not that different. Which is one of the reasons I don't really whine about it not existing and why the crop of convertible windows devices doesn't interest me.

I doubt it would be cheaper if it came from Apple. How much of the cost of parts in an iPad and MBP does one screen account for? And you'd have some extra cost on both devices in docking bits. Plus a bit of extra markup for a new magic feature.
 
I wonder if the 'Magic Toolbar' will be able to make the missing ports appear 'as if by magic' before your very eyes. Now that would be something worth waiting for.
 
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My complaint would be if they make the rest of the keyboard ****** like the Macbook keyboard...

I take it that you are not a fan of the MacBook keyboard?
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The touch panel, coupled with the disgustingly-shallow keyboard, really comes across as a passive-aggressive attempt to make the laptop into an iPad without actually being an iPad. But maybe that's just me.

Do you use the keyboard on a daily basis and find it too shallow?
 
This is not a cell phone. Do you know what's faster than predictive text for entering data? A good solid keyboard. 50wpm is not very fast for a touch typist and it's not hard to get up to that speed. Do you really think it's faster to type half a word and touch the rest on a predictive list? Do you really think it's better for a non-typer to get used to that nonsense rather than typing properly?

Personally, I spend about 6 hours a day typing and type around 90wpm, often with my eyes closed in a semi-relaxed state. One thing I'm never going to buy is a computer with a crappy keyboard.

That said the function keys or touchbar is a complete non-issue to me one way or the other because I really don't use the function keys often. Going to the flat keyboard from the rMB is a dealbreaker for me.

Yep, and what percentage of keyboards will have the magic touchbar over the next few years to encourage app devs to spend the effort on special functionality for it?

Everything I want is tactile keys with good travel

Have you considered a Galaxy s7 edge sitting on the desk next to your computer? The scrolling news feed on the always-on display is pretty impressive.
Ooh, this is a lot to unpack! Okay, so first off, I don't consider myself an excellent touch-typist, but as I've said I average around 75 wpm, which is faster than you can get by pecking. So I do touch-type. And no, I don't think that having predictive text in a word processor would make me faster. But it might make some people faster, so I can see the appeal for those folks. Which I why I said it would likely be configurable. I'd personally turn it off.

The fact is that if you don't have a reason to spend hours a day typing (which we both do, apparently), then you'll never actually get any faster. Like any skill, it takes practice. And like most skills, if you don't have a reason to learn it, it's probably not worth your time (part of the reason I am terrible at, say, basketball). So, if someone doesn't type regularly and can't touch-type and would benefit from some predictive text... well, why not?

And I doubt that would be a per-app sort of setting. If predictive text exists in a future release of macOS, it'll be handled by Apple's default text entry schema, just like spell checking and replacement. So a system-wide setting, unless the app overrides it. In fact, I'm skeptical that any 3rd party apps will have access to that bar in the near future. It would be nice, like I said, but I doubt it'll happen.

I'm with you on not having any idea where the function keys sit by muscle memory, I just don't use them often enough for that. So replacing them with a touch bar for me is a non-issue as well.

But I love the nMB keyboard. I type much faster when there's less key travel. I've actually hit 87wpm on that keyboard, but that was a single datapoint, so I'd need to try it a few more times to get a reliable average. But considering the fastest I'd managed up to that point was 80 (maybe 81, I can't recall exactly), it's a non-trivial improvement.

And uh... sure, I'll give the S7 a try just as soon as it's not running Samsung's bloated take on Android.
 
I want all new Macs to have a built in A-series processor for running iOS apps alongside macOS apps, which would continue to use the Intel processor. And a V-series chip for hardware voice recognition and synthesis to drastically improve Siri over the competition.
 
I use the top/function row by touch. I wonder how losing that tactile button will affect that...I'll keep an open mind, but I have a feeling I'll lose some precision and productivity. :(

If they did it right, they'd use their Taptic Engine to give tactile feedback as virtual buttons are pressed. But *nothing* is more useful to me than the beloved `Esc` key, so it will be interested to see how that feature is retained with this new implementation.
 
I doubt it would be cheaper if it came from Apple. How much of the cost of parts in an iPad and MBP does one screen account for? And you'd have some extra cost on both devices in docking bits. Plus a bit of extra markup for a new magic feature.
I'd still be willing to bet that it's be a few hundred dollars cheaper. We'll probably never get to find out, though, since Apple will probably never release such a thing.
 
I did say in my post you just replied to that the magic touch bar is a non-issue to me one way or the other because I barely use function keys. It certainly isn't a drawback if they add it.

So, as a fast typist, do you really think having predictive text on a secondary touch display makes any sense at all when you've got a good keyboard?



I doubt it would be cheaper if it came from Apple. How much of the cost of parts in an iPad and MBP does one screen account for? And you'd have some extra cost on both devices in docking bits. Plus a bit of extra markup for a new magic feature.

I'm with you on the touch-bar thingy. it ultimately doesn't matter. its a nifty little gimmick that could have some nice features. as long as there's a way to reproduce the functionality of the Function keys via the display, wont make much a difference to me

But OMG DON"T SCREW UP THE KEYBOARD. as a touch typist who can type about 100wpm, DON'T **** WITH THE DAMN KEYBOARD! after trying out the keyboard on the MacBook, if that same keyboard gets into any other apple laptop, i will never, EVER buy one again.

even on their current keyboards I don't type my fastest. I can hit roughtly 80wpm on the MacBook Air. about 100wpm on a standard rubber dome keyboard, and with a good mechanical keyboard I have hit up to 120wpm.
 
I wonder if this means an update on the Magic Keyboard? With OLED? Possibly matte black aluminum with OLED Magic Toolbar?
 
That's gonna happen. You may not like it but Apple believes that the keyboard they put in the new MacBook is the way to go and they're almost certainly going to go that direction with the new one.

People hate every new keyboard Apple comes along with and have since the beginning. Then they get use to it, love it, and when they change to a new one some people cry. The cycle repeats itself again.

But I've worked on it extensively and there is no getting use to it. Going thin has gone too far. We have touch on iOS but you NEED decent keys to get any work done on a Mac/PC.
 
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It;s funny what Siri replied regarding the event on 27th of October.
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But OMG DON"T SCREW UP THE KEYBOARD. as a touch typist who can type about 100wpm, DON'T **** WITH THE DAMN KEYBOARD! after trying out the keyboard on the MacBook, if that same keyboard gets into any other apple laptop, i will never, EVER buy one again.

even on their current keyboards I don't type my fastest. I can hit roughtly 80wpm on the MacBook Air. about 100wpm on a standard rubber dome keyboard, and with a good mechanical keyboard I have hit up to 120wpm.
I get keyboard preference, I really do (though mine seems to run exactly opposite to yours :D), but your comment made me wonder if you were serious or being a bit hyperbolic. Do you own an Apple laptop now? Because if you do, it sounds like you are willing to settle for a sub-optimal keyboard experience already in favor of (insert whatever your reasoning was for buying an Apple laptop), and there's a change that reasoning still applies despite the keyboard.

If you don't, then obviously I'm just reading too much into it. I was just wondering.
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If you type, like, 20 words per minute, then yes, maybe :D Completely unusable for a touch typist.
I'm hoping I can configure it for something unrelated if predictive text is an option.
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How can anyone be? Typing on it is just terrible.
I'm beginning to think I may be the only writer on this site that likes that keyboard. :D
 
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