I'm already in the "why am I supposed to look at my keyboard" camp, and this makes me even less excited.
There's a lot of space up there. It's entirely possible that they'll be able to have controls for volume and brightness and a few function keys in addition to something contextual like predictive text. Also, I'm betting application specific functionality and contextual buttons will be configurable. You'll probably be able to turn them all off if you want and just lock in a standard layout with everything you want.that then raises the question of how long after you stop typing before it reverts from context sensitive to normal features, to let you change brightness volume control switch spaces etc which is what I normally use the F keys for
Could get really aggravating constantly having to wait for a timed revert (or switching app focus or pressing one end of the strip etc) to switch from context sensitive to normal features if you're in habit of making heavy use of some F keys
I want a scrolling news story feed that you can tap on to load the story up in Safari. If they open the thing up for 3rd party apps, I'm sure all of that will happen.Will the magic bar become an email/messages ticker-tape? That would make it somewhat useful.
Oooh, hadn't thought of that but I want it as at least an option now.oh you mean magic, as in the magically unergonomic magic mouse ?
If this OLED thing is indead a real thing, what would be good is if the dock could actually be displayed in it instead of having it either using permanent screen estate or having to auto-hide it...
There's a lot of space up there. It's entirely possible that they'll be able to have controls for volume and brightness and a few function keys in addition to something contextual like predictive text.
Also, I'm betting application specific functionality and contextual buttons will be configurable.
You'll probably be able to turn them all off if you want and just lock in a standard layout with everything you want.
I want a scrolling news story feed that you can tap on to load the story up in Safari. If they open the thing up for 3rd party apps, I'm sure all of that will happen.
If the "magic" touchscreen is running iOS, I'm totally with you on that. Undock it from the keyboard and it's an iPad. Dock it with the keyboard and it's a monitor for a laptop running macOS (and the touchscreen is disabled). That's the convertible device I want.Let me know when they release a notebook with a "magic" touchscreen. Competition is light years ahead of them on that.
If the "magic" touchscreen is running iOS, I'm totally with you on that. Undock it from the keyboard and it's an iPad. Dock it with the keyboard and it's a monitor for a laptop running macOS (and the touchscreen is disabled). That's the convertible device I want.
Well that's a little dismissive. I type between 75 and 80 wpm depending on the day, and I don't touch-type any of my function keys. So this OLED bar won't affect my typing speeds at all.If you're a touch typist, you're too much of a power user for the current generation of Apple user.
The mythological "most people" don't know how to type, they just hunt and peck while staring at the 2 fingers they use.
It's basically a cost thing. I'd hope that the cost of that device would be less than just "MacBook Pro + iPad Pro" since they don't have to include two monitors in the mix. But yeah, it's not that different. Which is one of the reasons I don't really whine about it not existing and why the crop of convertible windows devices doesn't interest me.How is that any differet than an iPad and a MBP synced on iCloud and using convergence? Just "dock" your iPad by putting it back in your bag when you pull out the MBP.
Well that's a little dismissive. I type between 75 and 80 wpm depending on the day, and I don't touch-type any of my function keys. So this OLED bar won't affect my typing speeds at all.
It's basically a cost thing. I'd hope that the cost of that device would be less than just "MacBook Pro + iPad Pro" since they don't have to include two monitors in the mix. But yeah, it's not that different. Which is one of the reasons I don't really whine about it not existing and why the crop of convertible windows devices doesn't interest me.
My complaint would be if they make the rest of the keyboard ****** like the Macbook keyboard...
The touch panel, coupled with the disgustingly-shallow keyboard, really comes across as a passive-aggressive attempt to make the laptop into an iPad without actually being an iPad. But maybe that's just me.
Ooh, this is a lot to unpack! Okay, so first off, I don't consider myself an excellent touch-typist, but as I've said I average around 75 wpm, which is faster than you can get by pecking. So I do touch-type. And no, I don't think that having predictive text in a word processor would make me faster. But it might make some people faster, so I can see the appeal for those folks. Which I why I said it would likely be configurable. I'd personally turn it off.This is not a cell phone. Do you know what's faster than predictive text for entering data? A good solid keyboard. 50wpm is not very fast for a touch typist and it's not hard to get up to that speed. Do you really think it's faster to type half a word and touch the rest on a predictive list? Do you really think it's better for a non-typer to get used to that nonsense rather than typing properly?
Personally, I spend about 6 hours a day typing and type around 90wpm, often with my eyes closed in a semi-relaxed state. One thing I'm never going to buy is a computer with a crappy keyboard.
That said the function keys or touchbar is a complete non-issue to me one way or the other because I really don't use the function keys often. Going to the flat keyboard from the rMB is a dealbreaker for me.
Yep, and what percentage of keyboards will have the magic touchbar over the next few years to encourage app devs to spend the effort on special functionality for it?
Everything I want is tactile keys with good travel
Have you considered a Galaxy s7 edge sitting on the desk next to your computer? The scrolling news feed on the always-on display is pretty impressive.
I use the top/function row by touch. I wonder how losing that tactile button will affect that...I'll keep an open mind, but I have a feeling I'll lose some precision and productivity. 🙁
I'd still be willing to bet that it's be a few hundred dollars cheaper. We'll probably never get to find out, though, since Apple will probably never release such a thing.I doubt it would be cheaper if it came from Apple. How much of the cost of parts in an iPad and MBP does one screen account for? And you'd have some extra cost on both devices in docking bits. Plus a bit of extra markup for a new magic feature.
I did say in my post you just replied to that the magic touch bar is a non-issue to me one way or the other because I barely use function keys. It certainly isn't a drawback if they add it.
So, as a fast typist, do you really think having predictive text on a secondary touch display makes any sense at all when you've got a good keyboard?
I doubt it would be cheaper if it came from Apple. How much of the cost of parts in an iPad and MBP does one screen account for? And you'd have some extra cost on both devices in docking bits. Plus a bit of extra markup for a new magic feature.
I wonder can this "magic toolbar" be used in word processing software like word etc. for predictive text. The different options would appear across the bar as you type. That would be very handy in my opinion.
I take it that you are not a fan of the MacBook keyboard?
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Do you use the keyboard on a daily basis and find it too shallow?
That's gonna happen. You may not like it but Apple believes that the keyboard they put in the new MacBook is the way to go and they're almost certainly going to go that direction with the new one.
People hate every new keyboard Apple comes along with and have since the beginning. Then they get use to it, love it, and when they change to a new one some people cry. The cycle repeats itself again.
I get keyboard preference, I really do (though mine seems to run exactly opposite to yours 😀), but your comment made me wonder if you were serious or being a bit hyperbolic. Do you own an Apple laptop now? Because if you do, it sounds like you are willing to settle for a sub-optimal keyboard experience already in favor of (insert whatever your reasoning was for buying an Apple laptop), and there's a change that reasoning still applies despite the keyboard.But OMG DON"T SCREW UP THE KEYBOARD. as a touch typist who can type about 100wpm, DON'T **** WITH THE DAMN KEYBOARD! after trying out the keyboard on the MacBook, if that same keyboard gets into any other apple laptop, i will never, EVER buy one again.
even on their current keyboards I don't type my fastest. I can hit roughtly 80wpm on the MacBook Air. about 100wpm on a standard rubber dome keyboard, and with a good mechanical keyboard I have hit up to 120wpm.
I'm hoping I can configure it for something unrelated if predictive text is an option.If you type, like, 20 words per minute, then yes, maybe 😀 Completely unusable for a touch typist.
I'm beginning to think I may be the only writer on this site that likes that keyboard. 😀How can anyone be? Typing on it is just terrible.