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new iMac!

I personally think that this years MWSF was a big success. I have a G4 400/AGP Graphics and I'm in the market for a new low-end G4/iMac and the new iMac is just what I was looking for. And the new low-end model has everything I'm gonna need in a machine and more. Can't wait to get my hands on that beauty.

And for everyone who was disappointed about the G5's not arriving/G4's not bumping up, I don't think you have much to worry about. Last MWNY they barely touched the iMacs and then at today's next Macworld the iMacs were improved 100%. Well today they didn't touch the G4's, so you definitely have something to look forward too in Japan.

And if you were mad that the high-end iMac now has more value then some G4's, why do you think that the high-end iMacs are not being sold for a couple of months. I'm sure there will either be a speedbump to the G4's or an announcemetnt about G5's before March 1.
 
well seybold seminar in NY is like february 19-22 and macworld tokyo is around march 21st I think. I really hope for g5's at one of these.
 
iMac + Cube = iGloo, er eh yea, iMac

They built an iGloo out of iced Cubes! All the R&D that went to create the cube mixed with the marketing genius of the iMac. iGloo
 
What a let down. Steve Jobs is the king of hype, and once again, I believed all the hullabaloo. I think the iMac looks neat-o, if you want something like that. But I make my living on a Mac, I dont just use it to e-mail pictures of the kids to Grandma, and I was expecting a LOT more from all the hype on the Apple site. iPod - neat-o. Again, great for the train ride to work, but could I please trade mine in for a PDA that actually works and is dependable on the Mac platform? I actually need a PDA, and my palm Pilot just ain't cutting it. Getting a sync is like playing the lottery, but the lottery has better odds.

Palm Pilot Developers: Hear this: you should be ashamed of yourselves for saying you "wholeheartedly" support the Mac. Three years down the road, and you finally develop a USB cradle... whoop de doo. How about REALLY supporting the Mac platform, and creating what we all paid for - a PDA you get a reliable sync out of? I'm tired of your crap.
 
I think a lot of you missed the point

I've read a lot of posts complaining about the fact that there were no new specs presented on the towers, but I don't see what the average computer user would do with all that power! What Apple really needs is to convert people over from their wintel systems. I can't say whether the new iMac is going to do that (although I hope it does), but it certainly a step in the right direction.

And, of course, the towers will (and have to be) completely updated at the next show. We'll see.

 
TechTV did a great job!

I thought TechTV coverage was great. They didn' t talk over any of the keynote and played the whole thing in its entirety. However, did any of you catch Silicon Spin after the keynote coverage? GOD! I wanted to beat the piss out of John C. Dvorak!!! What an ass! He basically bashed every single thing about the keynote. He claimed he was bored watching the demos, that the iPod was just a little hunk of plastic that isn' t compatible with windows, and the new iMac looks like some weird lamp. I had to turn the channel. I couln't take his Apple bashing. He was really pissing me off.

Personally, I love the new iMac, iPhoto and all the apps that were showcased. Apple is going where no PC has gone before!

ROCK ON!
 
I for one am glad that there were no powermac revisions. I got a dual 800 with cinematic dislpay a while back and it's still top of the line. whoot!

Hopefully my family will spring for the new iMac and a TiBook.

I think while Apple was sort of stupid to hype it up, this was a very good Macworld. The new iMac is an amazing value, and iPhoto simply rocks. I'm very content, mainly because this expo was almost tailored for my needs. Didn't want a powermac, I wanted cool software, and I got it. yay for me!
 
Skill-testing question ...

OK Group; I need someone to verify something for me...

I noted the VGA video out port on the back of the the iLamp. (Geez - ANOTHER non-standard port that will require an adapter for every monitor known to man!).

Everyhting I can find so far (on Apple's site and in their specs PDF) says that the video card (and that video out port) offers up to the box's max 1024x768 pixel/24-bit display and ' supports video mirroring ' (i.e.: both monitors show exactly the same thing, which is basically only useful for data projectors).

Is that their euphemistic way of saying that it does NOT support dual-monitor mode (i.e.: two monitors covering different parts of a larger virtual desktop, a much more useful mode available on all desktop Macs and Titanium PowerBooks?). I think that IS what they're saying, which, if true, is a bit of a drag, since 15"/1042x768 is pretty crowded for PhotoShop, Illustrator, Premiere, FCP3, etc. etc....

What do you think?
 
All iMacs ever had was Mirroring...

This was true for all the late model iMacs and iMac DVs. The VGA out on the back was basically just for mirroring your existing monitor.

 
Bear in mind......

The viewable area on a 15" LCD is substantially larger than the VA on a 15" CRT. The 15" display on my mother's computer has nearly the same VA as my 17" Princeton Graphics. I am anxiously awaiting seing on in person. The low end will make a dandy replacement for my G4 400 : )
 
Next Hype should be this...

Downplay. Most everyone gets all bent outta shape.

"They should have had G5's at 2Ghz"

C'mon, be reasonable. We all want that, but Where is Photoshop for OS X? Think of the what that's going to be like when they come out (possibly) at the same time. Perhaps Steve was waiting for Photoshop to really let it all hang out.

My 2 cents for marketing, tho would be. Downplay the next big release. Steve used to be big on the "Oh, and there's just one more thing..."

Wouldn't it be cool if there were no hype and he rolls up and says, "oh, check this out, we just released G5 1.2Ghz towers that rips through Photoshop X work. It's available today for $1699". Then let the media do their job and hype it AFTER it's out there.

Problem is, that would satisfy the power users, but the whole skinny on marketing is getting people talking. Guess what, all the rumor mills got people talking. Some like the new stuff, some don't but we're all still talking about it. Mission accomplished. Individual users are fickle, but together, love their strategy or not, we're all Mac users and I think Steve understands what we want pretty well, he's not going to discontinue the towers. We'll get the speed eventually. have patience.
 
Thats not true

Now could Apple have released new and faster towers today
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Thats so wrong what you say. It may be sounds ok for you but there is a fatal error in your calculation.

There is a hole industry waiting for the new towers. The towers are in my opinion only for professional use. What does a amature need a G5 mac??? Or a 22 Cinema display. Noting! Its for the designers, art directors, editors and who eles earns his daily life on it.

This macworlds was only a push for the normal consumer, like my mom or the neighbor next door how like to surf, play & burn music as well as send pictures.

So.... if Apple would have released today a G5, i bet a lot of pros would have loved to buy now. So now we have to wait one more month for the next show.


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Can this forum please split amatures from pros in their discussion...

 
Re: atomwork

"Can this forum please split amatures from pros in their discussion... "


Dude, chill a bit man! All of us are on the same team right, the Mac team. Any one of us may be a pro user in one area, but may be an amature in other areas. We all have an opinion, and that's what these discussions are about.

Sure, a Apollo G4 or G5 tower announcement would've been cool! I'm a user that uses my computers to make a living and provide for my family, but why can' t I be excited about the new iMac and consumer products too?
 
Maya on Dual 800

I am looking to buy a workstaiton for Maya and Final Cut Pro 3. I have previously worked on an SGI workstation and Quantel's Edit Box. This would be my first experience with a Mac and OS-X. What Graphics card are you using and does it display light sourcing and textues correctly? Also, is OS-X multi-threaded especially where rendering is concerned.
 
Expansion for What?

When I first bought my G4 I bought a tower for expansion. Granted I have a scsi card in it and two video cards. But currently, my scsi scanner is not supported by OS X, I dumped my two monitors for a Cinema Display and my current backup harddrive is a firewire iPod. I'm moving towards all firewire and USB devices. Right now the cube is looking good to me.

I always thought it would be cool if Apple built some type of CPU bridging technology into the cube which would allow users to connect multiple cubes together to create an array of multiple CPU machines.

I would love to see an advance cube replace the PC world tower once and for all.

I have to admit that the cube wasn't perfect, I did hate the toaster CD/DVD player, but I hate the fan on my G4 more.
 
re: the Cube

I have a Cube, and overall i'm down with it, it's fun for a home machine but would NOT use it at work. Just like the new iMac, it's just not expandable enough for professional use, and besides - asthetically, it's so beautiful, but that gets so lost in the endless array of cables & cords all over the desktop it's not worth it. But I just wouldn't get rid of my Cube at home, but not at work. Running a dual 450 and a 500 at work, and they are maxed out in RAM & very nice.
 
Maya workstation

saffron!!

did you see the Lucas film guy on the Keynote? or the FCP3 demo? it was awesome and it was on a Powerbook, so there was no PCI thingy inside. and you can do other stuff on your computer while it renders in real time! Have fun when you get a chance to try it.
 
er.. if it is rendering in real time then there would be no need to do other stuff on your computer as it wouldn't take any time to render, hence the term "real time". So you can add effects and just watch a preview without having to actually painstakingly render the effects.
 
Hmmmm.......

I don't wanna be cruel, but some of you guys sound like kids screaming because you didn't get what you wanted for christmas. A new blazing fast G5 1.8 Be all, end all tower is not gonna do one thing for Apple's marketshare. Guess what kid's, if Apple loses much more marketshare you won't get a G-anything. Steve Jobs will be hunting work and M$ will buy the Apple headquarters to turn it into a museum of companies M$ squashed out of business. I feel you're pain because I use my mac to pay the bills. But I do it on a G4 400 Sawtooth and don't complain. If you're dual 800 is just seeming to slow for you and you just can't wait for a faster one then buy another dual 800 and cluster them. I love the new iMac personally.

Signed,
Fuzzy Wuzzy
 
The more I look at it...the more I like it! I would have loved a 17-inch monitor option-

but I understand.

I would have loved to break the 1 gig line-

but I understand.

I would have loved a G5 with a new tower-

but I understand.

Something about Apple makes me understand!


I'll take 2

 
Re: The Science of Hype...

Originally posted by Timothy
There IS method to this madness! :)

There are 2 distinct markets that Apple has to deal with.

The Geeks
One of the markets is us...the geeks who pay attention everytime SJ sneezes. All Apple had to do to overhype us was to whisper that there will be a new release at this MW. We are all poised, watching, waiting, and anticipating. We love the hype. We seek after it. And when it's not there, we create it.

Everyone Else
The rest of the world does not pay much attention, at all, to the hype of the computer world. Apple could have released 3 ghz towers today, and outside of the geeks, no one would have paid attention. The success of the iMac (and Apple) is closely tied to catching the attention of Everyone Else. And, that was the reason for the "hype."

The Science of Hype
The level of hype that has had us up all night, chatting furiously on this site (btw, great site!), will barely make much of a notice in the real world, where it needs to be seen and heard. I guarantee that if I got on the phone right now and called my mom, she will not have any clue that Apple just released a new iMac. The Hype is needed to get above the din of everyday stuff, and to reach the target market for the iMac. It will take weeks before even a 10th of the "market" for the iMac is aware that it exists.

Face it, WE always want more. I am as guilty as anyone when it comes to feeding into and creating the hype. I GET the digital world, and anticipate what my future will be in such a world on a daily basis. Am I dissapointed? Yes. As I've mentioned (and will continue to lobby for) I want a NEWTON. This is only one in a series of Macworlds that hasn't delivered on my needs. But, I also recognize the REALITY of business.

The iMac Rox!
Even though I am not the target market for the iMac...I recognize that for ITS target, the iMac is a great computer. And, we need to help sell that to those of our associates who are not geeks, and who look to us to help them make their buying decision. I can in good faith recommend this computer to those of my friends and family who are not tech savvy, and who just want an incredible easy, intuitive, and beautiful computer to use.

Staying on Message
In the vortex of hype, we all tend to forget the fundamentals. Apple has shown that it understands how to package a message, stay true to that message, and still innovate at a dizzying rate. If you look over the past year, they have released some remarkable things. Sure, 6 months seems like an eternity to us, but in hindsight, and to the rest of the world, Apple has accomplished great things. And, they will continue to do so...

Now, let's start hyping the next event. I hear there's a rumor about a new Newton? :)

Happy Computing!
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Right on, brother!
 
how we earn our bucks with Macs.....

The tower debate rages on.....amateurs versus 'professionals' etc.

Its a spurious argument.

I earn my living on the Internet - I wont say exactly what we do..... I guess we are 'pros' - heres the list of machines:

5 x 350 mhz imacs (blueberry, I guess) 6 - 10 gig drives, 10/100 ethernet, most have 256 ram in 'em.

5 x G3 blue and whites, from 300 - 450, external scsi drives, raid setup, 256 ram.

1 (yes, just 1) G4 450, similar setup to the b and w's.

1 9600/300, couple ibm scsi drives in it, backup box.

1 IBM box, running windows for testing only. (when I get pissed with Apple, I switch it on for about 10 minutes and surf the net. Then I smile, switch it OFF, and go back to my office and look at the Mac OS with relief - thats the truth)

You think Apple is bad - run a Gates GUI special for just 10 mins.......and XP? Its crap. Serious crap.

oh, and 3 PC clones running Linux.

We run 4D, Webstar, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, BBedit, Eudora (EIMS), Office 2001, MYOB, Virtual PC, Lasso, Summary pro, Delrina Daily planner (great program, cheap and very old), I think thats about it - retrospect and copy agent too.

NEVER had a problem with any of them, except weird behaviour on the 300 G3. That early board had problems.

If we have the cash, we will buy two of the low end new LCD iMacs.

And when the new G5 comes out we will buy one or two. Probably one to start with and then another later.

The new iMacs are GREAT - they are going to keep the Billy Gates nightmare out of my life, by keeping Apple alive.

Thanks Steve, looking forward to NY and some new towers.

In the meantime all our older Macs are just humming away as usual.
 
Into page 9, but here's my tuppence (or should that be 2 cents worth with this new Euro) worth...

I'm the owner of a Tangerine iMac, Mac OS X/9.2, 266MHz, 160MB RAM, etc. etc. and was (I thought not unreasonably) looking forward to maybe getting one of the current model machines with a DVD drive (still DVD less!) at a reduced price to what they're charging for them now.

Ok, I did get caught up in the hype a bit but have to say Apple's contributions on their webpage didn't help, if they said nothing (in particular that comment "this is big, even by our standards") I prob. would have brushed over a lot of the hype and waited to see what was going to happen. That iWalk hoax (was that really made up by Apple??) and the talk about digital appliances turned out to be red herrings bigtime.

All in all I rate it to be one of the most disappointing Macworlds in a long while. LCD iMacs, everyone knew they were coming for the last 6 months to a year so the only surprise was going to be what they looked like. Slightly bigger screen iBook? Big deal! iPhoto? Ok, I didn't catch the keynote, but anything I've seen and read its just basically a photo cataloguer. Playing with someones graphite iMac a month or so ago it had a Kodak application bundled with it that did that already. Unless its got some very nifty editing tools I for one am unimpressed.

If Apple want to expand their consumer market share they really need to expand their range & have lower cost machines. The Apple range & PowerPC chips have pretty much stagnated.

At the very least they should have reduced the prices of their towers when you have iMacs better speced for the same price!!

Sorry about the length of this post, but I just don't think Apple really put in the effort for this one. Unless they're deliberately holding a lot back for Tokyo in March that's going to be the same story.
 
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