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Face ID Described as iPhone 8's 'Crown Jewel', Unlocking Device in 'A Few Hundred Milliseconds'
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They can use your fingerprint now.
Because I'm notified of something doesn't mean I need to react to it, people IRL notify me of things 8 hours a day my phone isn't more special than they are.
The only companies working on facial recognition in mobile are the companies that believe in having a home button on the front of their phone, Google isn't one of those companies.
If its really hundredths of milliseconds then its 4 orders of magnitude faster than a tenth of a second.
Many of the leaks we’ve seen so far suggest that the iPhone 8* has a longer power/wake/sleep button. I can’t imagine them doing this on a whim so assume it’s changed for a reason (some even thought this could be the new TouchID system). I am suspecting that you may have to press this button while using FaceID to unlock the phone and that it’s been made longer so that it’s easier to find and press it. This may also be required for Apple Pay.
* I don’t actually think Apple will call this year’s model iPhone8 - it’s time for a new naming convention and iPhone8 won’t work very well alongside iPhone 7/7s. In any case, what would they do next year if/when they release other phones alongside the iPhone9? iPhone 7.5?
* I don’t actually think Apple will call this year’s model iPhone8 - it’s time for a new naming convention and iPhone8 won’t work very well alongside iPhone 7/7s. In any case, what would they do next year if/when they release other phones alongside the iPhone9? iPhone 7.5?
If it doesn't know who's finger is touching the virtual home button that doesn't help. someone else could still touch the home button and use your face to unlock.
It sounds very much like Windows Hello face authentication (which also uses a 3d camera). I believe there were some windows phones that had it, but no-one noticed because no-one bought them 
The issue I see is that no matter how fast it is, TouchID can be effectively faster because you can unlock the phone before it's even out of your pocket.
Even so, it will be interesting to see Apple's take on this
The issue I see is that no matter how fast it is, TouchID can be effectively faster because you can unlock the phone before it's even out of your pocket.
Even so, it will be interesting to see Apple's take on this
Hope all of the folks that are so paranoid (seems like a whole bunch)--do not hit the buy button--I want this as soon as possible,--most fun of all is reading the "my phone left Hong Gong " threads.
Maybe FaceID is so quick that it can see it's you and so show you the lock screen with your notifications. One swipe and you're into your phone.
If I pick up your phone, I just see an empty lockscreen.
I do actually for 2 factor authentication. I just have to unlock the phone and press the big green check mark.
My only concern is someone unlocking your phone by pointing it at your face (sleeping is an example).
Shouldn't this be the norm though? Why would this be a problem?
Great point.
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I’m sure they would (or should). I would assume that just because I can’t think of it, doesn’t mean there wouldn’t be a way.
Why not just move to wireless? It seems like the rest of the smartphone industry is following suit as usual. This horrible decision has given them their highest selling device ever so I am not sure many would agree with you here.
I think you missed my point: it's not that people don't use their phones on a table/desk, it's that I doubt they use them at such an extreme angle (with regard to the user), that it would be out of the field of the camera - I mean, unless you're _under_ the table and reaching up and unlocking it without looking
What about identical twins ??
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I’m not buying it if Touch ID is gone
This is probably one of the biggest reasons why, in iOS 11, Apple added a way for users to quickly lock their phones to require a passcode to unlock. If you press the power button in rapid succession 5 times or more, you HAVE to input the passcode to unlock the phone. If you try to unlock with your fingerprint, it buzzes and asks you to enter your passcode. This allows for users to quickly lock their phones if they're being asked to give them up for unlock (by law enforcement, thieves, etc.).
There may be another element to the face unlock that we don't know yet that would prevent malicious unlock by someone else. Remember, almost everything that usually gets leaked is hardware-related. Software leaks are much more rare, given that Apple has the software locked away in its own facilities (as opposed to hardware, where they need to depend on suppliers and manufacturers). It is possible Apple may not have a perfect solution to address the issues that arise with the transition to face unlock, but it's possible they do have some cool software touches that take these issues into account. We just have to wait for that keynote next month to find out for sure!
Didn't you know... everything Apple lacks is a gimmick until they add it (good to know OLED is now not a gimmick!). Common sense like copy & paste wasn't available for a few generations.
Ah, the continuous perpetuating of myths by some. It's taxing, I agree.
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You're deflecting. Please deal w/ the issue at hand. ;-)
Well I guess if a robber was gonna rob you He would beat the crap out of you for your pass or fingerprint or worse
Apple made a Tech Gamble with Touch ID under Glass that didn't pay off, or at least hasn't ... and their fallback, Facial Recognition, is now being touting as "the Crown Jewel" of the 8 ... Go Figure ! ... that's 100% marketing spin by Apple, leaking to selective Press contacts.
When you're in the music industry and that little headphone jack makes life so much easier, then yes, it's a huge deal. "We were right?" Haha, are you taking credit for Apple now? Also, meth is the best selling drug. Does that mean it's a good thing?!
"The ...scanner ... can deeply sense a user’s face in the millionths of a second. "
Millionths of seconds:
0.000005 s
"The next iPhone will ... [unlock] the phone in a few hundred milliseconds."
Few hundred milliseconds:
0.5 s
So that's a ballpark figure that only covers 6 orders of magnitude. Seems legit.
Also, I seriously hope we don't have to stare at our phones for half a second to unlock it because [insert rant here about not having flying cars, teleportation, or real hover boards in 2017].
Millionths of seconds:
0.000005 s
"The next iPhone will ... [unlock] the phone in a few hundred milliseconds."
Few hundred milliseconds:
0.5 s
So that's a ballpark figure that only covers 6 orders of magnitude. Seems legit.
Also, I seriously hope we don't have to stare at our phones for half a second to unlock it because [insert rant here about not having flying cars, teleportation, or real hover boards in 2017].
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That's totally insufficient. "Wait Mr. Thief/Officer I first have to press my power button 5 times before I hand over my phone to you...."
Law enforcement will shout at you "Sir just hand over your phone with only two fingers! If we see you do anything with your phone....!"
We know that law enforcement can't compel you to reveal a password/passcode, if they can force you to press your finger on TouchID is still unclear but deliberately locking your phone is something completely different.