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Because apple doesn't have 90+% of the smartphone market, like Microsoft did with the PC market
You had a choice with M$, I remember using other browsers. Where's my choice to use other App Stores?
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Microsoft were forcing 3rd party hardware vendors to install MS based software.

When you see Apple forcing Google or Samsung to install Apple apps on their hardware we can talk equivalence.

Until then...
Answered this elsewhere. lol iOS doesn't run on other systems. What a stupid argument you make.
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I think we missed each other on this one, I meant government intervention as in control rather that intervention to support, I full support an fair market but then letting market forces prevail, government should only intervene to ensure fairness for consumers and suppliers.
But, in a market where Apple went from zero to where they are today, that’s about as fair as it gets. You could even say that other phone makers had an unfair advantage (they could ONLY get Cingular to carry them with their requirements... remember this is the phone that made the ”actual” internet and unlimited data a thing?). Apple had an almost insurmountable task ahead of them and prevailed. Apple made products that people wanted and developers followed the people to iOS. You can’t both believe in a fair market and, at the same time, want to take the outcome of fair market forces alter them in a way that does NOT involve the same fair market forces.
 
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So, the CEO of one of the most privacy intrusive companies on earth is accusing one of the most privacy concio companies of “stifling innovation?”

Ah, then I don’t want your “innovations.” Will stick with Apple’s App Store, thank you very much.
 
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There was a time were Facebook was actually included with iOS. It was there ready to be set up inside the settings app. Glad to see that it was nuked not long after some updates.
 
Really don’t understand how the EU is so quiet on this. They r usually really picky with these kind of things
EU only butts in for protectionist purposes when one of the firms is European in some way. Otherwise Why would they care?
 
With regards to FB response to not waiving 30%, Article reads “Apple embarrassed by own greed, won’t allow Facebook to state facts”
 
If you were right, then it wouldn't be an issue, and we wouldn't be reading about it in MacRumors every day, and it wouldn't be under US senate review, and governments and companies and people all around the world wouldn't be blowing up about Apple's monopolistic practices.

At the end of the day, businesses only get to operate in our country according to the rules WE decide. WE-the-people vote in the government, who represent us and make the laws, including anti-monopolistic laws to protect us from being ripped off from monopolistic practices. So the definition of what defines a monopoly, is actually, ultimately, whatever we-the-people decide it is.

And right now, there is a massive debate and uproar about Apple's business practices, and whether or not they are monopolistic, and if and how they should be contained. Personally, I would be surprised if nothing changes, but I guess we will see.
This is mostly (although lately FAR from it) a tech forum , but i will address this political post as mods allow it and will carry on with on topic discussion.

Sadly , its no "WE decide" for a very long time , the senate is a business run by millionaires (over 50% are in fact a multi million government employees) , do they do what is right by the avg joe or they do what is right for their political agenda or personal gain ? money wins elections as evident from who is eventually is getting picked.

If Apple reduces the cost to 15% , would all of this go away (cutting the industry standard by 50%!) ? if that is the case i would say its a very simple "anti trust/monopoly" claim , if the issue at hand is the fact that Facebook and the rest just want full access to the device in a claim that it hurts innovation not being able to do what they want with it , then I believe its very obvious the real intention of their agenda , and its NOT the public interest ,lf you think otherwise i would be happy to hear why !

Dont be surprised when your son is installing a new porn App and is being charged 500$ for a private lapdance or he is gambling away in one of the MANY gambling apps that will soon be flowing into the 3rd party app store with no regulation , if thats what the ppl want to install , LET THEM /s

Developers are NOT the consumer friend as some folks here try to say , and its evident by the business practice of the companies that are suing Apple.

Facebook just made their Oculus platform (VR) a must have Facebook account to be able to use it , you cannot use the VR headset without a Facebook account (for old users it will be enforce in 2 years , for new ones it will start at october).

As you can clearly see Facebook does not care about the consumer choice (they give him none) , I can give you a similar run down why Epic does not care either , they do a good job trying to bundle the consumer into their war though.
 
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Apple resellers can’t even get 20% cut of retail price with bricks and mortar overheads, so their 30% seems really ****in rich
 
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Why? Why can't their be a choice? You can chose to download from the app store and pay an extra 30% for your in app purchases because you value apple protecting you or if you don't you can download it off a website and save 20-30%?

I this scenario nobody is forcing you to do either? You can choose supposed privacy and pay extra or you can choose to risk it and go direct and actually read the user agreement with Epic etc.

You're argument isn't valid if you can still do it through the app store.

Your arguments breaks down once you realize you as the consumer will have NO choice if that scenario of yours comes to realization , Facebook/Epic will just REMOVE their app from the Apple app store leaving you with no choice , Epic did it already in the PC market , you cannot download their App from the most popular store (Steam).
 
I have neither the time nor energy to list all the ways that Facebook are the absolute worst tech company operating in the US. Zuck should stay in his lane.

It’s no surprise that he says all this right as it becomes clear Safari in iOS 14 and Big Sur will restrict gross ad tracking practices his company currently exploits.
 
Well, I guess you shouldn't trust anyone then.

Well, Except for Apple. I guess we can 100% trust Apple, but ONLY Apple, our dear leader.

I'll take a greedy socially-conscious businessman over a stone-cold sociopath any day.
Both of them are both things: socially conscious sociopaths.
Being socially-conscious is good PR investment. Just a number in their spreadsheets.
 
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Your arguments breaks down once you realize you as the consumer will have NO choice if that scenario of yours comes to realization , Facebook/Epic will just REMOVE their app from the Apple app store leaving you with no choice , Epic did it already in the PC market , you cannot download their App from the most popular store (Steam).
To have a free market the market (you and me) need to have some freedom. If not buying from App Store and equivalents causes a problem, the market will flock back and pay the 30% extra. I call BS on the "developers benefit from a 30% Apple/Google/Microsoft tax" argument. We, the consumer and the developer, already paid for the hardware, let us do with it as we please.
 
To have a free market the market (you and me) need to have some freedom. If not buying from App Store and equivalents causes a problem, the market will flock back and pay the 30% extra. I call BS on the "developers benefit from a 30% Apple/Google/Microsoft tax" argument. We, the consumer and the developer, already paid for the hardware, let us do with it as we please.

Is the problem 30% or the problem is "its my HW let me do what i want with it" , because those 2 things are different topics , why are you bundling them together ?
How can the market flock back to the App store if everything is "opened" ? not sure you understand what will happen , can you download Fortnight from the steam store if you wanted to not use the Epic store even though its a FREE game ? do you think Facebook will let you download their App from any other store other then their own store/launcher ?

Again with the " We, the consumer and the developer, already paid for the hardware, let us do with it as we please. " Consumers are NOT in the same boat as the developer , the developers are being bound by apple to adhere to certain rules , a lot of them benefit the consumer and the user experience , let me ask you , if the tax is 15% instead of 30% (which is half of the industry standard) , will you be OK with the current situation , or do you want to push for developers controlled eco system , which is what will happen , developers will have all the power , and i dont think giving Facebook all the power would do the consumer any good.
 
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I’m very happy at how Apple maintain the walls of the garden.

Someone needs to show the judge how easy it is to cancel (for example) the New York Times when an in app purchase is used compared to the involved process when the same subscription is purchased outside the App Store

I also think Apple are using their 15-30% income quite generously
considering the discount gift cards that are available at retail. I’ve used these for over a decade to save 15% and more on everything from Netflix to iCloud (never once paid full price) and I bet none of the cost of that discount is taken from the 70-85% that Apple pays out to developers.

Seems to me that the retailer must still make a profit and Apple often probably wear no profit and perhaps wear a loss depending on how the cards are used.
 
I think it’s outrageous that Apple wouldn’t waive the 30% fee for Online Events, since they’re just taking that money from struggling small businesses. That being said, Zuckerberg criticizing literally any company for anything is beyond laughable. Facebook is the most immoral, greedy, invasive, petulant, criminal company in tech, and it all comes from the guy at the top.
Why doesn’t he just pay it out of his own pocket. It’s like saying Whole Foods should donate whatever food a charity wants to give away to whoever they want to give it. He does not get to decide how another company uses their resources.
 
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