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I disagree with this.

By making the app run in the background, (from what has been explained to me) it should be more likely to remain in active memory and thus will be less likely to need refreshing when switched back to. In this case, there is a perception of running faster, thus there is a higher likelihood of the user going back to the app more often, resulting in more page-views, thus more ad-views, thus greater monetization (if not now, then at some future point).

By assuming this is a bug, you are assuming that the 100+ coders didn't notice the decreased battery life (increased drain) nor did they notice the volume issues, and they also didn't get notification of the bugs effect from any of the reports on the internet.

I agree that Zuckerberg, Cook, or any of the others have no interest in what I do with my phone, or what you do with yours, on an individual level, however on an aggregate level, they have a great interest in what we do with our devices. I believe it is naive to think otherwise, as the fate of each of their companies likely hinge on battles being fought on these devices and over our mindspace.

DISCLAIMER: My opinion may be somewhat biased as I don't use social media much, mainly on principle - but also because I really don't care what my Aunt Mary had for dinner...

Sorry, I realize my comment was not entirely clear. There are most certainly monetary reasons for keeping the application running in active memory (as you stated). But, these reasons are for enhancing customer experience and are not for privacy invasion nor are they nefarious.

Everyone is bent out of shape because they see this as an attack on their privacy, which is entirely incorrect. If you read all the comments, the consensus is "I don't trust Facebook!", "They're exploiting me!", "Privacy invasion!". That is my point - that this functionality, intended or not, is NOT a privacy or data grab. If the intent was to enhance customer experience, I do believe the battery life issue is an unintended side effect (and, therefore, a bug).

Um no. Quite simply it's because they got caught. Prior to iOS 9, there was no way to see background usage and therefore no way the average user would have realized what was going on.

So you're saying that prior to iOS 9, there were no battery life issues? Is the issue a perception issue or a technical issue? You can't have it both ways.

If it's a perception issue - who cares? If it's a technical issue - then fix the bug (meaning either the API/OS changed or this is a new issue with an update to the Facebook app - either way it is a bug that was newly introduced).
 
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I've got the iPhone figured out but nothing I seem to do works on the iPad. Crazy how much battery facebook is using.
 

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Not at all. I'm not saying things cannot happen. I am saying that the conclusions being drawn by the journalists and commenters here are incorrect. The vector supposedly being used by Facebook in this case makes no sense. The implementation as described here, the results presented, and the comments made, gets Facebook absolutely no where and causes issues. The implementation described is monetarily worthless.

Every single sign here points to this being a bug. Nothing presented, demonstrated, or otherwise discussed even remotely suggests anything malicious, but you and others here start sharpening your axes because the word "Facebook" was uttered.

If you're so concerned about it, throw away your phone and go live in a cave. Otherwise, worry about the probabilities and think this completely through, because this issue was pure and simple a bug with zero malicious intent. Even the remotest application of logic explains everything, and the conclusion that Zuckerberg somehow cares about what you do on your phone is entirely and completely incorrect.

Shame on the commenters here and shame on the journalist that suggested otherwise.

I absolutely loved how Macrumors broke it down and examined it and didn't just post the story about it being a simple battery life fix... Examine that S**T as it seems a little off...

Yeah there is no reason at all that Facebook would want to keep it's app alive at all times with possible location, camera and audio permission... ???
 
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If you're that concerned, go live in a cave. Otherwise, you're not contributing anything to the conversation.

Actually I am as this post brought up the suspect simple bug argument and showed some other views so here I am expressing my opinion about that and arguing with someone that thinks the government is their holy saviour...
 
Yeah there is no reason at all that Facebook would want to keep it's app alive at all times with possible location, camera and audio permission... ???

The sooner you realize that the world is not some crime drama and all of this is in your head, the sooner you can stop focusing on yourself and start contributing to society. Sheesh, the only person that cares this much about you, is you. You are extremely low on everyone else's priority list.
 
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Actually I am as this post brought up the suspect simple bug argument and showed some other views so here I am expressing my opinion about that and arguing with someone that thinks the government is their holy saviour...

Wow, every one of your arguments has logical fallacies in it. I never said the government is my holy savior nor did I even imply that.

You're not expressing opinions from a logical and rational standpoint, you're arguing emotions which is worthless.
 
Not at all. I'm not saying things cannot happen. I am saying that the conclusions being drawn by the journalists and commenters here are incorrect. The vector supposedly being used by Facebook in this case makes no sense. The implementation as described here, the results presented, and the comments made, gets Facebook absolutely no where and causes issues. The implementation described is monetarily worthless.

Every single sign here points to this being a bug. Nothing presented, demonstrated, or otherwise discussed even remotely suggests anything malicious, but you and others here start sharpening your axes because the word "Facebook" was uttered.

If you're so concerned about it, throw away your phone and go live in a cave. Otherwise, worry about the probabilities and think this completely through, because this issue was pure and simple a bug with zero malicious intent. Even the remotest application of logic explains everything, and the conclusion that Zuckerberg somehow cares about what you do on your phone is entirely and completely incorrect.

Shame on the commenters here and shame on the journalist that suggested otherwise.

With all due respect, there is no chance that Facebook was abusing this background audio exploit by accident. This is a known exploit and at least one other app was forced to fix their app or face removal from the App Store because they abused the exact same exploit. It is ludicrous to suggest that an app with the development resources that the Facebook app has, had a "bug" that happened to perfectly align with and facilitate Facebook's interests in collecting data and feeding users constant updates.

What actually happened:
  1. Story comes out
  2. Apple tells Facebook that they have ~2 weeks to fix the app or get pulled.
  3. Facebook fixes the app.
  4. Facebook claims it was a bug, both companies save face.
Apple doesn't just pull apps outright for stuff like this, they give developers time to fix the app before moving to remove the app. Facebook would not have moved this fast if Apple wasn't threatening them with removal.
 
Wow, every one of your arguments has logical fallacies in it. I never said the government is my holy savior nor did I even imply that.

You're not expressing opinions from a logical and rational standpoint, you're arguing emotions which is worthless.

The sooner you realize that the world is not some crime drama and all of this is in your head, the sooner you can stop focusing on yourself and start contributing to society. Sheesh, the only person that cares this much about you, is you. You are extremely low on everyone else's priority list.

Go watch your mainstream news, take your pills and don't question anything... Everything is ok, just listen to what you are told...

There were many reasons before snowden to be suspect but he just brought it mainstream which makes my opinion very logical and rational. It's very logical and rational to question things... I get it though, I am supposed to be an emotionless zombie and just believe everything I am told, especially from multi-billon dollar companies with ties to the nsa...
 
HerrMann is shilling for big data. Nobody truly believes facebook is about "enhancing customer experience" get real.

Ugh, this is what is wrong with the world. No one wants to use their head anymore.

Let me pose it this way: what does Facebook get by "enhancing customer experience"? Well, it drives more users to their site, more often, which means more ad revenue and corporate profits. What is the purpose of every business? To maximize wealth return to the shareholders. Does "enhancing customer experience" increase return to the shareholders? Yes. Does using "big data" to enhance customer experience increase return to the shareholders? Absolutely.

Okay, so, my argument is sound. Growing Facebook helps the economy, those that work for it, those that invest in it, and those that use its services. Sounds to me like a win/win/win/win.

Now, your argument: "I'm shilling for big data". Does that help me? Nope, I'm not in that field. Does it help the economy? Certainly not - what am I going to do? I'm nothing. Does it help those that invest in me? Most certainly not - no one invests in me. Does it help people around me? Nope. Your argument is not off to a great start here.

Okay, so onto your next point (which, arguably, is more implied than directly stated) - what does big data do for Facebook if not to grow the company? Well, hmm, not really sure. Since the entire purpose of the business is to grow sustainably, grow profitability, and return wealth to shareholders, if big data isn't useful for those purposes, then what is it useful? Please, enlighten me.
 
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With all due respect, there is no chance that Facebook was abusing this background audio exploit by accident. This is a known exploit and at least one other app was forced to fix their app or face removal from the App Store because they abused the exact same exploit. It is ludicrous to suggest that an app with the development resources that the Facebook app has, had a "bug" that happened to perfectly align with and facilitate Facebook's interests in collecting data and feeding users constant updates.

What actually happened:
  1. Story comes out
  2. Apple tells Facebook that they have ~2 weeks to fix the app or get pulled.
  3. Facebook fixes the app.
  4. Facebook claims it was a bug, both companies save face.
Apple doesn't just pull apps outright for stuff like this, they give developers time to fix the app before moving to remove the app. Facebook would not have moved this fast if Apple wasn't threatening them with removal.

Thank you for your assessment of this! Someone with a brain!!
 
So you're saying that prior to iOS 9, there were no battery life issues? Is the issue a perception issue or a technical issue? You can't have it both ways.

If it's a perception issue - who cares? If it's a technical issue - then fix the bug (meaning either the API/OS changed or this is a new issue with an update to the Facebook app - either way it is a bug that was newly introduced).

Prior to iOS 9 people simply couldn't tell what apps were eating up their battery life in the background. Now they can see that the app that's responsible for killing their battery is Facebook.

The issue has existed for a long time, but only now that iOS 9 breaks down battery usage by on-screen and background can we prove that Facebook is the culprit.
 
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Go watch your mainstream news, take your pills and don't question anything... Everything is ok, just listen to what you are told...

There were many reasons before snowden to be suspect but he just brought it mainstream which makes my opinion very logical and rational. It's very logical and rational to question things... I get it though, I am supposed to be an emotionless zombie and just believe everything I am told, especially from multi-billon dollar companies with ties to the nsa...

Again, you have absolutely missed everything I have said. I never said to not question anything, these (again) are logical fallacies that you are using to misdirect the argument.

Question everything - that's great. But! Be careful you do not flip correlation and causation. It's very easy to and is the prime creator of conspiracy theories.
 
Prior to iOS 9 people simply couldn't tell what apps were eating up their battery life in the background. Now they can see that the app that's responsible for killing their battery is Facebook.

The issue has existed for a long time, but only now that iOS 9 breaks down battery usage by on-screen and background can we prove that Facebook is the culprit.

So, it's a perception issue? In that case, as I stated, it's worthless.
 
Ugh, this is what is wrong with the world. No one wants to use their head anymore.

Let me pose it this way: what does Facebook get by "enhancing customer experience"? Well, it drives more users to their site, more often, which means more ad revenue and corporate profits. What is the purpose of every business? To maximize wealth return to the shareholders. Does "enhancing customer experience" increase return to the shareholders? Yes. Does using "big data" to enhance customer experience increase return to the shareholders? Absolutely.

Okay, so, my argument is sound. Growing Facebook helps the economy, those that work for it, those that invest in it, and those that use its services. Sounds to me like a win/win/win/win.

Now, your argument: "I'm shilling for big data". Does that help me? Nope, I'm not in that field. Does it help the economy? Certainly not - what am I going to do? I'm nothing. Does it help those that invest in me? Most certainly not - no one invests in me. Does it help people around me? Nope. Your argument is not off to a great start here.

Okay, so onto your next point (which, arguably, is more implied than directly stated) - what does big data do for Facebook if not to grow the company? Well, hmm, not really sure. Since the entire purpose of the business is to grow sustainably, grow profitability, and return wealth to shareholders, if big data isn't useful for those purposes, then what is it useful? Please, enlighten me.


No what's wrong with this world is we have coporations along with government controlling the planet's agenda to their liking and they get away with it because of drones like yourself that think everything is ok and don't question them...
 
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No what's wrong with this world is we have coporations along with government controlling the planet's agenda to their liking and they get away with it because of drones like yourself that think everything is ok and don't question them...

It's okay. One day, you'll get out there into the world and understand what actually makes this world turn. Good luck.
 
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I guess having the App Update description as "Thanks for using Facebook! To make the app better for you, we bring you updates to the app store every 2 weeks..."
So basically we should read it as "Thanks for being the product to advertisers! We're not going to tell you what updates our App has in it or what secret feature we're experimenting with on you is, but thanks for being suckers and updating it every 2 weeks!"
 
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I guess having the App Update description as "Thanks for using Facebook! To make the app better for you, we bring you updates to the app store every 2 weeks..."
So basically we should read it as "Thanks for being the product to advertisers! We're not going to tell you what updates our App has in it or what secret feature we're experimenting with on you is, but thanks for being suckers and updating it every 2 weeks!"

Exactly, shadiness from top to bottom...
 
Facebook engineering manager Ari Grant said:
The second issue is with how we manage audio sessions. If you leave the Facebook app after watching a video, the audio session sometimes stays open as if the app was playing audio silently. This is similar to when you close a music app and want to keep listening to the music while you do other things, except in this case it was unintentional and nothing kept playing. The app isn't actually doing anything while awake in the background, but it does use more battery simply by being awake. Our fixes will solve this audio issue and remove background audio completely.

Facebook can't even come clean when they come clean! LOL
 
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Facebook can't even come clean when they come clean! LOL
Because most companies and people don't try to put some spin when they messed up? Basic reality as it has been for ages. Nothing really strange or nefarious about it.
 
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