Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube could not survive off a few dollars for an app. They either need sustained advertising revenue or they would need a monthly subscription fee forever to stay in business. I'm pretty sure the majority of the world would not want to pay every single month for all the different social media apps they use. Yes Apple's advertising identifier affords a little more privacy than say Facebook. But anytime you are tracked, there is no way, impossible, to maintain absolutely privacy. Apple is able to make $2B a year off targeted advertising. There is no way there is absolute privacy when you're talking about making billions of dollars off advertising.Not at all. Apple's 'advertising practices' are transparent and you can opt out... PLUS the advertising in Apps using Apple's adverting identifier is indeed private:
And if people weren't such cheapskates and would fork out a few dollars for an App, most developers wouldn't even need to include them.
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Facebook Says Apple's Upcoming Anti-Tracking Prompt is 'More About Profit Than Privacy' [Updated]
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You still don't understand what this popup is for.
This popup is purely for tracking you across apps and websites owned by other companies. If Facebook would give you personalized ads based on everything you do on the Facebook app then this popup wouldn't be popping up. (Like Apple does with it's ads in the App Store based on your App Store data).
The problem is that Facebook is tracking you in other apps and websites not owned by Facebook. The popup is for that tracking behaviour. The popup is not for personalized ads based on information you literally gave to the company. It's for information gathered by tracking you on other apps/websites and collecting your data at those applications/websites and sending it to Facebook to match it up with your profile.
Believe me, I see no value in Facebook or Twitter. I am in the minority. The vast majority of the world sees immense value in Facebook and Twitter. I'm sure the majority of the world would not want to see those two services disappear. People spend all day on social media, so they obviously see some value in it.
So the $2B a year Apple makes in targeted advertising it makes through only "privately" tracking its users in Apples apps. Apple is making billions in ad revenue through no tracking, but only targeted advertising? Is that what you are trying to sell?
Yes Apple is not on the level of tracking Facebook is. Apple doesn't need to do that to survive since they sell $1000 cell phones. But it's very hypocritical to say "Hey everybody, our tracking is ok but no other companies tracking is ok though. We are Apple, we are good so don't worry about the billions we make in tracking its ok. Worry about the billions other companies are making".
Well yeah, but don’t for a moment think Apple is doing this out of the goodness of their heart, I don’t think there is such thing as a selfless act, especially in business.
They certainly stand to profit from this, if not financially then at least in terms of company image, but honestly as far as I’m concerned if it benefits us at the same time then I’m in full agreement
Sounds to me like Facebook are just worried about how many times people will see this prompt and realise just how much privacy they don't have? Anything that highlights this has to be a good thing.
You make no sense at all... in another post you said that your mother and grandmother have no idea that they could go into setting and turn Apple ad tracking off - and now you say that people freely give away information on Facebook, Instagram and such ... you got to be kidding, right? 90+% of social media users have no clue about how they are being tracked...
Also, everything he (and you) said is absolute nonsense. No /s here, you're just completely out to lunch.
Fine, but that's not my problem. They are welcome to find new ways to make money. It's not my responsibility to shore up a corrupt and invasive business model.
Did you think about that before you posted it? Of course my grandma and I'm sure your grandma also have no idea to go into the settings on their iPhone and turn off Apple's targeted advertising. You're crazy when you say people don't realize social media tracks them. You can't be for real. You must be joking right? EVERYONE knows by now Facebook tracks you. People who live in the mountains in caves know that Facebook tracks you. Please stop trying to sell that nonsense.
Which they still can, as this is optional? As you say, people willing to do that, can... and people not willing, won't. You still have the freedom to give as much access to Facebook as you like. Good luck with that, but leave me out of it.
Yes you're right. Apple is angel. Apple is a savior. Apple doesn't do anything to make money. Apple only operates to do good in the world and help people out. The $2T apple has in the bank, thats just there for them to gave away in charity. Apple is not a business. Apple is a charity. You're right, I was wrong.
read the Apple privacy statement you are complaining about. Its been posted multiple times in this thread. Apple is bound by the same standard they hold third parties to.
$2B/year for advertising revenue really isn't much.
There's already 35B+ iOS app downloads this year.
The cost per installed app using Apple Search Ads is around 1$/install. Easy to get to $2B/year revenue.
Your iPhone wouldn't be showing this popup if Facebook wouldn't be tracking you on places it shouldn't.
Twitter for example has a lot of data on you and will not have this popup because it only uses your Twitter data to deliver personlized apps to you since it doesn't track you and collect data on you on places it shouldn't.
No, but according to you it is Facebook's responsibility to build and maintain a digital platform and allow you to use it for free. They can not make money unless its in a way that you agree with and give your blessing first. What was Facebook thinking? They should have consulted ComRadMac before making any business decisions. How dare they!
You have at least posted 50 responses in this thread - I think you’re the one who is joking.
Won’t waste time with your comments anymore
Oh really? So when you open up an apple app will you get the popup to allow or decline tracking. NOONONONONONOONO you will not. That popup will only come on third party apps. If you want to turn off Apple's tracking, you have to manually go into the settings and find the toggle to turn it off, which the vast majority of users will never do.
I think you missed the point of jz0309's post. Of course people know that Facebook tracks them, but I definitely agree with jz0309 that 90%+ of people have no idea exactly how they are being tracked or the sheer amount of personal information flowing to FB.
Wow, really? What other commonly-known things do you guarantee I don't know? Say, that Apple doesn't track me across sites? No wait, I do know that. Do you know that?
Apple doesn't have $2 trillion in the bank. That is the worth of all the apple shares combined. It is COMPLETELY different than cash on hand.
Apple sells hardware and software. Apple makes a commission off of app/music/store sales.
No one is saying they are without fault, but choosing between Apple and FB to guard your privacy is like looking for babysitters and choosing between the high school girl next door who you know for a fact got a "C" in Calculus and Jason Vorhees. There is "maybe not always paying attention" and there is "murderous serial killer." MAybe that is a tough choice for you. For most of us, it isn't that hard.
If Facebook was doing something they shouldn't be doing they would be banned from the Apple ecosystem. This is not about Facebook doing something wrong, this is about Apple giving consumers the choice. BUT, they will not apply that same choice to their apps. They don't want to give a popup on their apps, they want users to manually find the toggle in the settings. They know most people will never do that. $2B may not be a lot compared to the $2T Apple is worth. But it's still 2 billion reasons to not provide a popup on their own apps.