FaceID Fail?

[Kerber0s34]

For me it looks more cumbersome. Here in Canada I can use Apple Pay pretty much everywhere, so much so I'd forgotten my chip pin last time I had to use it. Its a nice quick fluid gesture to pull my phone from my pocket and as I do so I'm enabling TouchID with my thumb, tap it, and slid it back in my pocket. Now I've got to press the side button look at my phone and essentially take a selfie before I can tap it.

As a motorcyclist, I often use my phone on the road for navigation etc, so now I've got to remove my helmet just to check a message, map, etc and to pay for gas at the pump.

Overall it just seems more awkward having to hold it up to your face every time. Your fingers are already on the device, so that just makes the most sense to me.

 

[Smartass]

It took him four seconds just to unlock the phone. It takes a second with TouchID.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

Lots of complaints coming from people that haven't actually used it. People said Touch ID would suck and would take WAAAAAAY longer than a passcode and was garbage..... until they actually used it. People complained about AirPods falling out easily until they actually shipped and were shown to stay in very well and without issue.

I guarantee we will see all the competitors adding similar hardware to Apples on their phones to enhance their facial recognition.
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It was a fail in execution of the demo, but not necessarily in the feature itself. I think the phone might have been restarted, which prompted the passcode.

That's exactly the case. Just like Touch ID, you have to enter your passcode to enable it the first time after restart.

 

[Theophil1971]

It took him four seconds just to unlock the phone. It takes a second with TouchID.

It would've been the same issue with Touch ID. The screen clearly said,"enter passcode to enable face id"... so it wasn't an issue of face id not working or recognizing his face. It simply hadn't been enabled on that phone yet. Just an oversight by the presentation team. A Touch ID phone that hadn't been passcode enabled yet would've performed exactly the same.

 

[betabeta]

I just watch it again and man, why didn’t Craig just see that it was requesting passcode to enable FaceID....he should have said OK, the first time after a restart, just like TouchID you have to enter your passcode, but he actually made it seem worse, like it wasn’t working.

 

[willmtaylor]

I just watch it again and man, why didn’t Craig just see that it was requesting passcode to enable FaceID....he should have said OK, the first time after a restart, just like TouchID you have to enter your passcode, but he actually made it seem worse, like it wasn’t working.

Because he was thinking the same thing we all were: Oh man, this better work!

 

[hr10]

Does it work with sunglasses on?

 

[Zackmd1]

I invite all of you with Touch ID to purposely enter a wrong finger in a few times. The resulting message will be exactly what was seen on stage. That message is NOT the same message you get when you reboot the phone and have to enter your pin.

Face ID failed during the keynote. Whether it was a software glitch that can be fixed or a true test of the tech we do not know.

 

[jamesrick80]

I invite all of you with Touch ID to purposely enter a wrong finger in a few times. The resulting message will be exactly what was seen on stage. That message is NOT the same message you get when you reboot the phone and have to enter your pin.

Face ID failed during the keynote. Whether it was a software glitch that can be fixed or a true test of the tech we do not know.

Yep there is no denying this.

 

[AppleZombie]

I invite all of you with Touch ID to purposely enter a wrong finger in a few times. The resulting message will be exactly what was seen on stage. That message is NOT the same message you get when you reboot the phone and have to enter your pin.

Face ID failed during the keynote. Whether it was a software glitch that can be fixed or a true test of the tech we do not know.

Just tried it myself and you are 100% correct

 

[GreyOS]

I invite all of you with Touch ID to purposely enter a wrong finger in a few times. The resulting message will be exactly what was seen on stage. That message is NOT the same message you get when you reboot the phone and have to enter your pin.

Face ID failed during the keynote. Whether it was a software glitch that can be fixed or a true test of the tech we do not know.

Finally... thank you! The message after restarting explicitly references restarting. Which the keynote message did not have.

 

[deany]

FaceID wont be any good for unlock on a desk or table. I was expecting a 90 degree sensor. One of a few reasons why I'm passing.

 

[thadoggfather]

FaceID wont be any good for unlock on a desk or table. I was expecting a 90 degree sensor. One of a few reasons why I'm passing.
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Such an absurd promotional marketing pic

 

[deany]

Such an absurd promotional marketing pic

Bit scary, as a kid my brother just to do that with a flashlight, used to frighten the life out of me.

 

[Zackmd1]

Such an absurd promotional marketing pic

Very confusing to say the least. The impression I got from that pic was that the phone actually illuminates your face with visible light in order to unlock in low light situations. I would think that this is actually IR but the tech specs and all information I have been able to find so far are not clear on the subject.

 

[GreyOS]

FaceID wont be any good for unlock on a desk or table. I was expecting a 90 degree sensor. One of a few reasons why I'm passing.
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Such an absurd promotional marketing pic

exactly;not sure you can assume its operational angles from the marketing pic.

 

[danilko1]

I don’t think this was a FaceID fail, it was just someone had forgotten to enter the passcode for first tine use - turn your phone off and on and try touch ID and the same thing will happen.

I think this makes the most sense.

I would be concerned about sunglasses too. I don't wear sunglasses, especially with the iPhone, because it makes it more difficult to see the screen. However I do wear glasses. You may have to train face ID with glasses and no glasses on. While you are at it, train with sunglasses too.

With that said, about glasses, how does that reduce your 1,000,000:1 Face ID twin? Speaking of twins, they really didn't delve into that much at all, just passing a joke about it. With twins, your fingerprints will be different, even though your faces remain the same. So how about twins with sun glasses?

Passing on the Touch ID jokingly, using an alternative body part instead of your finger, for extra security.... With Face ID, you could stick your finger up your nose.

 

[miamialley]

What if I'm wearing sunglasses? I hope face ID is not as problematic as it could be.

 

[danilko1]

Finally... thank you! The message after restarting explicitly references restarting. Which the keynote message did not have.

Maybe a stage tech looked at the phone too much... Causing the situation. It's an inevitable situation if you are setting up and testing phones, etc. The backup, wasn't looked at at all, and it worked as expected.

 

[jsmith189]

I just watch it again and man, why didn’t Craig just see that it was requesting passcode to enable FaceID....he should have said OK, the first time after a restart, just like TouchID you have to enter your passcode, but he actually made it seem worse, like it wasn’t working.

Yeah, the feature didn't fail at all, but Craig's reaction made it seem like it did lol. I think he just had an "OH SH*T" moment and tried to cover it up. I'm sure that's their biggest fear as presenters.

 

[titrau]

Will Tim fire him just like Scott Forstal

 

[Shanghaichica]

I think it just shows that it's not perfect but I'm sure it will work most of the time. It has to anyway as it's the only method now. Apple are bit stupid.

 

[PeterRollback]

It actually wasn’t a fail. If you look closely, you’ll see that just like touchID, you have to enter your passcode first in order to activate it (after turning on the device). So he just had to put the code in first and then it would have allowed his face to be scanned.

 

[Vanilla35]

Things picky people should know:

1) Face ID will be a lot slower. My estimate is 1.2-1.5 second delay from when you attempt to unlock, vs 0.3-0.5 for Touch ID. There are two things at play here. One is that the screen has to literally turn on first, which by itself takes some time. Second is that the sensor needs to detect you looking and recognize you. As others have mentioned, Touch ID is so seamless because pressing the home button both turns on the display, and scans at the same time through the same single click action.

2) You can use Touch ID while not looking at the phone, which is huge. You may not think this is a big deal, but you probably will once you upgrade and lose Touch ID. I personally use my phone in the car when stopped at long intersections, and sometimes in a meeting at work, and other times on my desk at home or work, when the phone is outside of my "eyes" view (arms length away, etc). All these situations you would not effectively be able to use Face ID. Think about that.

 

[sguser]

Another point that against Face ID is that identical twins won't be able to use the feature. Or actually any of the twins will be able to unlock the phone. There is no such problem with Touch ID.